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Stripper gets murder sentence for hustling guys!! WTF ???
So, I settled in to watch 48 hours mystery, a show I really like. I was APPALLED to see what was on tonight.
To sum it up, a woman who lived in Alaska was "engaged" to three guys at once and hustling them all for money and gifts. She actually worked at the Alaskan Bush Company. Anyway, one of the guys ended up dead .... long story, but she ended up being convicted of his murder on the grounds that she was manipulative and pitting this three guys against each other to win her affections, and that's what led to his death. There was absoultely no concrete evidence that she was involved in any way, and no circumstancial evidence beyond the fact that she was lying to all these guys and manipulating them for money and gifts!!!
HOLY FUCK!! It really really really freaked me out!! Everybody convicted her solely on the fact that she was hustling guys and was a stripper...I mean it was literally said in the interview, "Well, so all these guys are giving you money and gifts and you are leading them all on. How does this look to the average person?"
Ummm...my blood it is a BOILING.
Here is the link : Click if you dare.......http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n3914454.shtml
So much for a fair trial!
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So much for reasonable doubt. I bet the hury was made up of wives who've had hubby's stolen or men who've gone bankrupt because of a stripper. I'm so glad our justice system is so flawless! >:(
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Yes!! Even my own BOYFRIEND was like, "Oh she's probably guilty?" WTF? I was like, "Well honey you better hope I'm never on trial for anything because apparently evil stripper me will be in prison for the rest of my life...."
Oh ! I would like to add that the judge in this case gave her 99 years in jail!! 99 years?????? How many murderers get 99 years on a first offense? SRSLY! (I mean murders should get that much don't get me wrong, but most don't. More like a life sentence, which is twenty five years)
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I remember this case. They convicted her of FIRST degree murder?!? Like she talked the one guy into doing it? Even if, say, she actually DID talk this Carlin dude into shooting the other retard (sorry, but any guy that does shit like that Leppink dumbass did is fucking stupid, LIFE insurance with the dancer as the beneficiary? Talk about snowballed) shouldn't this Carlin guy be the one with the Murder 1 charge and her with a conspiracy to commit murder wrap?
I mean even if she is 100% guilty, HOW is she guilty of murder 1??? That makes no sense. I smell an appeal. The judge should have thrown that right out or even set aside the verdict.
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Exactly babe!! Can't believe you remember that case! The thing is too, nobody is even accusing her of shooting him!! He was shot with a fucking Desert Eagle!!! There is no possible way I could shoot that gun without giving myself a broken nose from the kick back, or hell even aiming the damn thing, and I'm sure she couldn't have either!!
Don't even get me STARTED on Sarah Palin being in office when this shit went down...LOL!
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OMG wow. I really wanna watch this. I'm getting a freaked out feeling reading this and the post in General about the raid/arrests. What a lovely business we work in where we are guilty because we are strippers.
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What a lovely country we live in since we are guilty because of the profession we are in.
Things need to change!!
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Alaska is fuuuuucked uuuuup. (That's the technical term.)
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That was an old episode.
If you missed it, you can watch it online on the 48 Hours Mystery website. 48 Hours Mystery is my #1 all-time favorite show :)
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I think I might've seen this a couple years ago. Some hot bitches come from Alaska.. like Palin, Holly Madison (Hef's girlfriend), etc.
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Originally Posted by
Madcap
I remember this case. They convicted her of FIRST degree murder?!? Like she talked the one guy into doing it? Even if, say, she actually DID talk this Carlin dude into shooting the other retard (sorry, but any guy that does shit like that Leppink dumbass did is fucking stupid, LIFE insurance with the dancer as the beneficiary? Talk about snowballed) shouldn't this Carlin guy be the one with the Murder 1 charge and her with a conspiracy to commit murder wrap?
I mean even if she is 100% guilty, HOW is she guilty of murder 1??? That makes no sense. I smell an appeal. The judge should have thrown that right out or even set aside the verdict.
