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I feel like I need to really develop my hustle. For the most part, I just act like my regular self, chatty and sarcastic. This approach has snagged me a couple of loyal custies, but I'm looking to broaden my fan base and, of course, make more $$$. Sometimes, I feel like I just sit in free chat for 20 minutes, and have no way of smoothly steering the conversation in a way that will lead to the sale of a private show.
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^That's why I've been using the "try not to talk to much in free" approach. I feel like so many guys would just there talking to me in free forever and just like you said, it would get past a point and then I'd not know how to try and steer the conversation towards private.
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It's a fine line as far as how much to interact in free chat. I've seen girls just reading on cam and completely ignoring the chat, which isn't a good way to get business at all. Then there are some girls who talk a lot and have full-on, usually non-sexual conversations with guys in free chat. They don't seem to get a lot of business because guys are so into the conversation that they don't care about stopping to get her naked. It's basically the equivalent of having a non-sexual conversation with a guy at the club - how often have you been deep in conversation with a guy and he actually interrupts to say, "This is great but I'd rather pay you to dance now"? Once they "get to know you" they're generally more reluctant to spend money on sexual activities.
I keep my free chat conversations very, very shallow. I don't give away any real free convo, sexual or non-sexual. I basically just answer their questions simply and politely in order to let them know that I'm actually there (a lot of guys are suspicious if they aren't familiar with webcam and think we're actually just videos designed to scam them out of their money and won't do anything when they go private.)
As for how much to interact physically, I do 30 seconds or a minute of a little dance, sit back down and type, then get up and do it again. I have experimented with lots of different ways of interacting and this is what gets me privates the fastest. If I just sit there and type guys get bored/think I'll be boring and if I dance non-stop they just sit back and enjoy the free show. So this is what works for me. I would say that about 80% of the time I have no more than five minutes between free private shows this way.
Thanks for the info, it's really helpful. The part that I put in bold...yeah, that's me. I chat way too much. On the site that I use, we don't have to show our cam during free chat, so members don't see me (except for pics) until they go private. Do you guys think it would help if I did utilize the preview cam in free chat?
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how exactly do i network myself in something like this? i signed upf or niteflirt, but after teh registration it seems like i got lost! i can't find anywhere to get upa profile or anything like that!
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I use streammate. Very happy with it so far. Thanks for the good ideas likewow.. Im going to try getting up and dancing more, in little intervals like you said.
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Also I need ideas on how to deal with the begging freeloader assholes. Do you guys just kick them out when they wont stop or what? A guy the other night kept telling me "Twenty minutes in exclusive bb, but I WONT do it without a preview of what your pussy looks like" Ugh. NO idiot, I'm not showing my fucking pussy for free. He went on like that begging/bargaining me for like 10-15 minutes until someone else took me private and then he left. I know he was never going to buy anything from me I just am a little unsure when I should kick them out vs just ignore them.
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Tonight I experimented with being very scantily clad vs wearing more clothes. I did better wearing more clothes! Perhaps leaving more to the imagination is key. Not sure.. will need more than one night to track this...
I also want to try wearing casual clothes for a night vs my stripper outfits.. maybe just a cute lil tea and regular panties, a little less makeup, hair in braids, etc. Just to see....
Things have been slower lately and I'm not sure if it's because I suddenly fail at hustling or if it's just how it is right now. When I first joined I was getting pvt every second and now I had a super bad night with no pvt at all! Might just be the general ups and downs of things though.
Two things are majorly holding me back so far that I've noticed though 1) the fact that I don't have any toys and 2) the fact that I don't do sound. Still iffy on the sound though, mostly because I have to be super quiet so my roommate doesnt complain about the noise/music in here (she's complained before). Definitely getting a toy or two though, that will help I think since I get turned down for not having toys at least 10+ times a night. Makes me wish I was into using dildos or vibrators myself so I would have had one around, lol. But I never did like the damn things..
