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Why the Democrats Will Lose...Again
It's sad that we are so apathetic to the real issues, and I think this piece has a hell of a point...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-m..._b_124772.html
We're Gonna Frickin' Lose this Thing
...Something is not right. We have a terrific candidate and a terrific VP candidate. We're coming off the worst eight years in our country's history. Six of those eight years the Congress, White House and even the Supreme Court were controlled by the Republicans and the last two years the R's have filibustered like tantrum throwing 4-year-olds, yet we're going to elect a Republican who voted with that leadership 90% of the time and a former sportscaster who wants to teach Adam and Eve as science? That's not odd as a difference of opinion, that's logically and mathematically queer.
It reminds me of playing blackjack (a losers game). You make all the right moves, play the right hands but basically the House always wins. I know what you're going to say " But I won twelve hundred dollars last year in Atlantic City!" Of course there are victories. The odds aren't tilted crazy, but there is a 51%-49% advantage. And in the long run, the house has to win. The house will win.
So what is this house advantage the Republicans have? It's the press. There is no more fourth estate. Wait, hold on...I'm not going down some esoteric path with theories on the deregulation of the media and corporate bias and CNN versus Fox...I mean it: there is no more functioning press in this country. And without a real press the corporate and religious Republicans can lie all they want and get away with it. And that's the 51% advantage...
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Originally Posted by
francescadubois
It's sad that we are so apathetic to the real issues, and I think this piece has a hell of a point...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-m..._b_124772.html
We're Gonna Frickin' Lose this Thing
...Something is not right. We have a terrific candidate and a terrific VP candidate. We're coming off the worst eight years in our country's history. Six of those eight years the Congress, White House and even the Supreme Court were controlled by the Republicans and the last two years the R's have filibustered like tantrum throwing 4-year-olds, yet we're going to elect a Republican who voted with that leadership 90% of the time and a former sportscaster who wants to teach Adam and Eve as science? That's not odd as a difference of opinion, that's logically and mathematically queer.
It reminds me of playing blackjack (a losers game). You make all the right moves, play the right hands but basically the House always wins. I know what you're going to say " But I won twelve hundred dollars last year in Atlantic City!" Of course there are victories. The odds aren't tilted crazy, but there is a 51%-49% advantage. And in the long run, the house has to win. The house will win.
So what is this house advantage the Republicans have? It's the press. There is no more fourth estate. Wait, hold on...I'm not going down some esoteric path with theories on the deregulation of the media and corporate bias and CNN versus Fox...I mean it: there is no more functioning press in this country. And without a real press the corporate and religious Republicans can lie all they want and get away with it. And that's the 51% advantage...
Arianna Huffington can hadly be called an impartial journalist.
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If we do lose I will have lost ALL faith in elections in this country. I will no longer feel I can trust the majority of my fellow Americans to do the correct thing in life.
If they choose McCain they are voting for more war, less education, less access to healthcare, disregard for the wellbeing of the planet and all the people and things on it.
They would be choosing hatred of non whites and non Judeo/Christians. They will be choosing continued loss of personal privacy and civil rights.
They would be choosing all things bad in this life over all things good about this nation, our world and the human race.
Yup. If McCain wins I will have NO RESPECT and nothing but pity for all who choose that way. I will have sadness and grief in my heart for the slow death they will help continue to bring upon this nation by choosing more McSame.
If people really want to put country first they will chose Obama. If not, they will choose McCain. It's just that simple.
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Unfortunately - the majority of Americans won't get off their fat asses to actually vote. They'll just complain about what happens.
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Zia_Abq
If we do lose I will have lost ALL faith in elections in this country. I will no longer feel I can trust the majority of my fellow Americans to do the correct thing in life.
If they choose McCain they are voting for more war, less education, less access to healthcare, disregard for the wellbeing of the planet and all the people and things on it.
They would be choosing hatred of non whites and non Judeo/Christians. They will be choosing continued loss of personal privacy and civil rights.
They would be choosing all things bad in this life over all things good about this nation, our world and the human race.
Yup. If McCain wins I will have NO RESPECT and nothing but pity for all who choose that way. I will have sadness and grief in my heart for the slow death they will help continue to bring upon this nation by choosing more McSame.
