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Re: when you are trying to touch a dancers vajayjay and she is trying to stop you...
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Originally Posted by
audrey_k
For some reason this is the number one extras thing guys want from me in dances, above hj/bjs. Apparently I have a very tempting vagina.
I seriously doubt they want it more, they probably just think they have a better chance at it.
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Re: when you are trying to touch a dancers vajayjay and she is trying to stop you...
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Originally Posted by
audrey_k
Why don't you give up?
I constantly have customers trying to touch/finger me and for a song or two I will just squirm around like an octupus to get them to stop, but they just keep trying. Even when I grab their hands they will FIGHT with me... can I not make it anymore obvious that I don't want your dirty hands on me?
I really just don't understand the motivation for fighting with a dancer to be able to finger her... doens't this equate to sexual assault?
He must be drunk!! He must be non-english speaking person and stupid! If you are working at clubs that allow friction, it might be that he was watching you dance with a regular. He may saw you dance closely and he may think that your regular got too close. He may think that you are ok with that and found out differently. Who knows! Just guessing.
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Re: when you are trying to touch a dancers vajayjay and she is trying to stop you...
So call me clueless but- what IS the appeal of sticking your finger in a girl's bajingo if she says no? I mean really.
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Re: when you are trying to touch a dancers vajayjay and she is trying to stop you...
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Originally Posted by
mediocrity
So call me clueless but- what IS the appeal of sticking your finger in a girl's bajingo if she says no? I mean really.
They probably think the only reason you are saying no is because if you let them finger you then you'd be overcome by desire and fuck them right there.
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Re: when you are trying to touch a dancers vajayjay and she is trying to stop you...
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Originally Posted by
whghost
He must be drunk!! He must be non-english speaking person and stupid! If you are working at clubs that allow friction, it might be that he was watching you dance with a regular. He may saw you dance closely and he may think that your regular got too close. He may think that you are ok with that and found out differently. Who knows! Just guessing.
Cyril? Is that you?
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Re: when you are trying to touch a dancers vajayjay and she is trying to stop you...
Oh my god, I hate when this happens! Do NOT touch my vag!!!
The other day this guy was a really tough sell for the champagne room - he claimed he just "wanted to talk" so a CR wasn't necessary. I told him I couldn't just sit and talk with him on the floor, so we finally went back there, and all he wanted to do was finger me!!! False pretenses!
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Re: when you are trying to touch a dancers vajayjay and she is trying to stop you...
Some dancers are saying they don't explain the rules to customers because it discourages sales and also that they won't walk away from this situation for the same reason.
I don't think it needs to be explained that there is a rule against fingering in any hole any more than it needs to be explained that punching inthe teeth is against the rules. But it's an erotic industry and obviously there are confused customers coming in or at least pretending to be. So somehow the club or the dancers has to cover that somehow, if not other rules about touching.
If the customer tries fingering then you just have to walk away from it. Staying because of the money is effectively prostituting yourselves. You are not encourageing it, but by not walking away you are tolerating it. Pushing hands away or telling them to stop isn't enough if they keep trying regardless. That's like the policeman asking the bank robber to stop robbing banks.
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Re: when you are trying to touch a dancers vajayjay and she is trying to stop you...
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Originally Posted by
Hopper
Some dancers are saying they don't explain the rules to customers because it discourages sales and also that they won't walk away from this situation for the same reason.
I don't think it needs to be explained that there is a rule against fingering in any hole any more than it needs to be explained that punching inthe teeth is against the rules. But it's an erotic industry and obviously there are confused customers coming in or at least pretending to be. So somehow the club or the dancers has to cover that somehow, if not other rules about touching.
If the customer tries fingering then you just have to walk away from it. Staying because of the money is effectively prostituting yourselves. You are not encourageing it, but by not walking away you are tolerating it. Pushing hands away or telling them to stop isn't enough if they keep trying regardless. That's like the policeman asking the bank robber to stop robbing banks.
No, its not like the policman asking the bank robber to stop rubbing banks because if the cop just asked an active bank robber to stop, he would be fired and then be broke. I swear to god, the other day if i walked away from every guy who tried to touch my coochie during a dance i would have gone home with 10$. Not an option.
