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Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the mood
Ok so the mood is great: supersexy, he's incredibly into you and is getting dances back to back. It's almost at a $100 and I wanna collect before I keep going, so I don't get screwed over later.
How do I asked to get paid without seeming greedy, nervous, distrusting, or whatever. You guys know what I mean. ;D
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Re: Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the moo
:-* just get the money.. better safe than sorry. Then move him to VIP.
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Re: Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the moo
I guess she's asking HOW to go about this.. It's a good question cuz I get to about 3 and I'm like damn, how can I get him to say yes to more, but still pay me now
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Re: Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the moo
there's the ever famous 'club rules require that customers must pay after every 3 dances ... every $100 ... whatever'. Custys usually buy into this without a lot of hassle.
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Re: Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the moo
I play "feed the meter"
Establish the rules of the game upfront. After every $100 he has to feed the meter (stick the money in cleavage, garter, or gstring) or else the meter police are going to tow him outta VIP (or where ever you are)
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Re: Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the moo
^^^^ That's a good one!
I know some girls who either collect the 20$ up front before each dance (I don't like this method at all) or who stop after each one to collect the money. I always ask after the first dance, "Do you want me to keep going?" It's a simple non salesy question, and most of the time I get a "Yes". After the next one or two, I will re confirm with the guy, "Ok, this is number 3" or whatever. I always stop after five and say something like, "Ok, that's five, do you want to go ahead and pay me and we'll keep going?" or something along those lines.
If a guy has already invested 100$ to me, I will tell him something like, "Do you want to go somewhere more private?" or, "Do you want to go upstairs?" depending on the club and where the VIP is located. I always ask before we ever even do the first dance, "Do you want to dance here or in the VIP?" If the guys says no at first, but then proceeds to buy 100$ worth of dances, I ALWAYS ask him again. Who knows, maybe he changed his mind two dances into it. If he's hesitant about it all, I mention that fact that it would be less expensive upstairs because he will pay for a block of time versus each dance, and that will give him a discount. It's total b.s. sometimes, but sometimes it really is better for the customer to buy one hour for 400$, that way he will get 400$ worth of dances, AND privacy.
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Re: Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the moo
As wet behind the ears stripper I have both had this issue and received good advice regarding it...sometimes too late or forgotten in the heat of things...
I actually have been ripped off by a guy who seemed TOTALLY into me... $100 worth!
I must say there might have been a few warning signs, perhaps only in hindsight... Like he did not want to go to the ATM after 3 or 4 songs and instead got 'clingy', saying 'no lets stay here'...I got to $100 worth of songs and he called it 'enough'... when we got to the ATM (which admittedly is a nasty piece of crap that gives error messages 7 out of 10 times and does so Repeatedly per customer)... at this point I would look away from the number pad and the usual 'error' messages happened a few times, then after telling me he had alot of money in the account and that he made a lot on money per hour, he balked at the 10% banking fee and canceled a $200 withdrawal. He then (again after more machine 'errors') he punched in $100...
At this point it got 'interesting' (read as fishy)... Having heard the various beep sounds of this machine and others; it is usually possible to distinguish the sound of the numbers being pressed and other 'function' buttons. The sound of the 'Cancel' seems to also be distinct in addition to te sound of the machine ejecting the card.
At least 5 times in quick succession he would start at the beginning
(interrupted by error messages) and then I'd hear the sound of the cancel button. At which time he would tell me that the Machine had canceled the transaction. I would then feel free to look at the screen, at which point he would 'try again' before I could read the screen. Finally he said that he was going to get the money from his buddy.
I know I Totally dropped the ball at this point. It was just like fucked up a slow-mo where I lamily followed him outside where he proceeded to trot over to a car at the far end of the parking lot where I can just see 'his buddy'...I in 6'' stilettos examining his path across a pothole and cracked riddled pavement realized that he was not just getting money from his buddy but making a brake for it!!
