Re: Gymnasts, pervs, and the Olympics
LOL at this thread still continuing.
I had the exact same build as the gymnasts until I was about 23 - elite gymnasts did delay breast growth and periods for me too. But obviously I didn't think guys who were attracted to me were perverted.
I think the only thing that is perverted is a guy who KNOWS that a girl is 15 or 16 and still continues perving at her. But I dont expect much of most men.
Re: Gymnasts, pervs, and the Olympics
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Mr Hyde
Jasmine, you're wrong, no offense. Pedophiles are attracted to little kids. Every gymnast out there (except the horribly cheating Chinese) are 16 or older and they look it. Now, they're shorter with small chests, but to try to claim that it's pedophilic to think that 16 year old Shawn Johnson is good-looking...that's asinine. There is nothing pedophilic about finding a 16 year old girl attractive. You can't extrapolate every instance of finding an underage girl attractive into mass pedophilia...sorry...I know you're emotional about this, but on this argument, you're just wrong.
I love the way you assume you are intelligent enough to make this broad sweeping statement. Please read my statement about not thinking it is wrong to say "wow, she's cute." but thinking "wow, I want to do her" being a different matter. Also, aren't most of the gymnasts in the 14-16 yr old range? I think I was pretty clear about the 16 & 17 yr olds being a little different.
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jaizaine
LOL at this thread still continuing.
I had the exact same build as the gymnasts until I was about 23 - elite gymnasts did delay breast growth and periods for me too. But obviously I didn't think guys who were attracted to me were perverted.
I think the only thing that is perverted is a guy who KNOWS that a girl is 15 or 16 and still continues perving at her. But I dont expect much of most men.
This is what I'm talking about. There is a HUGE difference in a small stature, non-curvy adult and a child. Men are not so damn stupid they can't tell the difference....and if they are then natural selection should take over soon.
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Originally Posted by
jasmine
I love the way you assume you are intelligent enough to make this broad sweeping statement. Please read my statement about not thinking it is wrong to say "wow, she's cute." but thinking "wow, I want to do her" being a different matter. Also, aren't most of the gymnasts in the 14-16 yr old range? I think I was pretty clear about the 16 & 17 yr olds being a little different.
Again, no offense, but your questioning my intelligence when you don't know the legal age for Olympic gymnasts is a little much. By the rules, they HAVE to be 16...so every member of the US team is 16 or older.
Finding a 16 year old attractive is normal.
Acting on it is illegal and wrong, but claiming that a man finding a US olympic gymnast as attractive is 100% normal.
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Mr Hyde
Again, no offense, but your questioning my intelligence when you don't know the legal age for Olympic gymnasts is a little much. By the rules, they HAVE to be 16...so every member of the US team is 16 or older.
Finding a 16 year old attractive is normal.
Acting on it is illegal and wrong, but claiming that a man finding a US olympic gymnast as attractive is 100% normal.
Sorry, I read and only really watch TV when someone else has it on. I questioned your intelligence, because like everyone else in this thread you seemed to be saying the opposing side of the issue was completely wrong in every way. A very narrow minded point of view. Most everyone who disagreed with my points pretty much did the same thing. Ignored most of what I said and attacked a few very broad points.
If anyone bothered to read my posts my point was that it isn't always terrible to be attracted to someone who isn't yet 18, just that there must be some boundaries and singing la-di-da and ignoring the deviants who always go for the very young doesn't help the situation. Trying to convince yourself and those around you that it is ok because people "can't help it" also doesn't make it ok. Guys have sisters who are sexually mature, yet it isn't ok to be attracted to them. This is no different. If guys can control that then they can keep it zipped and keep the fantasizing and perving under control for 14-16 yr olds.
Sorry about being uninformed about the age thing. I haven't been keeping up with shit the way I normally do, I just got back from the wake and funeral services for my mom's identical twin. Yesterday, I was just listening to a woman bitch about the Chinese gymnasts really being 10-13 and I'm pretty sure she said they had to be at least 14. Wasn't important enough to look it up with everything going on and it never occured to me that she was wrong because they do look much younger.
