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Erotic Massage - What is this???
This may be a really dumb question. A friend asked me if I was interested in doing erotic massages privately. He seemed to have clients lined up but seemed a little sketchy as to what they expected. I understand the concept of dancing for private parties but I'm confused about erotic massage. I would have no problem dancing or massaging someone sensually (as in being nude/ topless) but I have no desire to give them a happy ending. I also wanted to make sure "erotic massage" isn't a code word for prostitution. Thanks for any help you can give me.
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As far as I'm aware, having read about it online as well as having a friend who did it for a while, it means massage plus a happy ending for the guy ie. a handjob.
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^Yeah. That's what I understand it to be as well.
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Thanks guys! That's kinda what I thought.
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It doesn't have to involve a "happy ending". I have friends that do these and basically they use a lot of scented oils and rub their entire bodies on the customers... like their chests onto the customers' backs. Think of what you would do if you were going to give a really sexy message to your boyfriend or husband... candles, food, and a really great massage - that's pretty much the idea.
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^ This is a possibility...but I think most customers (unless the owner of this business is hyper-screening calls) will come in with the expectation that some kind of happy ending will be provided. I'd be guessing you'd end up being propositioned constantly.
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Personal experience with this one... ahem.
It's like everyone else said, and if you don't offer the happy ending, you will have a lot of pissed off customers and eventually your employer will find out and may ask you to find another job. It is pretty much what's expected.
As for it being code word for prostitution, that depends on whether you consider a hand job prostitution. Additionally, just like in a strip club, there are girls who offer bj and I even worked with one lady who offered full service for select customers. There is also a review board (I forget the name of it) where customers compare "Gigi doesn't give bj's but Ashley does" and so forth.
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these places are common in hi I would never work in one partly becuse im to lazy to give a hand job it takes to long and is boring lol. To be honest its just not my thing but to each there own i quess.
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heidimonster7
As for it being code word for prostitution, that depends on whether you consider a hand job prostitution. Additionally, just like in a strip club, there are girls who offer bj and I even worked with one lady who offered full service for select customers. There is also a review board (I forget the name of it) where customers compare "Gigi doesn't give bj's but Ashley does" and so forth.
By definition, the act of prostitution is being hired to exchange sexual services for money. Are you participating in a sexual act in a hand-job? Yes. Is money changing hands in exchange for the hand job? If the answer is yes, congratulations, you have engaged in prostitution. There is NO gray area here. No matter what the idiots on the review boards will try to convince you of. Know the laws and watch out for yourself.
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n.
- The act or practice of engaging in sex acts for hire.
- The act or an instance of offering or devoting one's talent to an unworthy use or cause.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prostitution
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vivianbear
By definition, the act of prostitution is being hired to exchange sexual services for money. Are you participating in a sexual act in a hand-job? Yes. Is money changing hands in exchange for the hand job? If the answer is yes, congratulations, you have engaged in prostitution. There is NO gray area here. No matter what the idiots on the review boards will try to convince you of. Know the laws and watch out for yourself.
Yep, that's right. I think it should be stressed that the criminal charge for giving a hand job is the EXACT same charge as full on intercourse when it comes to prostitution. So, people should be aware of that going in.
Also, giving someone a nude sensual massage is considered prostitution in most places in the U.S.. It may be legal somewhere, but I'm not aware of it. There is the additional charge of performing a massage without a license as well which I know is applicable in Nevada and in California. So, you can actually have more legal trouble and fines for giving massages than just straight up prostituting yourself.
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vivianbear
By definition, the act of prostitution is being hired to exchange sexual services for money. Are you participating in a sexual act in a hand-job? Yes. Is money changing hands in exchange for the hand job?
If the answer is yes, congratulations, you have engaged in prostitution. There is NO gray area here. No matter what the idiots on the review boards will try to convince you of. Know the laws and watch out for yourself.
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http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/dictiona...on_default.gif
n.
- The act or practice of engaging in sex acts for hire.
- The act or an instance of offering or devoting one's talent to an unworthy use or cause.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prostitution
Yeah I agree. Some of the ladies I worked with tried to spin it as "tantra", or sexual healing work. That really got under my skin, so I didn't stay long. Maybe ONE person there was doing SOME tantra...otherwise, I say call it what it is and don't hide behind a spiritual practice they know nothing about... But that's a rant for another time.
