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RACISM in the Strip Club??
Before anyone gets ticked :bomb: off, this thread is just to bring up an elephant in the room that nobody talks about, but it's very much there.
I understand there are specifically 'black' clubs, but no specifically white ones, which is discriminatory on its face.
I have also talked to NUMEROUS dancers who will not under any circumstances approach a huge LIST of ethnicity based stereotypes and when I ask them why, it's because of a bad experience or something that happens a lot with that particular group of folks.
I know of clubs that play certain music in order to attract/deter certain patrons (country music and no urban music, for example)
Another thread had some of this discussion in it, so I started this one specifically about it.
Ladies: Please use this thread to explain why (without being derogatory, please) you wouldn't approach a person of a certain ethnic group or what it is you are afraid of. What happened that made you write off that group?
Also: if you are a non-white dancer, tell us about your experiences. I have heard many times that it's hard to get hired at some clubs if you aren't white.
Guys: Have you experienced or seen racism happen in the clubs? I personally have been discriminated against in a club for my race. What happened to you?
Please be respectful and just have a discussion. This isn't meant to hurt anyone's feelings or stir up problems. If we are ever going to change, we have to put it out in the open.:)
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Times have changed. The language barrier is the only thing that will keep me from a customer. Even then, I will try to mime "dance?" I will take notice of what type of dancer a table seems to be attracted to.
I don't think it's racism to be sexually attracted to a certain body type, skin tone, or other racially defined feature. We can make everyone in the world play nice, but it's asking a lot to make people feel bad for what turns them on.
As for clubs, I don't see them based on race, just economic potential, level of safety, and level of contact. For instance, I'm not going to go to the all nude gangsta club up the street because they do extras there and their patrons shoot guns as they drive by my club.
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goreantx
I don't think it's racism to be sexually attracted to a certain body type, skin tone, or other racially defined feature. We can make everyone in the world play nice, but it's asking a lot to make people feel bad for what turns them on.
I used to prefer White and Hispanic girls,... I also prefer them petite, thin waist, big curvy boobs and curvy ass. I'm not racist, but that was just my preference.
However, a Black dancer might have changed this a bit. She sat down uninvited and chatted with me for a while. I wasn't going to buy a dance, but she was classy, a good conversationalist, had a very nice personality and was very sexy, so I couldn't resist. (She was a good hustler and proudly bragged about her hustling skills, saying she was doing better than the White girls in the club because the White girls did not hustle - It was true, they all stayed in the bar area.) She was the first Black girl I've ever kissed (lips only) and she fondled me... So, I like Black dancers now.:)
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Donovan28
I understand there are specifically 'black' clubs, but no specifically white ones, which is discriminatory on its face.
I would like to dispute this, before everyone jumps all over you. Have you ever been to a "black" club? Nothing is stopping non-black dancers or customers to work and patronize these places. They are just modeled after certain styles of music, dance, and body types that appeal to a certain sub-culture. BTW, this urban sub-culture is popular all over the world. But there doesn't need to be a a "white" club, because nothing is preventing non-white people from patronizing and working in primarily "white" clubs.
With that said, there is a shit-ton of blatant racism in the strip clubs, in regards to hiring quotas.
Myself: as a dancer, I always approached everyone, and had no trouble with any ethnic group more than the other. Where I primarily dance, we do have a blue-collar ethnic minoritiy from a more, ahem, 'machismo' culture. A smart dancer will learn how to maintain control with these kind of men. They have money to spend, so its bad business to ignore them.
As a customer: come one come all, I don't care where you come from or what color you are. I just love sexy wimminz!
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Well, where I live there is a specific white club, Babydoll's. They play country music every third song, and classic rock every sixth. Absolutely no hip hop or rap! They try to make it as non urban as possible, but it's a mixture of white men, and various blue collar ethnicities. It's the least expensive cover, so it gets busy with a diverse demographic.
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I will not deal with customers who do not speak fluent english unless they are there with a friend who is translating for them. I've had too many guys try to use the language barrier as an excuse to assault me.
I also avoid young black guys unless they are alone and acting like customers, not wanna be pimps. They always try to pick me up, refuse to buy dances, and sometimes will follow me around interrupting my interactions with other customers to the point where I have to go get a bouncer.
As for racism from club staff, I've been told a few times that I couldn't go home because there weren't enough white girls working.
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oh god...... must... not...comment.... ahhh
its killing me not to get heated
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MarvelGirl
I also avoid young black guys unless they are alone and acting like customers, not wanna be pimps. They always try to pick me up, refuse to buy dances, and sometimes will follow me around interrupting my interactions with other customers to the point where I have to go get a bouncer.