What do you think Manson is in prison for?
He didn't personally kill anyone, he instructed people to.
Through the joint-responsibility rule of conspiracy, he was convicted of the murders.
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Sirona
What do you think Manson is in prison for?
He didn't personally kill anyone, he instructed people to.
Through the joint-responsibility rule of conspiracy, he was convicted of the murders.
Yeah, a little more evidence against Manson. Along with participants flipping on him and testifying against him (Paul Watkins, Barbara Hoyt, but mainly star witness Linda Kasabian who had overheard the actual order from Manson to do the tate/Labianca murders). There is nothing like that here, if i'm not mistaken. Totally different situation.
IMO this chick was overcharged. She may very well be guilty, but not of first degree murder.
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^^ I was simply pointing out you don't have to physically murder someone in order to be charged with 1st degree murder.
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And for the record (and this doesn't mean I think the sentence she received was fair) I think it's an awful shitty thing to do; accepting three marriage proposals and meeting thier families etc, stripper or not.
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Um I watched this same show last night and I thought she was guilty as fuck and she got to live a free life for all that time. They had emails were she told the one guy to go to the sacheles because they had no extradition laws there and people who saw her around the murder weapon when the accused killer was soaking it in bleach. She was also he beneficiary of that life insurance policy on him she purchased. She also tried to make herself out to be the victim oh why would 40 year old men want to marry a 20 year old girl. She made no eye contact during the interview, her tears were fake. The only thing she was sheading tears over was that her greedy ways from years ago took her away from her doctor husband and daughter. That girl was so cold. I totaly believe she took advantage of the fact all three of those gus were in love with her, got sick of the one guy stalking her and had the other guy drive him up to the fake cabin thinking he would find her there with the other guy and coerced him into killing him so they could split the 100,000 but it didnt work out that way.
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Originally Posted by
Sirona
^^ I was simply pointing out you don't have to physically murder someone in order to be charged with 1st degree murder.
That's true, but it has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't see any way that's possible with no real direct evidence (Answering machine messages, notes, eyewitness testimony etc...). Which is why i think this isn't over. She has a good appeal to at least get the sentence reduced or a new trial at the very least.
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Sirona
And for the record (and this doesn't mean I think the sentence she received was fair) I think it's an awful shitty thing to do; accepting three marriage proposals and meeting thier families etc, stripper or not.
I agree, shitty as hell. But it's not a crime unless she actually marries them. She's guilty of being a bitch, certainly. Conspiracy to commit murder: possibly. But i don't see how first degree murder can possibly be proved in court with nothing but circumstantial evidence in a case like this. I suppose they could put the shooter on the witness stand, but any defense attorney worth a nickle could poke so many holes in him he'd look like a Bonnieless Clyde.
Her past employment coupled with this very activity HAS to have influenced the jury. They probably had her pegged as guilty the second they heard the three guys met her in a strip club.
I'd like to have seen how the trial would have gone had the Judge ruled the stripper unfairly prejudicial the Jury and thus inadmissible (it really doesn't have anything to do with the crime she's accused of and carries a stigma with a lot of people). The three fiancees would have to, of course, remain since that's all part of the love, er... "triangle"... that led to this mess.
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^^^ Actually I believe there was some solid evidence as to her directing the killing to a large degree. I'll see if I can find it somewhere...
Still looking! I'm so unorganized *sigh*
I agree her past work as a dancer probably influenced people to some degree.
It's unfortunate and unfair.
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michele11
Um I watched this same show last night and I thought she was guilty as fuck and she got to live a free life for all that time. They had emails were she told the one guy to go to the sacheles because they had no extradition laws there and people who saw her around the murder weapon when the accused killer was soaking it in bleach. .
A big thing for me was I didn't believe the guy's son on the stand, and his testimony that she was by the murder weapon was dismissed bc in his two original depositions he had said only his dad was by it.
