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Ive been told Im very agressive and dominant with customers (by a friend.) I dont have to act - its just me but I am not bitchy... just very direct and to the point. I dont have the patience for bs anymore... Ive been doing this job way too long.
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The top earners in my club are VERY agresssive.....they make no effort to be subtle or polite at all. I find that guys have a hard time saying no to me when I'm a little agressive-I walk up to them with confidence, stand right in front of them so we're face to face, say hi, introduce myself, and say "we should do a dance. let's go". If they say yes, great, if not, oh well I'm on to the next customer. I waste very little time.
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Rockell
The top earners in my club are VERY agresssive.....they make no effort to be subtle or polite at all. I find that guys have a hard time saying no to me when I'm a little agressive-I walk up to them with confidence, stand right in front of them so we're face to face, say hi, introduce myself, and say "we should do a dance. let's go". If they say yes, great, if not, oh well I'm on to the next customer. I waste very little time.
I'm still trying to work on that other than just being sweet all the time.
:-\
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^^^ Yup. And if I can tell they're a time waster I'll just walk away without saying another damn word. No bye, no Ill see you later, no nothing. Like I said, no patience for bs. But, I will usually end up back over to them asking again... whatever. I dont care what some random dude in a SC thinks about me - I have a very keep sense of whos going to spend, whos not, etc. I can tell whos a time waster from just a few words with them but mostly its all about body language. If you can read that youre set. Honestly, all I care about it getting money. Period.
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AudreyLeigh
^^^ Yup. And if I can tell they're a time waster I'll just walk away without saying another damn word. No bye, no Ill see you later, no nothing. Like I said, no patience for bs. But, I will usually end up back over to them asking again... whatever. I dont care what some random dude in a SC thinks about me - I have a very keep sense of whos going to spend, whos not, etc. I can tell whos a time waster from just a few words with them but mostly its all about body language. If you can read that youre set. Honestly, all I care about it getting money. Period.
What kind of body language do time wasters use that we should look out for? My club gets A LOT of time wasters >:(
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Electrum
What kind of body language do time wasters use that we should look out for? My club gets A LOT of time wasters >:(
Usually since I ask for the dance within the first 20-30 seconds of approaching them, I can tell who is a time waster very quickly. Most likely, when you ask a time waster for a dance they'll beat around the question or ignore it completely and try to change the subject so you'll keep talking to them for free. Or, they will tell you "maybe later", "I just got here", ect., but they will still try to keep talking to you. I try to steer the conversation back to getting a dance 1 more time and if they don't go for it, I just walk away.
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I am very aggressive and 'assertive' according to customers and co-workers, and that comes off as rude a lot. And I try to play that sweet thing, but it always comes off contrived and insincere. No bueno. I do have trouble finding a middle ground, because aggressive doesn't work with all people. Athough with some it's like hitting the jackpot! I guess I'm just not good at adjusting to different customers personalities.
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I have been told that I am too nice and that guys want a girl who is more aggressive and the opposite of what they have at home. I have also been told that I have a good personality and the fact that I smile at the customers makes them more willing to get dances from me.
As far as timewasters, I've learned that they will ask when I am going on stage so that they can see how I move before they get a dance from me. I normally try to explain to them that stage dancing and lap dancing are two completely different things and not in any way similar. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
Also, if the waitress comes by to get a drink order from the guy and he doesn't ask me if I want a drink, I usually deem him as a time waster.
I was pretty good about staying focused on getting dances, but lately I've been lazy and have been spending entirely too much time talking to them, instead of hustling for dances.:-\
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I'm still trying to figure out who will actually reward me for conversation (besides the obvious tipping me while we chat) and who just wants to get a stripper drunk and chat for free. I've noticed that I can get myself into this funk where I will sit down with a guy and for some reason I can talk talk talk but the dance question just wont come out of my mouth. I KNOW that I should ask but I get too nervous or something. I didn't used to get into those weird funks when I first started. I wonder if it's a bit of burnout?
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Confidence is key to pulling off the aggressive hustle. You cannot be shy or be timid in asking for what you want. Believe that you are worth it!!!
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i have been told that im too nice at times by girls at work. but it doesnt bother me because i still make good money. i can be aggressive when i need to be.
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I'm a naturally shy quiet person. so when I go to work and decide to just "be myself" I end up being broke at the end of the night! This is why I don't do that anymore.
Since I am a shy person, its extremely hard for me to be aggressive. So in order for me to be more assertive and aggressive I drink. When I drink I am slightly bitchy and very aggressive. I almost never hear no and get a lot of people taking me to the vip.
So find what it is that will help you act more aggressive/bitchy and if you can... stay away from drinking!