Yeah... at my club the black guys are usually really good customers. I've only met one table that were there trying to get phone numbers. That's why I think it's more the club's economic level than a race issue.
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I'm not racist. All money is green.
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goreantx
Yeah... at my club the black guys are usually really good customers. I've only met one table that were there trying to get phone numbers. That's why I think it's more the club's economic level than a race issue.
If that was reality here, I would happily approach them. But, from what I've seen, 9 out of 10 black guys under 30 in a Las Vegas strip club wanna "holla" at you and get offended when you try to get money out of them. I just don't need that.
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Donovan28
Before anyone gets ticked :bomb: off, this thread is just to bring up an elephant in the room that nobody talks about, but it's very much there.
I have also talked to NUMEROUS dancers who will not under any circumstances approach a huge LIST of ethnicity based stereotypes and when I ask them why, it's because of a bad experience or something that happens a lot with that particular group of folks.
This behavior is normal and is how the brain functions. The brain collects data and makes decisions based on multiple experiences; it's called learning. If you put your hand on a hot stove, you learn not to do that again. The dancers are justified in their stereotypes.
Most dancers and customers prefer to be around members of their own race and that's normal, natural, and healthy.
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I know of clubs that play certain music in order to attract/deter certain patrons (country music and no urban music, for example)
Nothing wrong with that.
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Guys: Have you experienced or seen racism happen in the clubs? I personally have been discriminated against in a club for my race. What happened to you?
Most black clubs don't want whites in their clubs so you should avoid going there. They want to be with their own kind. I went to a black club once and the racism and hatred of whitey was so thick that you could cut it with a knife. I'm not offended that blacks wanted to be in an all black club and that they didn't want other races there.
There are, of course, exceptions to the rule about dancers and customer's preferences, but the majority of people will self segregate. Please don't bring up multiple examples of exceptions to the rule.
Go into the lunchroom of any school with different races and they mostly self segregate.
I'm sick of PC assholes (not speaking of the OP) who want to force different races together who don't want to be together.
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Saddly I have formed a bad sterotype of East Indian men when I worked in San Francisco. 9 out of 10 times they were aggressive to the point that I either kicked them out of me booth or if they were small I would restrain them them by painful inserting my knees into the spot between their shoulder and chest. Then I'd just hold them there and tell them they were being rude and so on... It got to the point that I would only ask them for dances if I was desperate or they asked me. And I was always on guard, ready punch them in the nuts. Which I have. But I have also found that I don't have that problem now that I'm not on SF. I know SF is aggressive but these guys were beyond. I had dancers of every other ethnicity share the same feeling with me. Other than that, I'm a little wary of groups of young men who seem too rowdy and older guys with too much cologne. I find these guys are also grabby. I have worked in clubs where dancers complain when there is more than a 40% black girl ratio. Actually it's usually the black girls that have been there longer that are upset. They tell me that the club doesn't have the clientel to support the percentage and it's really hurting their money. But I can't speak to that with any evidence. Just hear say from other dancers. Honestly, I think that management is one of the biggest problems. They never want to fire girls for letting themselves go and it seems hiring standards have slipped Big Time! Just hire Hot Dancers regardless of race and I think a club would do better than worrying about having too many this or that.
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All I want to say without opening a big ugly can of worms is that white guys give me, BY FAR, the least drama. Sorry, but that's the way it is.
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Originally Posted by
Donovan28
Ladies: Please use this thread to explain why (without being derogatory, please) you wouldn't approach a person of a certain ethnic group or what it is you are afraid of. What happened that made you write off that group?
Also: if you are a non-white dancer, tell us about your experiences. I have heard many times that it's hard to get hired at some clubs if you aren't white.
Guys: Have you experienced or seen racism happen in the clubs? I personally have been discriminated against in a club for my race. What happened to you?
You seem to like putting up these poll-like things. That's fine. You mind using "dancers/customers" instead of "ladies/guys" for your questions? There are some of us lady customers on this site.
Thank you
sincerely,
Lady Customer
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You know, I'm glad someone started this thread. Kudos. It's there and it's not a big secret. I worked at a club that fired like 4 black girls atonce (2 of whom were very good friends of mine) and said it was a weight issue, when clearly there were "white" girls (myslef included) that were there size or bigger, who weren't fired. I also have seen black girls turned away many times when any white girls gets hired. I think it's BS because I don't think that someone's sexual "worthiness" is balanced on their race but club owners, unfortunately do and take that bs as gospel.