Some Advice:
The one manager had compounded this crap by telling me (when I asked about it) NOT to ask for 'Collateral'... Most of the girls have since told me to fuck the advice of that manager and insist on collateral. Preferably Driver's License and or other piece of important hard/expensive to replace ID. Which is often a better then an expensive coat or something and especially in warmer times more likely to be carried. A piece of real jewelery also being good. LMAO Like a wedding ring!;P
In the past I have 'passed the buck' by telling a drunk customer that it is 'house rules' that we get the money either upfront (which is true in some clubs) or in small increments'...it is up to the level of alcohol and or gullibility and or ur believability as to the chance of this excuse working.
In both cases, playing cutesy, playful even apologetic (blame management), keeps it light, especially if this is your 'character'.
Adding a pinch of 'I will get in trouble if I don't', or 'well I have got ripped off in the past so this is now my personal policy for money over X'' putting a wee bit of subtle pressure on the would-be guilty and garner sympathy from the honest.
Part of the job description of the bouncer is to help protect the interests and body of the staff, including the dancers. If you sense you are going to have troubles with the customer at any point, i'd suggest finding a way to get the attention of one of the bouncers or a manager... If you are on good terms with other girls I'd suggest coming up with some sort of code word or signal which can be given to one who happen to be near by who can then find a bouncer/manager even wandering DJ. This would also be handy for other sorts of misbehaving customers (or staff). A nice tip in their hands after would not only be a great thank-you but also help insure future assistance. Naturally returning the favor upon request.
Cheers
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Re: Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the moo
If you are in a club that is good about taking credit cards and doesn't charge too high of a fee to you, the dancer, I'd suggest telling the guy,
" We're approaching a hundred bucks, you might want to/do you want to put it on your credit card (?)so then we can keep going and not have to worry about keeping track"
Keep the 'we' terminology in there so that it is framed as a shared activity you are engaging in ad not something he is solely handing his wallet over. It shows you are thinking more about uninterrupted time with him and less about the $ amount, even though you totally are, you're just getting him to look at in terms of 'liquid' and not solid cash.
It's easier to get a guy to keep spending if he is using or can use his credit card.If he is up to $100 in dances already, he is an ideal candidate and may as well be persuaded into adding a few more bills in there!.
This worked very well for me on Friday night with a guy who used his card to get chips (they can only get them in $100 increments) and he got $200 or $300 worth (He got dances with another girl later on using chips as well).
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Re: Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the moo
Oh, and before I even go to the lap dance room, if the guy mentions he needs to 'go to the atm first' I always tell him, " No, no...after, it's cool"..and they typically get more dances than they would have had they gone to the ATM up front.
If they go to the ATM beforehand, they may pull out more than $20, but then they may budget only one or two dances for you and save the rest on other dancers, which cuts into your own money making ability!
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Re: Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the moo
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Originally Posted by
Melonie
there's the ever famous 'club rules require that customers must pay after every 3 dances ... every $100 ... whatever'. Custys usually buy into this without a lot of hassle.
This is good, I'll try this. I hope it works for me. We'll see!
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Originally Posted by
britneyireland
I play "feed the meter"
Establish the rules of the game upfront. After every $100 he has to feed the meter (stick the money in cleavage, garter, or gstring) or else the meter police are going to tow him outta VIP (or where ever you are)
I'll try this one too. I'm usually in a sensuous, mysterious mood, so "feeding the meter" wouldn't go with the flow. But when I'm hyper I'll try it! Do you have any other suggestions?
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Originally Posted by
london
Oh, and before I even go to the lap dance room, if the guy mentions he needs to 'go to the atm first' I always tell him, " No, no...after, it's cool"..and they typically get more dances than they would have had they gone to the ATM up front.
If they go to the ATM beforehand, they may pull out more than $20, but then they may budget only one or two dances for you and save the rest on other dancers, which cuts into your own money making ability!
Good point!
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Re: Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the moo
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Originally Posted by
london
Oh, and before I even go to the lap dance room, if the guy mentions he needs to 'go to the atm first' I always tell him, " No, no...after, it's cool"..and they typically get more dances than they would have had they gone to the ATM up front.
If they go to the ATM beforehand, they may pull out more than $20, but then they may budget only one or two dances for you and save the rest on other dancers, which cuts into your own money making ability!
