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Vatican: Abortion for rape -victim worse than raping a 9-year old
In Brazil, a 9 year old girl was repeatedly raped by her stepfather and as a result, became pregnant. The girl's mother took her to a hospital for an abortion. The Catholic Church's response was to excommunicate the girl's mother and doctor for the abortion, even though the girl could have died if she were to carry the babies (twins) to full term. While the church excommunicated the mother and doctor, they did not excommunicate the stepfather who raped the girl, since his crime was not as "heinous", according to the church.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...m-1640165.html
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Re: Vatican: Abortion for rape -victim worse than raping a 9-year old
... and this is why I'm agnostic.
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Re: Vatican: Abortion for rape -victim worse than raping a 9-year old
This burns me up ... This has officially fucked up my night. WTF this is part of the problem I have with orginized religion. I believe in a higher power but not other humans. Priest rape kids and they move him somewhere else and now because her daughter was raped and she wanted to save her child she can't worship with them any more that's bull
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FUCK the Catholic Church. They are right up there with the Nazis, imho.
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This is pathetic. I hope that the people in the Catholic church who peddle these unfair and utterly ridiculous ideas burn in hell. Sweet irony..
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This is exactly why I left the Catholic Church. I used to be a very devout Catholic until I saw things like this happen. They won't allow women to become priests, but will accept pedophiles because there's a shortage. They claim to be for the poor, but sent my mother a very nasty letter because she wasn't giving much to the plate (because my dad just lost his job and my mom didn't make much). They give money to various anti abortion organizations. I could go on, but it makes me sick.
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Wow.....just wow >:(>:(>:(
These people are deluded and completely disgust me. I love the irony of how they pull this shit, and somehow think it equates going to "heaven". 1+1=3, anyone??
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Yeah. And I bet if they waved enough money in the churches face it would all go away. Catholic church is a bunch of whores and hypocrites. All the church wants is your $ and to tell you how bad you are. That way you keep coming back to give them $. FUCK THEM.
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I don't see how anyone would be surprised. Under Catholic dogma, killing yourself or killing someone else are the two most serious sins you can commit. Raping a child or torturing someone for weeks on end is still serious, but you can still repent and get absolution after those last two. That's the church's priority schedule. It's not as if it's some sort of secret.
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I sincerely believe that Jesus sees this shit and is like "...wtf? Idiots."
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I can't believe we still see things like this happen in this day and age, it's sickening. I don't subscribe to any organized religious beliefs either ... too many stories like this that say to me if there is a higher power or powerS or whatever, they certainly would not have entrusted the job of furthering their ideals to flawed beings with their own agendas like humans.
I say as long as you live and let live, treat as many people as possible with love and respect and nurture yourself - you are golden and needn't worry about where you're headed.
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This furthers solidifies my atheism for me. What a bunch of sick fucks.
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So are you telling me all black men are bad? http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=25806
Every organization has it's loonys, some organizations may be more loony than others, but it doesn't discount an entire group. I mean come on, wasn't it a stripper who helped drug a lottery winner inside a club? So was she a bad apple (as I believe) or just a true representation of dancers?
Now, back OT: The only thing the perp deserves is a bullet to end his life. And keep in mind even though I have my own beliefs, I am a nonjudgmental person, but actions allow judgment. This is a great shame on the CC and the priest (sic) who did this.
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That article is 8 years old and an organization that is supposed to spread the "Good Word," and a bunch of uneducated men who dont have access to sexual education nor main stream educaton for that matter is different. Black men arent an organization and to compare the two is insane. Also, there are cases where white men have raped thier own children, to as young as 8 days old.
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My niece's fathers side are catholic and when I take her to C school or function, I do not see a bunch of uneducated people there. People have more resources available to them, whether or not they use them is up to them.
The comparo insane? How about we just use S African men? Or the dancer example. Dancer helps drug rich dude in a club, some dancers do extras. So, dancers are evil? Immoral? Promiscuous?