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The same thing I said in the other thread I posted is valid in this thread as well.
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JayATee
It's not a racist thing to have given the benefit of the doubt to ppl after neg experiences, and found the same types of behavior to be common among particular groups after repeated encounters with them.
Tonight was no exception for me. If you're looking to erradicate racism, stop behaving in a manner that perpetuates the stereotypes that exist (Im talking customers here not dancers).
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I have almost never done well with asians or middle eastern customers, with rare exception, so I don't normally approach them without a signal or direct invitation. I get the most hassle (dance mileage expectations) from older white men so they score low on my approach list. Foreigners of any race, but especially european, middle eastern and latin men who aren't from the US and haven't spent much time here have almost always wanted cheap sex rather than dances or expensive VIP so they also score low on my approach list.
However, I target customers based on a variety of criteria, and race is generally a minor factor. My biggest factor is whether he's checking me out, calling me over, or tipped me well on stage - always go for the easy sale first ;D I usually get a lot of guys inviting me or otherwise signaling, so I don't spend a lot of time approaching cold.
The only customers I actively avoid are women of any race. I don't avoid anyone who invites me to the table or asks for a dance based on race, only gender ;)
Women are almost always a huge pain in the ass, not worth the trouble. Ridiculous expectations, think they're supposed to get away with everything, insecure with their men, uptight bitches, aggressive attention-seeking, rude, etc.
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Gia2608
You know, I'm glad someone started this thread. Kudos. It's there and it's not a big secret. I worked at a club that fired like 4 black girls atonce (2 of whom were very good friends of mine) and said it was a weight issue, when clearly there were "white" girls (myslef included) that were there size or bigger, who weren't fired. I also have seen black girls turned away many times when any white girls gets hired. I think it's BS because I don't think that someone's sexual "worthiness" is balanced on their race but club owners, unfortunately do and take that bs as gospel.
I have known quite a few black dancers who said they didn't make enough money in clubs with too many black girls working. Obviously not talking about "black" clubs. In some of my travel clubs, there are always black girls who won't work certain clubs or weeks if they know there are already "too many" black girls working. To me, that says a lot.
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i dont discriminate based on what i think of the custie but i do off of the likely hood of how much they will like me.
I dont approach asians ever, they probably are happy about this. I have dark skin, hair, eyes, and even at my most anorexic may be to heavyset for them to like. I dont have any stereotypes about how they behave or anything just about what they like...and i in my heart feel it isnt me.
Everyone else i approach regardless of what i think.
Black guys love me. I do champagne rooms w/ them and get tipped well.This week i got rained on a hundred bucks 3 times by groups of young black guys that i didnt want to approach (mostly cuz of their age and stupid outfits-matching straw hats and white t-shirts).
White men old , young, city, urban, whatever....i have to try it to know.
Latin men love me and in the states i get lots of money from them.
Ironically i make my most money off of white men-and have the most problems with white men...as they are who i have most encountered in my career.
I honestly see $ in every custie. You have to try.
last week a filipino that i was afraid to dance infront of spend $200 bucks on me in less than 15 minutes from his crazy stage and lapdance tipping....kept saying how he loved my big ass. I was very shocked. But it happened.
This should probably be in hustle hut but i really want to spout off about this: i see american dancers discriminate based on race in Puerto Rico ALOT, its not a problem for me-but what they arent getting is that all those stereotypes should be thrown out when it comes to tourists in that area...i mean they obviously can afford a vacation, have a gov/federal/military / or computer related job...and they have money to spend. Take it and forget about how black guys at "home" act. Youre not at home these black american men bought plan tickets have paid leave credit cards and are staying at the same fancy hotels as the rest of the tourists. Ex. a black man was spending less money than his peers and was younger than his white computer coworkers..i straight up asked why. He was the supervisor. He was harder to get money out of...but i ended up getting ALOT of it when i did get it. All my dancer friends admitted shock that he was a supervisor , they typed him as a broke grunt worker. On his b-day i talked him into several vip rooms and he would only buy the good champagne. He also said that hed only do rooms w/ me cuz he found the value to be worth it over lapdances in the scheme of things.
Same with the youngings: take that vacation fund and put it to good use! :0)
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Ms. Mia Roberts
oh god...... must... not...comment.... ahhh
its killing me not to get heated
He specifically said.........
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Originally Posted by
Donovan28
Before anyone gets ticked :bomb: off, this thread is just to bring up an elephant in the room that nobody talks about, but it's very much there.
This isn't meant to hurt anyone's feelings or stir up problems.
