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Re: You knew this was going to be a result of Obama getting elected
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Originally Posted by
Miss_Luscious
Yeah but nobody ran out and got abortions before they had the chance to take the right away. LOL!
People don't usually decide they're going to want an abortion 8 months in advance.
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And Mel, it appears you're going to have to leave your new toy at home when you renounce your citizenship and flee to Costa Rica
No problem ! I can pick up a fully automatic AK-47 down there for a couple of hundred US dollars.
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Originally Posted by
LizardQueen
No one needs an AK-47. Hunting rifles, pistols, etc make sense to own, seeing as they have purposes other than slaughtering people on a large scale.
Nobody needs an AK-47 right now... but there may be a time when it is needed.
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Re: You knew this was going to be a result of Obama getting elected
Yeah! We're gonna just break into a full-on anarchy war, every man for himself! Better get a rocket launcher and a tank while you're at it!
::)
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Re: You knew this was going to be a result of Obama getting elected
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Originally Posted by
threlayer
Ruled by the People?? When did that happen?
More likely it's because scared people want to have protection from the crazed lunatics that will overrun their bungalow and steal all their belongings just after murdering their family.
Problem is the crazed lunatics have already bought their multiple assault rifles and grenades and have taken training in some reactionary-oriented mountain camp led by ex-CIA mercenaries, so they will win.
You need to make a movie script out of that one.
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Re: You knew this was going to be a result of Obama getting elected
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Originally Posted by
madi
Guns may be murder weapons, but they are also a means of self defense against those murderers with guns.. Without them law abiding citizens will be at the mercy of criminals with guns, because criminals will have guns regardless of the law.. They obviously don't feel the need to abide by the law. A better idea would be SEVERE punishment for those found to have illegally obtained weapons, no permit, etc.. And no 3 strikes system for them.. People with illegal weapons DO NOT have good intentions or they would get a permit :)
Call me crazy, but my hunch is that murder rates would be lower if guns were harder to get (particularly since most homicide occurs at home, not at the hands of some dodgy stranger who got a gun on the black market).
Also, it's not as if the government is in any hurry to legalise narcotics just because criminals will (and do!) find a way to get them anyway. A moment's thought should tell you that when something's more available, its use will rise.
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Originally Posted by
flickad
Call me crazy, but my hunch is that murder rates would be lower if guns were harder to get.
Proof That Gun Control Works link:
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Originally Posted by
LizardQueen
Yeah! We're gonna just break into a full-on anarchy war, every man for himself! Better get a rocket launcher and a tank while you're at it!
::)
I like how you think! ;D
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Originally Posted by
Jabba_WTF?
You... Are... So... Right!
I was just thinking that the gun that grew legs and chased me away from my own truck was just looney. /sarcasm
You can think guns are evil all you want, but the guns are truly unbiased.
It's the carrier that does the real damage.
Hell, I can aim a gun at a person and it wont fire until I pull the trigger.
And without the gun, it would be much harder to kill.
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Originally Posted by
Deogol
I wonder how many stabbing murders there are a year compared to shooting ones?
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Re: You knew this was going to be a result of Obama getting elected
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Originally Posted by
flickad
I wonder how many stabbing murders there are a year compared to shooting ones?
Ask the British who now want to ban butcher knives and have a crime rate greater than America.
The gun control experiment has been performed and found wanting.
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Originally Posted by
jessica0585
if someone is that determined to kill themselves im sure they would find other ways other than a gun. f.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/ma...in&oref=slogin
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Re: You knew this was going to be a result of Obama getting elected
^^^ actually, when criminals have guns and law abiding citizens do not, it is much EASIER for the criminal to kill / rob / rape (whatever) the law abiding citizen. I'm not going to bother tracking down the link, but in another SW thread the facts about rapidly rising crime rates in Chicago suburbs (which banned gun ownership as well as gun stores) were spelled out ... as were the facts about rapidly rising crime rates in Vallejo CA which was forced to cut its police force by 40% due to falling tax revenues => bankruptcy.
A lot of big city suburban residents face similar risks in the near future ... they just don't know it yet !
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Originally Posted by
Deogol
Ask the British who now want to ban butcher knives and have a crime rate greater than America.
The gun control experiment has been performed and found wanting.