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I totally agree on the "don't give away too much convo" for free tactic. I've found that (especially nowadays) a lot of customers will try to bait you into a convo for as long as possible if you let them. I suggest keeping it very light in free chat. What webcam clients are really paying for (just like in real time strip clubs) is your companionship 1st - you're sexuality 2nd.
9 out of 10 times anyways :)
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Ooh I banked last night. Starting out in more clothes is definitely better than starting out in a bikini. Guys seem to be way more willing to pay to get me naked when they already can't see much of me to begin with. I wore a lingire(sp?) mini dress over a bra and thong. I also tried not asking anyone for private at all at least not until talking to them for awhile and it worked better than asking "wanna play"? Early on in the conversation. For some reason when I'd ask it early they would all say "Yes!" and then split. I had a lot ofdudes disappear on me last night too, weird, they must get off on teasing a girl about taking her pvt and then vanishing on her. It's okay though, it didn't hurt me.
And I swear, I have one of those vision boards and whenever I write an amount on it I made THAT amount almost exactly. Tonight I was 7 cents short of my goal in the time I had planned on working (5 hours) and the other night I was a few cents ABOVE my goal, in the amount of time I'd planned on. I'm gonna start writing a bigger number on that board!
Oh and I had the best custie ever last night, cute, sweet shy young guy who paid me just to sit and talk with him. He stayed in pvt over an hour and we mostly talked about traveling and movies. Such a nice break. If only they were all like that, but it helps a LOT to know guys like him are out there. I just have to attract them to me..
I'm definitely going to stick to saturday nights! Very good, very good. And I had a few shitty nights this week so I'm glad I stuck it out and didn't quit. On monday night I'm going to try the casual dressed t-shirt and shorts/less makeup/hair braided thing just to see if it makes any difference.
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Last night was so weird and terrible! Idk if its because I'm still kinda new but yesterday sucked! Most of my privates came in between 7 and 8pm. I had on sweat pants with no panties a wifebeater and a bra with no shoes. Very little makeup and my hair loose and brushed back. I signed off from 8 to 10 and when I came back I was there alone waiting til like 10:30. I finally got my room up to 10 visiters and 2 in free text. 90 percent free loaders who would stay with me the rest of the night literally. I had 1 sweetheart who took me to private just to talk fully clothed for 10mins. Then it got weird someone would take me private literally for a second or 2 and leave like 3 times. Always when my room gets full. I would mostly talk to them (typing in free talking in private) every once in a while get up and dance. Sometimes fully dressed sometimes braless beater and panties other times covering my nipples with my hands and panties. I agree the more clothes I had on the more privates I got. In all I made $15 and change. For 5 hours of work. Afterwards I sent thank you msgs and took pix for mobile pic sells. Oh and I created a discount for my customers who wanted 30 60 90 min privates. Any other suggestions?
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I guess there are always nights like that. Last night was really slow for me too but I still made 27 bucks in about 2.5 hours... Maybe I could have made more but usually if I feel like it's just an off night I log off and don't waste any time because it kills me to sit there and have my hourly average go down. I find lately that if I start making money, I stay on as long as I can because certain days just seem like the cash is flowing and it's basically how many hours I want to stay on, thats another $30-40 an hour I'm gonna make.... other days... eh.
15 bucks in 5 hours is pretty lame though... what site are you on and how many days have you worked now? I notice you said mobile pic sells... I'm interested in finding a site where I could sell pics or videos because streamate doesn't let you do that.
More hustle stuff... things are going well for me. I have quite a few regulars now. I bought a toy and it's made zero difference in my money that I can tell so far. Seriously, it's so weird. It seemed like when I DIDNT have a toy every single guy was like "Toy? No? Bye" yet now that I have one no one even ever seems to ask for it. Now my big thing is every guy having a nylon stocking fetish and wanting pantyhose. I don't have pantyhose but I'm going to get some today.
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Tonight I'm going to try more makeup and styling my hair and see if I get a better responce. I also see that I'm approved on Streammate so this will be my 1st night there. Going to try split screen. BTW my other site is IMLIVE.
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I like that idea. I've spent a little more on makeup this past week, because I wanted to experiment with some colors more coordinated for the outfits I've been wearing.