There is nothing offensive being said in this thread. People are simply discussing things. No one has said anything for you to get so wound up over. If you are getting so "heated".....you are taking things way too far....for your sake, relax. You are gonna become one very angry person if you continue to take every little thing personal.
You also made a comment in another thread I was involved in (the booty shaking thread) about things being said were "ignorant" .....which I assumed I was a part of....and NOTHING I said was offensive, racist, or ignorant. I stated FACTS that I have experienced first-hand.
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We don't really get all that many Asian or Indian guys in my club. We get Middle-Eastern guys on occasion. But we'll get lots of Mexican guys, especially during the summer around the Saratoga track season. And I stay away from these. There will be a group of like three of them, and they'll be dressed really poorly, and they'll be greasy, like they haven't showered in awhile. They typically get hired to take care of the horses at the track, so it's like they just came straight in from work without bathing. They act like they barely speak English, but they don't realize I understand a good portion of Spanish, and I am consistently horribly offended by the shit they say about us when they think we won't understand. They seem to think that buying a $25 lap dance (without tipping) means we will get them off somehow--usually they will get really grabby and try to force us to grind on them really hard. And stereotypically, Hispanic guys love blondes. And I'm like one of the only blondes at my club. So they will just come walking up to me with a token, and then I have to do the dance.
However, if just one Hispanic guy comes in, and is clean and respectful, even if he doesn't speak very good English, I don't have a problem. It's the groups of Mexicans that consistently promote the stereotype.
As for black guys, when they're in groups, they don't really like me that much. Though individual black guys have no problems, and I treat them as I would anyone else.
I guess I don't really discriminate on race, just on stereotype. And if guys are in a group, they are more likely to adapt to that stereotype than they would if on their own.
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I never approach black guys because they tend not to find me their type. Same with Asians. Eastern Indian men really like me, but I have had copious negative experiences with them: grabby-ness, very licky, practice poor personal hygiene. I always approach Hispanic men, because a) The ones who are FOB always have cash and b) I find Latino men very attractive. I'd say I get a 75-25 success/fail rate with them.
Honestly, I think it helps to know your demographic, whatever it may be. Honestly for me, it seems to be middle aged white guys mostly.
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Donovan28
Ladies: Please use this thread to explain why (without being derogatory, please) you wouldn't approach a person of a certain ethnic group or what it is you are afraid of. What happened that made you write off that group?
For me it's not so much being afraid to approach a certain type of guy, but the fact that certain types of guys tend to like me more and sometimes I need to prioritize my time and energy and so will approach certain guys FIRST who I think are more likely to be into me.
I am MORE likely to approach young Indian men because for some reason they spend a ton of money on me (I think it's because I look Indian? At least they seem to think I do)
And I am more likely to approach older white men because, statistically, older white males have more money, and they think I look "exotic" and so they'll peg me as being a certain race but I defy their preconceptions of what that race should be acting like once I open my mouth and start talking about bluegrass or whatever, which they seem to find interesting.
Non-Southern guys (of any race/ethnicity i suppose) like me because I'm from Miami and therefore, like them, don't have a Southern accent, and can relate to spending time in NY or being from an urban environment (my club is in a small city in NC and all the locals have accents, including most of the dancers.
Most of the Mexican guys who come into my club have a hard time with English and I have a hard time with spanish so our conversations kinda suck.
A group of Japanese men bought dances from me recently and I had a great time hanging out with them even though their english wasn't too great- i suspect it's because most of the girls didn't wanna try selling to them.
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Also: if you are a non-white dancer, tell us about your experiences. I have heard many times that it's hard to get hired at some clubs if you aren't white.
I'm a non-white dancer. Wasn't hard to get hired at my club cuz it was all-white with a couple of black girls, and 1 asian girl, so I guess I filled that little niche of the token exotic/Hispanic/mixed/maybe-Indian-but-who-knows dancer, lol. Though i have heard from black dancers that its really hard for them to get hired sometimes
When I waitressed at a stripclub in miami i know i got preferential treatment for being lighter-skinned than the black dancers (most of the dancers were black even though it was not meant to be a "black club", and all the bosses were white) and saw a lot of racism against black girls
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SerenaSin
I am MORE likely to approach young Indian men because for some reason they spend a ton of money on me (I think it's because I look Indian? At least they seem to think I do)
I wouldn't dance for Indian guys before my baby, because they always seemed grabby, cheap, and acted like I was going to sleep with them later.
Now I can just sit on their lap and milk myself (secret weapon, breast milk drops; gross? well, whatever works) and they'll do whatever it takes to keep the show up. I get $30 a dance from them and they won't touch after a warning.