The opposing side of this issue really confuses me. You guys remind me of listening to g-ma defend him. All the "You can't help who you are attracted to" stuff. There are always a few defenders that convince the general public it isn't so bad and enable the perverts to continue their reigns of terror.
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First of all, I never said anything about the gymnasts that were of age, Lexi. This is the 2nd time you have taken a post of mine completely out of context. I would expect better of a moderator.
if you go back to the beginning of this thread....someone posted a picture of the US gymnasts...of which, 2 are 20, 1 is 18, 1 is 17 and 2 were 16......
you said that they all looked like 8 yr olds and anyone who found them attractive was sick.....
so basically.....you WERE talking about gymnasts that were of age....
by the way, did you see the interview of the one U.S. gymnast in her street clothes(Sacramone)? She had nice tits:)
yes...she was 20
Re: Gymnasts, pervs, and the Olympics
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jasmine
BTW - This is something I hadn't really thought of much and therefore I may change my mind. There could be a shitload of holes in this theory...It's totally off the top of my head. Never thought about this topic much because I don't associate with men who have a preference for youngish girls.
It's not an easy topic. There is a whole big area where people are neither clearly children nor clearly adults. I think many societies and law makers struggle with it. Individually people's opinions vary a lot. There is just no way to come up with a simple rule that covers every case.
My sense of wrongness is sort of a big scale from extreme to ever decreasing degrees of concern as people's ages go up. Of course even a 20 or 30 or 40 something can be mentally not fully mature, have personality disorders, emotional illness, etc., which impairs their judgments, but that is life. It's complex.
Re: Gymnasts, pervs, and the Olympics
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TheSexKitten
When did this discussion turn toward pedophilia? These girls are sexually mature, and some are of age.
The topic diverged and expanded.
Re: Gymnasts, pervs, and the Olympics
Jasmine, it's kind of hard to take you seriously when you are so emotionally involved in this issue that you ignore facts and use hyperbole to make your arguments.
Sixteen has been the minimum age to compete since 1997, and the United States has complied. Yet you insist that the girls YOU saw were 14-16 and *maybe* a 17 year old and then back it up with "some lady told me so". I pretty much excuse myself from the conversation at that point because it's all about emotion and gossip.
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Dottie Rebel
Jasmine, it's kind of hard to take you seriously when you are so emotionally involved in this issue that you ignore facts and use hyperbole to make your arguments.
Sixteen has been the minimum age to compete since 1997, and the United States has complied. Yet you insist that the girls YOU saw were 14-16 and *maybe* a 17 year old and then back it up with "some lady told me so". I pretty much excuse myself from the conversation at that point because it's all about emotion and gossip.
Once again, I don't watch TV very much. I used to watch the gymnastics portion of the Olympics, but that was in High School. The conversation has changed and doesn't have a damn thing about the Olympics anymore. Now it seems to be about if it is appropriate for men to be attracted to young girls or appropriate for women to support men who are, so I fail to see how my lack of knowledge regarding sporting events has an effect.
Re: Gymnasts, pervs, and the Olympics
Jasmine, you are clearly very emotional about this. I'm assuming that you have some personal connection to this subject matter. It might be asking quite a lot to ask someone with that kind of connection to read more analytically than what you are doing. Like it doesn't mean that you aren't smart or don't know things, but this might just be a subject on which you can't really converse rationally if you feel you've been traumatized. But that is not the bulk of the conversation. There is some conversation about what factors attract men, and which of those are "natural"; there is some conversation about how different it is to look, to leer, to objectify and to touch; there is some conversation about managing pedophilia. It is nothing like what you think.
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jasmine
Once again, I don't watch TV very much. I used to watch the gymnastics portion of the Olympics, but that was in High School. The conversation has changed and doesn't have a damn thing about the Olympics anymore. Now it seems to be about if it is appropriate for men to be attracted to young girls or appropriate for women to support men who are, so I fail to see how my lack of knowledge regarding sporting events has an effect.