I've not bothered with wearing less, because a lot of guys I've been getting seem to want a striptease and then whatever. I think wearing a swimsuit wrap or something is a good incentive for them to go private just to get to see more of you without losing customers in the free chat.
I'm also trying different times of day, so far I've done the best when it's early morning for me, because I can catch the guys who want to "relax" before they have to get ready for work in the mornings.
I'm still new to this myself and I don't know when it's probably best to just kick a freeloader. I noticed that if there was a guy free loading in my room, other guys who might be interested in seeing me and spending money were more inclined to leave, because the guy was talking to me so much. While I wasn't exactly responding to the time waster guy in a timely fashion, I think it drove other guys away and ended up costing me money possibly just because he was there and seemed to be "into" me. I wonder if it's appropriate to kick a guy out of your chat at that time, when you figure out that you're losing customers? I mean the guy just wouldn't go away, and obviously had no intention of spending any money. To make things worse, he'd get mad because guys were regularly coming in and taking me to private, and then he'd just stay in the free room and say stuff like, "BB where u go? U there bb?" LOL! What a retard. Then he goes, "Why you keep leavin' me bb? U should stay here and don't go in private with them." I just ended my session there because I couldn't stop laughing, but if I had planned to stay longer, I'd have been really mad if he continued on like that.
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Well if you are on streamate, the other guys shouldn't even know he is there. They can't see each other talk. I just ignore freeloaders like that. I have one who comes in and talks to me every day for hours. He stays on there the entire time I'm on and the only reason he hasn't been kicked yet is he did take me private once for only 10 minutes. It's not enough so I mostly ignore him now.
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I have been debating changing up my hustle. I'm thinking about turning audio on ALL the time so guys can hear my music and hear me laugh and what not. But refusing to TALK out loud to them unless they go exclusive. I'm not sure if this will work better or worse. Half the guys take me exclusive when I tell them that is the only place I do audio but the other half leave the room. Maybe I should just leave it the way it is because the guys have gotten used to it that way and I don't want to give them even more of a reason to try and sit in my room for free. Hmm Im not sure.
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I'm thinking about switching mine up too. I'm on cams.com and discovered that I can put myself in nude chat, [ive only worked on sites that were just free chat] and until my 'whos online now' picture goes through I'll stay doggy style or something similar so that they get curious and come in. Seems like a lot of work but less work than sitting there putting up with all the bullshit when I get burnt out. When customers scan through the model pages it shows an image of whatever is going on in the room at that moment unless you email them a diff pic to put there.
I just found out you can actually change your earning percentage too. I was like, why the fuck would I lower my percentage? Well they move you up on the list if you lower your percentage. I'm about to experiment. You can move it between 15% and 45% which is both pretty bad but hmmm. They even highlight you if you go under 30%, haha. So maybe do my nude chat idea mixed with a lower percentage, I can make less money but more often? Ehhh It doesnt sound right but I have been in free chat for an hour with nothing except a guy that I think was trying to scam me but thats another story .... I'm rambling now... we'll see what happens
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Interesting. I don't think streamate does that. I'm not sure all that effects your placement actually. They say to go HD to "get better placement" but I'm not HD and I'm placed above girls who are a lot of the time... it really varies, I know ratings have something to do with it and also how long you've been on and how much private time I think. I've been as high as the 6th or 7th girl on the front page and as low as 5-6 pages in sometimes, depending on who else is on.
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Oooh so I tried my new approach tonight.
I raised my price about 40 cents per minute. I raised it only a small amount and it seemed like no one noticed, but it did help it add up way faster. I'm keeping it where it's at right now for awhile.
The other change I made tho was turning sound on all the time. I'm done with my "sound only in exclusive" hustle. It's way, way, WAY better to have sound all the time, even if you don't talk. I didn't talk out loud tonight any more than I ever do, but just having the sound on in the first place attracted WAY more guys to my room. I had at least double the amount of guys in my room at any given time tonight. It was crazy! I made $130 bucks tonight, by far the most I've ever made. Usually in a 4 hour shift I make about 30-50 bucks. So I was very happy with tonight. I guess it could just be a random weird night but we will see.