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Thanks for everyone's responses. I'm not planning on doing it. It all seems too sketchy the guy that asked me if I was interested in doing it doesn't run a legit business. He also seemed confused about what clients expected. I have no need to put myself in any kind of situation that might be dangerous or illegal. But thanks for your help!
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MarvelGirl
Yep, that's right. I think it should be stressed that the criminal charge for giving a hand job is the EXACT same charge as full on intercourse when it comes to prostitution. So, people should be aware of that going in.
Also, giving someone a nude sensual massage is considered prostitution in most places in the U.S.. It may be legal somewhere, but I'm not aware of it. There is the additional charge of performing a massage without a license as well which I know is applicable in Nevada and in California. So, you can actually have more legal trouble and fines for giving massages than just straight up prostituting yourself.
You are right... I think the term I normally see it marketed as is "sensual body rubs". A lot of the girls have escort licenses though, and some have gone to massage school. The interesting thing that I found out through an acquaintance of mine is that once you get charged with prostitution you can not legally become a massage therapist in most states. They'll let you go through school for it, but the licensing board won't give you a license or whatever to practice legally.
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Kylea2
It doesn't have to involve a "happy ending". I have friends that do these and basically they use a lot of scented oils and rub their entire bodies on the customers... like their chests onto the customers' backs. Think of what you would do if you were going to give a really sexy message to your boyfriend or husband... candles, food, and a really great massage - that's pretty much the idea.
your friends would leave a guy all messed up like that? really? wow... that'd be an ultimate tease!
for what it's worth- in my area, an erotic massage is a massage that starts like described above and moves over towards the hand job or body slide (basically a nude on nude lay down lap dance with some sort of std protection) to the 'happy ending' ie, his messy orgasm.
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I've never heard of an erotic massage that didn't end in some type of, shall we say, discharge. I know there are shops in my town that are being shut down because they keep getting busted for prostitution. I'd say it's a work at your own risk opportunity ... I'm sure it can be good money, but I'm also sure that (in most cases anyway) you are probably breaking the law.
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My gf retired from dancing and works in a "jack shack". It's actually really nice inside ( I went to visit her one day but left when her custie arrived), she said when she first started she was making on average $300 a day but now it's more like $150-$200. This is better than most of the clubs right now but not worth it to me .
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Gia2608
My gf retired from dancing and works in a "jack shack". It's actually really nice inside ( I went to visit her one day but left when her custie arrived), she said when she first started she was making on average $300 a day but now it's more like $150-$200. This is better than most of the clubs right now but not worth it to me .
*coughs* She's making what? $150-$200 a day working at a jack shack?? I'd rather go shake my ass at a club somewhere.. She has no clue what she's doing.. (Please don't take it personally)
I once worked at a massage parlor. I made $150 for 30 minutes and $200 for the hour PER client plus tips (I got sweet $60-$100 tips). I gave the owner of the place $50 everytime I had an appointment. I averaged about 4-5 guys a day (some were super HOT :P)
The environment: Luxe 2 bedroom apartment with massage table, oils, tip jar, small tv with porn playing and soft music. I was working with three other girls there and STILL banked. The dining room was the "office" and the living room was the "lounge" area
When a customer came in we would line up and he'd pick who he wanted to give him a massage then pay up front.. then off we went. I'd get picked most of the time ..they just couldn't resist the boobage.. lol!
Very lucrative job .. I wish she didn't shut the place down.
I'd give a handjob and make $100 for 30 minutes before I go shake my ass at a club..
Just my $0.02
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Hm, yeah, I did that for a while. If I was making less than $200 a day, it was because I only had 1-2 customers, know what I mean?
In my opinion, for a service as special as sensual massage, one ought to be making more than what a cocktail server makes...
If this is going on in a strip club, well, I don't know much about the norms there. But in places that are designated for sensual bodywork exclusively, I would assume the pay would be better.
Perhaps your friend could shop around for a better "company", or go independent?