The Sacheles thing was odd, but I mean, she said it costs ten million to go there....the life insurance policy was one tenth of that size...I don't see a match.
There was some evidence that looked damning, but the fact is, nobody ever heard her say I WANT YOU TO KILL SO AND SO. I mean, the trial got so rediculous as it was brought up her favorite movie was about a seductress! She was convicted because of her lifestyle....everyone assumed the leap between stone cold hustler and stone cold killer was short. Maybe she did it, maybe she didn't, but there wasn't enough evidence (or any evidence) to convict.
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What about the fact that she sent her sister a laptop with instructions to erase everything on it?
When the authorities asked her to hand it over she stated she'd sent it to repairs.
Mail records show she didn't send it to her sister until after the authorities came looking for it.
In addition she had made atttempts to erase incriminating emails. She wasn't successful.
Another interesting fact, the son you mentioned; he refered to her as a sister. The kid supports her. So why would he lie about her being there?
Just interesting stuff.
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All those things totally proove she had something to hide, but it was never directly said by ANYONE That she asked somebody to kill T.T. I guess that's really what shocked me about this case, not only could no prove that she asked Craig to kill TT, but nobody even can accuse her or name one date or time when she did such a thing!! It's all just speculation. She could be guilty as sin, but I don't feel that there was any difinitive evidence to show that.....
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The letter about the hope cabin was meant to lure him there were I believe carlin drove him and killed him. Nobody wants to implicate her because there all pussy wipped by her. Though the one she admited she loved who was her fiance thinks she was invlolved. Infact I think he knows alot more than he is saying which is why he failed the lie detector and didnt the parents say she bought the life insurance policy for a wedding gift? When he was found dead he has a change of beneficiary in his pocket. I think when its expected carlin drove him to hope he suspected something i.e. the letter to his parents. I also dont think she was convicted for being a dancer the jury was out for days not hours and it made for good tv to play up that part. It wouldnt have been as interesting had she of just been some 20 year old living with three forty year old men in a trailer park. What made me think she was guilty was her demeaner. Also when she was first taken to police headquarters and questioned didnt they ask her if carlin had a gun and she said yes and what type and added but I couldnt shoot it and when she asked when he died they said they didnt know and she was like you couldnt tell kind of screaming it, like she was trying to figure out if theyhad figured out the time of death and her created alibi. She has a really cold demeanor and seemed to be lying the whole interview. No direct eye contact and the look of death she shot that dancer who testified againt her. I wonder if anyone here has worked with her?
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thechaosfairy
Alaska is fuuuuucked uuuuup. (That's the technical term.)
For the risk of saying something political about Palin and pissing people off... I agree with you. I never paid much attention to Alaska before but... wow.
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Jay Zeno
Don't know this case. But in many jurisdictions, a person can be convicted on circumstantial evidence alone if it is convincing to the jury beyond a reasonable doubt.
I know that people say, "You shouldn't be convicted only on circumstantial evidence." Say you get a paper normally delivered by a 12 year old paperboy who rides a bicycle. You go out on the porch one morning. Your paper is folded and rubber-banded exactly like the paperboy does. You see tracks of smaller-sized sneakers in a light snow going from your porch to a set of bicycle tracks. There is no direct evidence that the paperboy came to your house that morning, but the circumstantial evidence rather indicates that.
I'm not saying that people should only be convicted with direct evidence, sure it's of a little more value than circumstantial evidence but compelling circumstantial evidence can be pretty convincing. I'm just saying that the evidence that i know about doesn't seem to me to support a first degree murder conviction with a 99 year sentence. That's shit you give serial killers or child killers to make sure they never see the light of day again.
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is another article, one about John Carlin (the actual shooter). Check out his picture up in the upper right corner. Handsome devil isn't he?
is a website someone set up to spring her.
Here is the they filed
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Wow thanks MadCap for the link! I think I'm going to send her a letter!