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Another thing you can do is to study the top earners on your site. Usually the top earners are the girls listed first on the site. I've been doing this and noticed a pattern: THEY ALL LOOK HAPPY and they're never boring to watch (they dance, move, smile, make faces, change their outfits..)...Like if you notice most camgirls just sit there looking bored or pissed. I'm watching this girl now on cams.com and she looks like she's having the time of her life. This is why i only get on cam for a few hours at a time example: 10am-2pm and then 5pm-9pm. It's just easier that way. I can't work on cam 8 hours straight and keep a smile on my face..it just get tiring..and dealing with all the annoying timewasters will piss you off. LOL!
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I guess I'm a top earner then because I was in slot 5-6 all night tonight. :D And yes I always smile, no matter what. If I need a moment to make an annoyed face I run to the bathroom or stand up and show off my body with my face off cam, lol. I smile til my cheeks hurt.
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That's awesome. Yay for you. I agree that sound is very important. Guys love it. On LiveJasmin they now have it so that the guys can pay more per minute so the model can hear them too! Crazy huh? Guys just love to hear our sexy voices. :)
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Also I need ideas on how to deal with the begging freeloader assholes. Do you guys just kick them out when they wont stop or what? A guy the other night kept telling me "Twenty minutes in exclusive bb, but I WONT do it without a preview of what your pussy looks like" Ugh. NO idiot, I'm not showing my fucking pussy for free. He went on like that begging/bargaining me for like 10-15 minutes until someone else took me private and then he left. I know he was never going to buy anything from me I just am a little unsure when I should kick them out vs just ignore them.
I answer them back twice (esp. considering IMLIVE rules are no nudity in free chat this includes not even showing a nipple! plus it is my thing too ... if they want to see ANYTHING pay for it cheapskate!) ... then if they keep going I kick them out of chat.
These are some of the scripts I use on IMLIVE:
>>>> I'm Sandi .. a vivacious, dirty 30 yo from Gold Coast, Australia. (I talk (have sound) in private chat..) I TALK IN PVT ONLY
^^ Note: I have sound on but refuse to actually SPEAK until they take me private. They can hear my music. I'm hoping the drawcard of being aussie and my accent gets them "in" ... which is does help! :D Some of them just want to hear what a real Aussie girl sounds like (and I have a "true blue" Aussie accent without a doubt! hahaha)
These are for those idiots who keep annoying me to do this or that or show any sort of nudity (even a nipple) for free:
Silly me, you didn't come here to talk.. you came here to see me naked, let's go PRIVATE! Due to IMLIVE rules, I am NOT allowed to be nude in free chat.
Come on, you know you came in for the view! How about a really good close-up view? .... JOIN MY DISCOUNT CLUB - find out how thru my profile..... tips are always appreciated *smile* Due to IMLIVE rules, I am NOT allowed to be nude in free chat.
Due to IMLIVE rules I am NOT allowed to be nude in free chat so come on, you know you came in for the view! In private I can give you a more personal experience... or you can try my pics or videos if you don't want to go private *wink*
I just copy paste into the chat.
and yes. switch it up. have a whole range of clothes near-by for you to change into or bring out to play if requested.
and yes. more is more $$ ... even for those who are 1 min. wonders ... you can at least get 3 mins out of them if you have layers.
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Haha yeah but when you tell them its against the rules they say "But all the other girls do it!"
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Stupid question here: How do you know when admin are talking to you and when its a costumer. I was having 1 of my sleepy spells once and this guy came in my chat on streamate and started yelling at me telling me nobody going to private if I don't get up and start showing some skin. *Again I'm 1/2 sleep* so I tell him I can't and won't be showing him anything til I'm in private. He referred me to another preformer and told me to watch her. I just had to see this chick cus her show has got to be the SHIT. I go over there and she's laying there ass naked with the cam basically looking straight up ass. I was wondering wth is in her show exactly. She basically did the climax of my show in free!