I'm talking about homicide rates, not crime rates. We have strict gun control and lower rates of both crime and homicide crime than the US.
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Originally Posted by
Melonie
^^^ actually, when criminals have guns and law abiding citizens do not, it is much EASIER for the criminal to kill / rob / rape (whatever) the law abiding citizen. I'm not going to bother tracking down the link, but in another SW thread the facts about rapidly rising crime rates in Chicago suburbs (which banned gun ownership as well as gun stores) were spelled out ... as were the facts about rapidly rising crime rates in Vallejo CA which was forced to cut its police force by 40% due to falling tax revenues => bankruptcy.
A lot of big city suburban residents face similar risks in the near future ... they just don't know it yet !
How do criminals get guns if you can't freely buy them? Someone has to be supplying the black market.
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Originally Posted by
Melonie
No problem ! I can pick up a fully automatic AK-47 down there for a couple of hundred US dollars.
Good for you. You're much more likely to need it down there.
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How do criminals get guns if you can't freely buy them? Someone has to be supplying the black market.
Yeah well, I have a hard time imagining that if asked to include a few crates of guns along with their weekly shipment of drugs, that offshore suppliers would react with 'we can't do that ... guns are illegal in your country' !
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Re: You knew this was going to be a result of Obama getting elected
Basically it goes like this... Bad guy will always find way to get a gun.
If bad guy knows you dont have a gun, it makes his job alot easier.
i dont wanna make a bad guys job easier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6IZOrs-i6g
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Originally Posted by
flickad
How do criminals get guns if you can't freely buy them? Someone has to be supplying the black market.
Replace guns with drugs, freon, cheap undocumented labor, or anything people demand and apply the same logic.
In any of those instances, its pretty easy when you share a 2,000 mile land border with a neighbor that has a corrupt "anything goes" mindset that's like an open sieve. Something Australia to my knowledge doesn't have to deal with.
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Originally Posted by
LizardQueen
Tragedies like Columbine might have been avoided if more thorough psychological screening were done to qualify people for gun ownership.
These two nut jobs used someone else to buy the guns, and adult actually. Since they could not purchase some of the firearms and could not purchase the ammo.
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Originally Posted by
LizardQueen
I'm all for the right to bear arms but I support strict regulation.
That would be a non sequitur. right?
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LizardQueen
A family member of mine is mentally ill and has purchased guns on several occasions (in strict CA!) during psychotic and depressive episodes with the intent to commit suicide. Tragedies like Columbine might have been avoided if more thorough psychological screening were done to qualify people for gun ownership.
Well then you family member is a felon for lying on the BATFE form 4473 that is filled out and signed at the time of purchase. The form specifically asks if you have ever been found "menatally defective" A simple call to the California Highway Patrol can get your family members firearms confiscated and your family members name add to the list of persons prohibitted. Do it now, it is for the children you know.
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Originally Posted by
flickad
How do criminals get guns if you can't freely buy them? Someone has to be supplying the black market.
What are called "Straw purchases". a straw purchase is when a person buys a firearm for another knwoing that person cannot legally purchase one for themselves.
Example: Convicted felon convinces girlfriend to purchase for him.
Making a straw purchase is a felony. There are also illegal weapons shipped over US borders from foreign countries, it is not all coke and weed being smuggled in. Last but not least are workshop guns, made in garages and shops here and there.
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Originally Posted by
flickad
And without the gun, it would be much harder to kill.
Not really that hardest part about killing is just doing it. There is a lot of mental resistance to the action. The object has little part in the act and cannot perform without the actor. Blaming a gun for murder is like, blaming a car for driving with the drunk behind the wheel.
More people survive gunshots than being stabbed. Knives slash and cut through flesh causing massive loss of blood. Bullet wounds are smaller and affect less tissue that closes in upon itself.
Gun are just more sensational.
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Originally Posted by
flickad
I'm talking about homicide rates, not crime rates. We have strict gun control and lower rates of both crime and homicide crime than the US.
Twenty five million Australians and 300 million Americans. Couldn't be a contributing factor.
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Originally Posted by
flickad
I wonder how many stabbing murders there are a year compared to shooting ones?
Here you go. 2005 and back to 1996. From the US Dept. of Justice.