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Originally Posted by
glambman
So are you telling me all black men are bad?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=25806
Every organization has it's loonys, some organizations may be more loony than others, but it doesn't discount an entire group. I mean come on, wasn't it a stripper who helped drug a lottery winner inside a club? So was she a bad apple (as I believe) or just a true representation of dancers?
Now, back OT: The only thing the perp deserves is a bullet to end his life. And keep in mind even though I have my own beliefs, I am a nonjudgmental person, but actions allow judgment. This is a great shame on the CC and the priest (sic) who did this.
It's more than a little different. The Catholic Church is an organization, not a race, and this is coming from the top, from this organizations leader. What the pope and bishops decide and say has huge influence in the world. Much more so than the actions of a random black man, or a stripper.
I don't see how anyone could give money to the Catholic Church. Fucking evil.
It says in that article that the CC is defending themselves by saying "life must be protected." Yeah...except for the life of the 9 year old, who could die if she went through with the pregnancy. Just another example of how the CC values the "lives" of fetuses more than woman and girls.
Hopefully this poor girl and her mother will come to realize what a blessing it is to be excommunicated from such a sick organization that would demand a nine year old put life and emotional well being at risk to deliver her rapists baby.
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Organization.......group.........there really is no difference except organization (lol). And even then, there are Catholic churches that are not part of the CC.
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^^^ It's entirely different. There's power and influence involved. This has more far reaching effects than a stripper stealing a wallet. The Catholic Church has a long history of atrocities and devaluing and abusing women, and has had to answer for very little of it.
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No it's not. You're blaming the CC as being an entirely evil group. Yes, they do have antiquated views that are based on man's ideas, and sure, they have done evil, but the same can be said about other groups and organizations.
Just look at Planned Parenthood and its founder M Sanger. Go read her own book, her own speeches. SHe supported Hitlers eugenics plan, she didn't want blacks (poor) to reproduce. Why no decrying her organization like you are the CC.
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The Catholic church is only proving its irrelevance in the modern world with its condemnation of medical science to save the life of a little girl. Excommunication once meant the same thing as being marginalized to a criminal life. Today, when Catholics are excommunicated it means next to nothing. In this case, I'm sure the 9 year old girl will be eternally grateful that she was "excommunicated".
It is kind of sad what has happened within the Catholic Church. Once a mighty and powerful institution is little more than a fringe group with power only in third world countries. In the developed world, practicing Catholics quietly go against church mandates by using birth control or fertility treatments or getting divorced or a myriad of other modern necessities that the church preaches against.
Besides, who excommunicates a child because of the actions of the parents? That's just plain ridiculous!
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Originally Posted by
Paris
Besides, who excommunicates a child because of the actions of the parents? That's just plain ridiculous!
QFT
Who knows, maybe we will start punishing people for being victims of crimes. After all, if they weren't victimized, a crime wouldn't have happened.
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Because whatever her personal views, PP does good work. They are not force sterilizing people against their will. If this was just a matter of one Bishop's opinion, that would be a different story. But it's been acted on, people have been excommunicated.
I already had a dim view of the Catholic Church, largely due to the "Magdalene Asylums" that kept young women against their will and forced them to work in laundries as slave labor, often for many many years or even the duration of their life, all for the "crimes" of having premarital sex, or even the suspicion of it, or for no reason at all. And have they had to answer for it? Or apologize for it? Or give reparations for it? NO. And this was going on into the 1990's.
If the same can be said of other groups, then let it be said. If it's true, then outrage is warranted there too.
I have nothing good to say about a primitive, chauvanistic organization like the CC. They don't value women, and their actions continue to show it. If the CC doesn't want to be seen in that light, then they should reverse the decision. Until they do, I see no reason to excuse them. They don't give a fuck what happens to a raped 9 year old, and they're all going to stick together and support this kind of nonsense.
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Originally Posted by
glambman
QFT
Who knows, maybe we will start punishing people for being victims of crimes. After all, if they weren't victimized, a crime wouldn't have happened.
Actually, having read the article again, the girl is not excommunicated. The mother and the doctors are.