Hint: many (but not all) places who advertise "tantric" bodywork are actually glorified sensual massage parlours, and the money can be EXCELLENT depending on how you market your "healing" services. It's not hard to do a little online research on chakras and shit to really work the metaphysical angle into your services. Sad but true.
Wish her luck for me...
ETA: Oops, just realized this is an old post. No wonder it seemed familiar...
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Hmm, this is interesting. It would seem that the difference between lapdance and handjob are HUGE right? Naked versus clothed, release versus non-release. But guys come in their pants with me from time to time, and I've been known to stick shift a little....I don't feel that stays with me or affects me because of the barriers, and because I was in control of it. I'm more traumatized when someone wants to grap my hips and thrust upon me.
So I think there is a notable difference between handjobs and giving oral/full sex because you are no longer manipulating something to your own liking, it is penetrating YOU, and that can have a way different residual effect.
So for me, it has to do with control. If I had to pick either giving dances only to customers who were rude and would control my body, thrusting and humping on me OR customers that laid passively while I jerked them off. I would choose the latter. Luckily there are lapdance customers who will sit passively! Thoughts?
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Marilynxoxo
This may be a really dumb question. A friend asked me if I was interested in doing erotic massages privately. He seemed to have clients lined up but seemed a little sketchy as to what they expected. I understand the concept of dancing for private parties but I'm confused about erotic massage. I would have no problem dancing or massaging someone sensually (as in being nude/ topless) but I have no desire to give them a happy ending. I also wanted to make sure "erotic massage" isn't a code word for prostitution. Thanks for any help you can give me.
Take heed of everyone's answers!
Historically - the term 'Erotic Massage Parlour' has meant Brothel. In recent years they have been disguised by more massage than sex in many instances - but at the end of the day - you WILL be expected to provide a 'Sexual Service'. A 'H-J', or 'happy ending' IS a Sexual Service - and so the Laws against this apply, as do the Penalties.
The fact that this 'guy' is shady about his business and doesn't seem to operate in a legitimate way should be deterrent enough for you.
Be warned........
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I was thinking about doing this once but a girlfriend changed my mind.
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Ive been thinking about doing this to supplement my club income. I dont have a problem jerking a guy off because at least I know he's there to spend money for sure, not like in a club where you have to spend so much time and effort selling people. If you do it right, it shouldnt take that long :)
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21stcenturyfox
Ive been thinking about doing this to supplement my club income. I dont have a problem jerking a guy off because at least I know he's there to spend money for sure, not like in a club where you have to spend so much time and effort selling people. If you do it right, it shouldnt take that long :)
In theory I understand this, but I still feel like any time you have personal boundaries, you'll have to deal with customers who want you to do more. So your new struggle, instead of hustling guys, would be telling guys that you can't do oral, or sex, etc. I'm thinking that in this economy, most girls working these jobs are doing a lot more than jerking guys off.
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charlie61
In theory I understand this, but I still feel like any time you have personal boundaries, you'll have to deal with customers who want you to do more. So your new struggle, instead of hustling guys, would be telling guys that you can't do oral, or sex, etc. I'm thinking that in this economy, most girls working these jobs are doing a lot more than jerking guys off.
False.
I have to disagree Charlie
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I worked as a body rub specialist before and I had VERY few guys ask for oral or anything else. The men that came in knew exactly what it was and our house mom did a great job of screening the clients. The men were always nice to me. One time I was giving a massage and he was getting really into the porno that was playing on tv and he started to rub my legs and I slapped his hand and he stopped. It was a very short gig (3-4 months) but it was hella fun and never did I once perform any extra service.
I know a lot of FBSM providers in the area. I know very few that have sex or do extras with the guys that come in to see them. A lady can be succesful at this without providing extra services.
A massage girl is a massage girl. There is no reason why they should be fucking or sucking anything. This is why FBSM rates are 280 and lower for the hour.
Sn: I did this while I was preggerz (I was also VERY pregnant/clearly showing) and I banked. There was no way I was going to fuck those men nope hell no!
Oh and just fyi: A girl does not need to have sex to make money at all in this business. FBSM providers that have sex with their custies are just braindead and have no marketing skills at all. Just like strippers shouldn't fuck their custies .. a massage girl shouldn't fuck theirs.