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Aggression and over-the-top confidence totally works! I have not mastered it yet, by any means. But from what I've seen, it starts with knowing what you want and going after it single-mindedly. If you believe you're the best shit in the club and deserve to get paid like it, you will.
Case in point: I was talking to a dead-end customer last weekend. I didn't know how to get out of it. Another dancer who does VERY well for herself comes over, grabs my arm roughly and pulls me away from this guy, saying "We're here to make money." She hauls my ass over to another customer and, without another word, forced him to get dances from me. This chick is so intent on getting what she wants that both of us followed her lead without a question or second thought. It was bizarre, and so inspiring. She made me, another dancer, $70 in about 6 minutes with that confidence. She also made me want to kick ass like that.
The lesson here? Develop the sort of confidence and attitude that doesn't need words, and you'll probably get what you want.
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I'd say confidence works over agression.
A lot of guys like agression... but most of the time... the ones with money enjoy any attitude paired with confidence.
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^ I agree with DesuvsDeath.
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NikkaR
Aggression and over-the-top confidence totally works! I have not mastered it yet, by any means. But from what I've seen, it starts with knowing what you want and going after it single-mindedly. If you believe you're the best shit in the club and deserve to get paid like it, you will.
Case in point: I was talking to a dead-end customer last weekend. I didn't know how to get out of it. Another dancer who does VERY well for herself comes over, grabs my arm roughly and pulls me away from this guy, saying "We're here to make money." She hauls my ass over to another customer and, without another word, forced him to get dances from me. This chick is so intent on getting what she wants that both of us followed her lead without a question or second thought. It was bizarre, and so inspiring. She made me, another dancer, $70 in about 6 minutes with that confidence. She also made me want to kick ass like that.
The lesson here? Develop the sort of confidence and attitude that doesn't need words, and you'll probably get what you want.
Do you work with me? LOL... thats how I do it - Im not overly agressive - just a little forceful and leading with what I do - I'll even say "OK, buy a dance now and Ill leave you alone for the rest of the night"... hehe... and it works - a lot - AND they usually want me to come back or do another dance or whatever. I like to break the guys in for the night.
But - this does NOT work in a small club. I could never do the things I do at my current club in my old, smaller club.
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^ Thank god there are dancers like you! I'm trying to observe and learn from this girl as fast as I can.
Actually, I work at a big club and a small club. This happened at the smaller club, but it still worked out well.
And I suppose I should define the term "aggression" more clearly, since it has a negative connotation. What this dancer did wasn't offensive and off-putting. It was very assertive and, like what AudreyLeigh said, "just a little forceful and leading." That's what I mean by aggressive.
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Yea, its hard to explain my hustle which is why I rarely post here - even tho it works. Its one of those things Id have to teach in person by taking the girl along with me or have them watch me.
When I try to explain it I come off as being a bitch at work but thats not it at all.
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Rockell
Confidence is key to pulling off the aggressive hustle. You cannot be shy or be timid in asking for what you want. Believe that you are worth it!!!
Also, NEVER HESITATE! i have lost many dances or champagne rooms because i hesitated.
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Definitely be assertive and have the right amount of bitchiness. Don't let them take the conversation in another direction when you are trying to hustle them.
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carmenlove
Also, NEVER HESITATE! i have lost many dances or champagne rooms because i hesitated.
Ive done that too. Where I thought they wouldnt go for it. I learned my lesson (for the most part) and now ask everyone.
Problem with my place is I get bored to death in the lounge and keep looking at my watch thinking i could be having fun out in the club. Its rare that I have a good time... one person from here (SW) is cool and Ive had a couple nice customers but for the most part is BORING. i have to keep reminding myself this is my job and im making money and to suck it up but i cant help but look at my watch every 3 minutes.
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^i suggest that you have an audreyleigh-cam with you while you hustle so we can see how it's done :)
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I'm not "agressive" in a blatant sense, because it wouldn't really work for me...I'm 5'2" and look like very cutsey girl next door.....So, I'm "bratty-agressive."
"I want to do an hour with you?? PLLLLEAAAASSSEEE!!! All these other guys here are boring I want to hang out with you!!"
So, I just play really bouncy, ditzy cute and guys get to play captain save a ho!
This is what I do with younger guys....my favorite are the no bullshit talker VIP older men...with them I do not do this and am a straight shooter and act basically like myself ....
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AudreyLeigh
^^^ Yup. And if I can tell they're a time waster I'll just walk away without saying another damn word. No bye, no Ill see you later, no nothing. Like I said, no patience for bs. But, I will usually end up back over to them asking again... whatever. I dont care what some random dude in a SC thinks about me - I have a very keep sense of whos going to spend, whos not, etc. I can tell whos a time waster from just a few words with them but mostly its all about body language. If you can read that youre set. Honestly, all I care about it getting money. Period.
I love this, you're my new idol ;D