Yep, I always say, "Don't worry, I trust you!" I don't really, but I know that I will kick their ass if they try to run off without paying me!
Lapdances are impulse buys. I don't want the customer to have time to change his mind.
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Re: Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the moo
Exactly! You want to get him back there first because a) if he likes you , b) knows you 'trust' him to pay and then c) he likes your dances, you will be able to: stack them up and you don't have to be 'budgeted for' before you've even shown him how awesome your dances are.
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Re: Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the moo
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Originally Posted by
london
Oh, and before I even go to the lap dance room, if the guy mentions he needs to 'go to the atm first' I always tell him, " No, no...after, it's cool"..and they typically get more dances than they would have had they gone to the ATM up front.
I get that but thats taking a pretty big risk..... He could run up more dances than he can afford and then your shit out of luck.
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Re: Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the moo
It depends on the club how I would respond. If the bouncers are great and will collect in case he doesn't pay, then just remind him how many dances he's gotten and keep going.
If the bouncers don't do a thing if you get ripped off, I'd ask for $20, or whatever the per dance fee is, up front (if I didn't know the guy), and then keep going as long as he wanted. If he is willing to pay for the first dance, then collecting for subsequent dances is pretty easy.
How I would handle it was I would take the customer by the hand to the lap dance area, and ask for the 1st $20 while the waiting for a new song to begin. I'd also snuggle and flirt with him after he paid, and I'd leave the $20 on the table, because I hadn't actually danced yet, so it hadn't actually been earn yet. That gives the customer a chance to trust me to not rip him off, either.
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Re: Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the moo
Good point, Pure, but these guys are guys I've watched for a little bit and who have been buying dances or multiple drinks with their card or cash. I usually will wait until theyre going for their card when we are about to head towards the lap area. I have yet to be stiffed on credit or debit card customers *knock on wood*.
I've been stiffed a few times by guys who had only cash on them. Our club is good about making a copy of the guy's card and having him sign so that if there is a probem with it going through, they wll offer to have him call his bank or credit card company or they will charge the card on the next day.
I had one situation with a guy reaching his daily limit on his card but I kept my cool and he called the card company and they raised his limit...twice,because he kept dancing with me after the first transaction! (He ended up spending about 2300 on his credit card, $1600 of which went to me)
Another guy who came in for the first time ever 'was unaware' that he had to pay per song. He conveniently 'forgot' that I kept asking him if he wanted me to continue at each song and reminded him how many dances we were doing. His friends were allowed to leave their I.D. while he stayed put, go to the bank, and pull out money to pay for the dances.
All in all, management at my clubs have been fairly proactive in getting money for dancers that is due to them, especially us dancers who have worked there for a long time. They know that we clearly explain how many dances are being done.
Furthermore, 1) the bouncers keep track and let us know how many dances we are doing with each guy when asked and 2) the dj constantly chimes in that each song is x amount of dollars during EVERY song).
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Re: Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the moo
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Originally Posted by
london
Exactly! You want to get him back there first because a) if he likes you , b) knows you 'trust' him to pay and then c) he likes your dances, you will be able to: stack them up and you don't have to be 'budgeted for' before you've even shown him how awesome your dances are.
I tend to go by this practice as well. I want to get him back there and keep him in a trance and keep racking up dances. I have only rarely had trouble getting the guy to pay up afterwards. If I get one idiot a month that tries to or ends up not paying me, it's still worth it to me to keep racking them up without ruining the mood or having our dances interrupted by him going to the ATM. I feel like it's ruining the mood/snapping him back to reality by having him stop to pay me.
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Re: Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the moo
I guess you just have to use your instincts... Vegas is full of wanna be high rollers and shiesty folks who like to purchase things they cant afford so I tend to err on the side of caution...Also in the VIP where I work if I'm doing an hour for $600 he is required to purchase a 400$ bottle. The club runs the card for the bottle first, so what can happen is the charge goes thru for the bottle but not dances in which case I could have taken him for a half hour and pocketed 240$ as opposed to giving the club 400$ and me leaving with 0$.