If people really want to put country first they will chose Obama. If not, they will choose McCain. It's just that simple.
So its your way or the highway, huh?
Yeah, I had a passionate and simplistic view of the world once too. Somewhere between then and now, life happened and I came to realize that I had in many instances been supporting the very things I thought I was against. I came to realize that what worked for me, didn't work out so good for my neighbor.
Hopefully, things will come around for you too, because in the grand scheme of things, politics, much like life, really isn't that simple.
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doc-catfish
So its your way or the highway, huh?
No of course not. I’m just expressing what I feel at this moment in time. Everyday is a new day that brings new insights.
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I'm stealing this from another forum but it is too true.
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It's the abused housewife syndrome. Sure, the Republicans have lead the charge into a never-ending war, managed to wrack up record deficits, stalled alternative energy research, and given tax breaks to the obscenely wealthy, but they love us and will never do anything bad to hurt us again. They promise. And this time, they mean it (they swear).
And if anyone asks, the economy fell down the stairs.
Come on America. Please.
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bem401
Arianna Huffington can hadly be called an impartial journalist.
Well, it's an op/ed piece. I'm not here to argue about the impartiality of any journalist (b/c quite frankly who is nowadays). I'm not here to argue about anything. Just thought it made good points. Thanks.
ETA: And Adam McKay wrote it, not Huffington.
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Miss_Luscious
I'm stealing this from another forum but it is too true.
Come on America. Please.
That was hilarous!! :rotfl:
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They can't win a fair fight. The caging of the voter rolls has already begun.
In Virgina the there has been articles published in newspapers warning students that they may lose their scholarships/ financial aid/ dependent status/ residency status/ health insurance if they register to vote. That is utter bullshit, and they know it. The Universities have countered that there has never been any record of that ever happening. I guess that may mean that students that register this year may actually lose those things, now that the idea is in the heads of the conservatives that control the financial aid and medical insurance.
Interesting how much $$ is being exchanged between Diebold (manufactures electronic voting machines) and the republican party.
Of course the conservatives have control of the TV, radio and newspapers. The left has a solid foothold on the web, though. But the conservatives (like McCain) are working to control the internet, too. They won't get it before November, though.
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francescadubois
ETA: And Adam McKay wrote it, not Huffington.
But Huffington ( and many on the right as well ) have no room for those with antithetical views.
His comments that the press favors the right are pure folly though. Fox is the only network that does not lean left but I won't deny that it leans right.
Most major newspapers also lean to left big time.
Conservatives do have a virtual monopoly on talk radio though. The difference though is that people go to talk radio for commentary and education, not news, like one does with networks and newspapers.
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Our left in the US is far to the right of the industrialized world. Most countries Conservative parties (like Australia, UK, Japan) are more liberal than our Democratic party.
Just some food for thought.
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I was definitely prepared to vote for a moderate Democrat, like Edwards or even Hillary. Instead, we get the political newbie with tons of charm and a rockstar-like fanbase, chock full of celebrities. But WHERE'S THE BEEF? I'm pretty darn certain that if elected, Obama will be the most ineffective president since Jimmy Carter. He has absolutely no expertise in ANY area, other than amassing popularity.
I'm not a fan of McCain, either. OK, you were a POW. We get it. What can YOU do for the country?
Bottom line..... I HATE this election. I just can't see either candidate doing any good for us. Right now, I'm undecided. Hopefully some more discussion will reveal a little more about these guys' positions.
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Paris
Our left in the US is far to the right of the industrialized world. Most countries Conservative parties (like Australia, UK, Japan) are more liberal than our Democratic party.
Just some food for thought.
I'd like to see the basis for this comment and the reason why that should make us want to move to the left.
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3-Legged Man
Bottom line..... I HATE this election. I just can't see either candidate doing any good for us. Right now, I'm undecided. Hopefully some more discussion will reveal a little more about these guys' positions.
Read their books. McCain's "Why Courage Matters" and Obama's "Audacity of Hope".
They both are megalomaniacs. But one would assume that is a requirement for the job of President.
The major difference between the two is that Obama wants to lead from the bottom up empowering the people to create change for themselves. McCain wants to lead by force of compliance because he knows what's good for the country and we need to fall in line to get the job done.
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bem401
I'd like to see the basis for this comment and the reason why that should make us want to move to the left.
Google is your friend. I'm not a world politics teacher.
Why would we want to emulate countries with cheaper universally available health care, better educated citizens, lower crime rates, lower teen pregnancy rates, lower rates of incarceration, higher incomes, sustainable clean energy, longer lives, lower infant mortality rates, equality between the sexes, reduced incident of disease from preventable sources (like tomatoes tainted with salmonella or spinach tainted with ecoli or poisonous flavor enhancers) and an overall higher level of life satisfaction?
I guess I'm just being silly:spin:
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Zia_Abq
If they choose McCain they are voting for more war, less education, less access to healthcare, disregard for the wellbeing of the planet and all the people and things on it.
They would be choosing hatred of non whites and non Judeo/Christians. They will be choosing continued loss of personal privacy and civil rights. ..
If people really want to put country first they will chose Obama. If not, they will choose McCain. It's just that simple.
Um, it's really not. I haven't made up my mind yet whether it'll be McCain or Barr, but I will definitely NOT be voting for Obama. It's not because I'm a horrible racist who loves war and hates education and healthcare and the planet. It's because I value my personal freedom, my Constitutional rights, my own money, and the values my country was built on.
In my opinion, a vote for Obama is a vote for even higher taxes, funneling more money into broken welfare programs, more government intrusion into my home and family, and worst of all, a taxpayer-funded healthcare scheme that will most likely be used as a basis for restricting any and all behavior that the government decides it doesn't like. It's a vote against Israel and the Jewish people, it's a vote against the Constitution which specifically limits the kind of massive nanny government Obama wants to create, and it's a vote against small business owners.
This is my opinion. I'm not saying that everyone who votes for Obama is a bad person; we just disagree on political issues. Kindly do me the same favor, and please don't suggest that Republicans and conservatives are all horrible people who hate everyone else and the country, okay?
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francescadubois
I'm sorry, I just posted this in reference to the American public's apathy about real issues. I think this is a perfect case in point. Instead of discussing the issues addressed in the op/ed, you want to sit here and start an argument about the impartiality of journalists and who swings left or right. I didn't post this to point fingers and start shit. I just thought it was interesting and was hoping MAYBE people wanted to discuss the issues addressed in the aforementioned article. That is all. ::)
Well, when a left wing media source cries that the right controls the media, it merits a response.
I re-read the article. Its just an example of the left blaming the right for all their problems of those of the country as well.
A conservative would tell you we have our problems because we've abandoned the conservative ideals.
The problem is a combination of the two. The republicans in power along with the democrats taxed liked conservatives and spent like liberals.
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Wow. I deleted this 30 seconds after I posted it. I didnt want this up but whatev.
ETA: I deleted it b/c I didn't think I was clear enough, and felt like it was going to turn into a back and forth, which I don't particularly care for. But carry on.
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Zia_Abq
No of course not. I’m just expressing what I feel at this moment in time. Everyday is a new day that brings new insights.
That would be wonderful. Please let us know if you ever get one.
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Yekhefah
In my opinion, a vote for Obama is a vote for even higher taxes, funneling more money into broken welfare programs, more government intrusion into my home and family, and worst of all, a taxpayer-funded healthcare scheme that will most likely be used as a basis for restricting any and all behavior that the government decides it doesn't like. It's a vote against Israel and the Jewish people, it's a vote against the Constitution which specifically limits the kind of massive nanny government Obama wants to create, and it's a vote against small business owners.
This is my opinion. I'm not saying that everyone who votes for Obama is a bad person; we just disagree on political issues. Kindly do me the same favor, and please don't suggest that Republicans and conservatives are all horrible people who hate everyone else and the country, okay?
Fair enough, Yek. I'm just really concerned for the well being of our nation at this point in history, that's all. Emotions run high in tough times as I am sure you will agree.
:peace:
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Eric Stoner
That would be wonderful. Please let us know if you ever get one.
You are acting like a pathetic POS....Are you an older white male by chance? Typical Republican jackass with no class. I'm sure you only have the ability to vote for your own selfish ass but I bet you THINK you are an American.