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Re: Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the moo
That sucks, Pure! They can't pre-auth the customers credit/debit cards? That would make me want to invest in one of those portable credit card swipers or iphone apps! Although that's a whole other can of worms...
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Re: Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the moo
I've been ripped off a couple times (once for $100 and another time for about $30) but overall I feel like NOT interrupting the flow of dances has made me way more $$ in the long run than getting the $ upfront or stopping for increments. Especially since you have to go all the way downstairs for the ATM. I don't wanna get the guy out of the mood. Especially since it's been so damn hard to make money lately. I need every dance I can get. I'm willing to make that gamble.
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I get in a habit of "running up credit" bc I cant win either way.. if I explain the rules on how it works thier always like " chill baby I got you" and then thier turned off but If i ask after every song they know how much their spending and I just keep dancing and then Im like " ok thats 5 dances... thats $100" its always a 50/50 shot how it turns out.. I just never know how to go about it bc everyday back fires on me!
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Re: Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the moo
I'm not afraid to tell them straight up to give me some money. I work at a club with a lot of dishonest customers that will rip me off. As a matter a fact I ask them if i can continue dancing after the first dance just to get a feel of how they are. this is not always an accurately technique to tell if a customer has good will or not, nontheless it's better than just guessing if he's trustworthy. Sometimes, I even ask if they wanted to pay upfront before I continue just to get it out the way without interruption because I'm hate interruptions while we're having so much fun. A good customer will be okay with this.
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Re: Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the moo
Is not getting paid an issue at your club?
If it's not don't ask for the hundred keep running up the tab! Make sure you're on the same page. "Would you like another? Okay good, we're at nine right now."
Remind them every three songs.
If you must collect for fear of being ripped off tell them up front or get the money before hand. "It's three for a hundred. Do you have cash or do you need to go to the ATM?"
"Okay great could you please pay me after the first three dances so we can keep track of where we're at?"
Always remember whatever you tell a (normal) guy to do - they'll do.
I've run huge tabs and never been ripped off. I've run smaller tabs and have only come up short maybe once a year and it's a good excuse to have your custy come back to pay you what he owes you and buy more dances.
Here's a weird story. I met a customer towards the end of closing on a Saturday night. I did the LAST three dances for him and do you know what he said? "You'll have to take a rain check." I'm like "WHAT!????" He asked me "When do you work again?"
I considered it my one loss for the year since I'd never seen him before. But guess what. He came back the night I told him I'd be there. The first thing he did was give me a one hundred dollar bill. Then we talked and he said "So are we going to go to the VIP so you can take all my money?" I bluntly asked him. "Are you going to pay me this time? Open your wallet I need some proof."
He's been my regular ever since.
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Re: Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the moo
When I talk dances during my hustle, I always tell them, "It's X per song." I say it very cheerfully and confidently and look right at their face to let it register and go on to explain the fun stuff. If I feel unsure about the guy, I might throw in there, "You've gotten dances here before, right?" (They can't plead ignorance later.) I don't believe that explaining everything super clearly beforehand ever ruins a sale. In fact, it can help a sale because they can see you are honest, straightforward, believe in your product, and know what the heck you're doing.
If I was in your situation, I'd probably establish it up front. "It's X per song and you can pay me as we go every 5 songs, heehee." The great thing about saying something like this is it puts into his mind getting way more than one dance!!
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Re: Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the moo
i get the $ after the dances so he doesnt think about how many hes getting. and i tell the guy how many dances weve done every $100. i dont get trbl very often and i think i make more $ that way
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Re: Done almost a 100 bucks worth of dances, I wanna collect now but not bust the moo
I collect every 3 songs, if it ruins the mood so be it. But most of the time it does not. I am very clear cut with these guys so there is no trouble at the end. I talk/chit chat for a few minutes and then ask them if they want to see me dance. I then say something along the lines of "it is $10 per song, I let you know how many go by" in a cheery voice. As I am dancing at the end of each song I tell them what number we are on.
So far I have never had any real issues and regularly sell 30+ dances a night