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Yekhefah
Um, it's really not. I haven't made up my mind yet whether it'll be McCain or Barr, but I will definitely NOT be voting for Obama. It's not because I'm a horrible racist who loves war and hates education and healthcare and the planet. It's because I value my personal freedom, my Constitutional rights, my own money, and the values my country was built on.
I totally understand where you are coming from. If I can have few seconds of your time to illustrate why voting for a liberal is a good idea:
Southern California is primarily republican/ conservative. The laws and politics there have lead to numerous social ills and a collapsing economy.
Portland, Oregon is primarily Democratic/ liberal. Although not without its own set of problems, most would agree that Portland Oregon is a much more livable city than most Southern California cities.
This is not a coincidence. Cities with more liberal governance are overall healthier places to live than cities with conservative governance. Austin and Dallas are other good examples of liberal vs. conservative. Minneapolis vs. Cleveland show the stark difference between liberal and conservative governance.
What is the most liberal city in the world? Amsterdam. The citizens live longer, have better educations, are healthier, and wealthier on average than Americans. Oh, and they have the tallest population (Denmark), too. The average height of a man in Denmark is 6'2". In the US it is 5'9". Height is an indicator of good health in early childhood as well as good education, nutrition and a nurturing environment.
I just wanted to point out that conservative governments have a tendency towards failure and liberal governments have a tendency towards success. Depending on your definition of what success and failure is for a nation state. My definition is a vital/ vibrant population with high productivity, low poverty rates and consistent growth for all segments of the population.
I know some people see suppression of a certain portion of the population while maintaining a ruling elite as a successful government. To me that just sounds so 18th century, though.
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Paris
I totally understand where you are coming from. If I can have few seconds of your time to illustrate why voting for a liberal is a good idea:
Southern California is primarily republican/ conservative. The laws and politics there have lead to numerous social ills and a collapsing economy.
Portland, Oregon is primarily Democratic/ liberal. Although not without its own set of problems, most would agree that Portland Oregon is a much more livable city than most Southern California cities.
This is not a coincidence. Cities with more liberal governance are overall healthier places to live than cities with conservative governance. Austin and Dallas are other good examples of liberal vs. conservative. Minneapolis vs. Cleveland show the stark difference between liberal and conservative governance.
What is the most liberal city in the world? Amsterdam. The citizens live longer, have better educations, are healthier, and wealthier on average than Americans. Oh, and they have the tallest population (Denmark), too. The average height of a man in Denmark is 6'2". In the US it is 5'9". Height is an indicator of good health in early childhood as well as good education, nutrition and a nurturing environment.
I just wanted to point out that conservative governments have a tendency towards failure and liberal governments have a tendency towards success. Depending on your definition of what success and failure is for a nation state. My definition is a vital/ vibrant population with high productivity, low poverty rates and consistent growth for all segments of the population.
I know some people see suppression of a certain portion of the population while maintaining a ruling elite as a successful government. To me that just sounds so 18th century, though.
That's really interesting about Liberal cities being healthier than conservative cities. I've never thought of it.
I'm in a part of California that is very Red....but I'm not seeing it this year.
I know people who have left California for Portland and love it.
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sapphiregirl
You are acting like a pathetic POS....Are you an older white male by chance? Typical Republican jackass with no class. I'm sure you only have the ability to vote for your own selfish ass but I bet you THINK you are an American.
What does his race, age, or gender have to do with it? Had those comments came from a young non-white female would they be any different? And how ironic is your first sentence there?
Zia and SG, the majority of your political postings in the community boards have been of little substance, and they're getting worse by the day. Your ideological viewpoints have nothing to do with it. We have a plentiful amount of liberals on the board who can debate politics in a reasoned and mature matter. For whatever reason, I see them hanging their heads a bit when they see either of you make posts that are trite, immature, and would possibly warrant points on any other section of the board.
When you make hateful broad brushing comments about people who think differently than you, (ironically admonishing said people for being hateful), you're really just torpedoing your own cause. When you do that, the opposition starts looking better in the minds of the undecided, if only by default.
With reference to this topic, that might be something to consider.