Its not like I dance with their finger in my coochie while telling them to stop. I am swatting away the hands the entire time... its annoying but i can deal. And like i said more than once already, when it actually gets to the point where i think they will over power me, yes i get the fuck away. but id rather spend a night slapping hands than going home with no money. I have bills to pay, thats the reality of the situation.
and continuing the dance doesnt necessarily encourage the behavior, assuming they never actually get to touch my coochie. plus when said dances are over, if the customer was a persistant one who i had to play pattycake with the entire time, then i very pushily demand a tip and remind them that they made me need to play stripper ninja and if they dotn tip they will get thrown out etc etc so they end up when all is said and done with spending more money than they would have to begin with, having to deal with a bitchier stripper than they would have if they were polite, and never having been able to successfully touch their coochie. The situation is lose for them too.
and you are correct that it shouldnt need to be explained any more than the fact that punching is not allowed. And the customers are NOT confused. I promise. When we start dancing and swat the hands away and say, no you cant touch the kitty, the confusion ends there. at that point they are just being douchebags and the erotic factor of the dance is going to decrease as the hand slapping increases and the tip that i am going to demand from them is also going to increase. These guys are not going to get any sympathy or benifit of the doubt for being "confused" from me, they are going to get a rude shake down after the dance. And im pretty good at the shake down when i am pissed off ;).
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Re: when you are trying to touch a dancers vajayjay and she is trying to stop you...
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Originally Posted by
Athenathefabulous
No, its not like the policman asking the bank robber to stop rubbing banks because if the cop just asked an active bank robber to stop, he would be fired and then be broke.
Okay but my point was that if you don't walk off, they see no reason to stop. But it seems you do give them other reasons.
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I swear to god, the other day if i walked away from every guy who tried to touch my coochie during a dance i would have gone home with 10$. Not an option.
I didn't think all customers were that bad.
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...And the customers are NOT confused. I promise. When we start dancing and swat the hands away and say, no you cant touch the kitty, the confusion ends there...
Yeah I wasn't completely serious about the confused part - the hand swatting and verbal requests should clear it up; but then, as someone else said here, some aren't sure you really mean it. Or the erotic nature of the business gives them some stupid idea about how they are entitled anyway. Call it confusion or douchebag. Ultimately criminals are confused people, but we don't excuse them because of it.
Question: How do you know that customers are trying to do this before they actually touch you in the wrong places? Or do they actually get that far before you swat them? I mean, how can you tell what they are TRYING to do before they do it?
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Re: when you are trying to touch a dancers vajayjay and she is trying to stop you...
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Originally Posted by
Hopper
I didn't think all customers were that bad.
I didnt either up until this past month. I actually have had pretty much only positive experiences with customers and very few bad ones until November, when i switched what city I was dancing in for law reasons. And there seriously was a day at work last week that was slow and pretty much every customer except for one was god awful and went for the cooch.
Its often regional... at my old club this was rarely a problem. There is a reason why i have been a lot more bitchy and hostile on this forum lately than i was before. There is also a reason why girls bitch a lot about certain areas of the country, because nights like i described are not uncommon. I think the OP works in LA, and LA customers are known for being rude (i have never worked there). It is very possible that if she walked away from every customer like this, she would find her income halved or even worse. In some regions you can walk away from the occasional perv because the rest of the customers in there will by dances and wont try to finger you. But in some places, its just not feasible. And i get the feeling that LA is lots worse as far as customer expectations than where i worked, and my sympathy goes out to her for it. She has stated in other post that she is at a nude high contact club. Sometimes, a girls gotta do what a girls gotta do-- and sometimes that includes continuing a dance while swatting some perverts hands away from your vag.
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Re: when you are trying to touch a dancers vajayjay and she is trying to stop you...
Ah I was totally talking about this with some girls tonight.
If I pull your hand away once, don't go in seconds. And no, third time's a charm doesn't work like that either.
I've never stopped a dance, but I have been so aggressive with saying no that the customer is actually the one to stop, and I've had a few guys banned from the club for sticking their hands in the wrong places and not giving up when I say no.
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Re: when you are trying to touch a dancers vajayjay and she is trying to stop you...
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Originally Posted by
Athenathefabulous
No, its not like the policman asking the bank robber to stop rubbing banks because if the cop just asked an active bank robber to stop, he would be fired and then be broke. I swear to god, the other day if i walked away from every guy who tried to touch my coochie during a dance i would have gone home with 10$. Not an option.
Dude, my club still makes the asshole pay.
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Re: when you are trying to touch a dancers vajayjay and she is trying to stop you...
well you are lucky that your club has your back. some clubs do, some dont. the worst are the ones that take a cut of your LDs and if the guy doesnt pay, they dont help you make him pay, and they STILL demand a cut from the dances! So after ending a dance with some perv, he refuses to pay, you cant make him pay, and YOU owe the club the x$ cut for the dance.
Even if the club makes him pay for the one dance, there are certain situations where selling the repeat dances are necessary. Like i said there was slowww day this week where i worked where almost every guy was like this... and i danced for most of them for multiple songs. If i ended the dances at the first with each customer, after tip outs i would have gone home with very little money. Instead, i managed to go home iwth a sum of money because i kept dancing and slapping the hands away and then afterwards demanded a hefty tip. For me at the time it was either tolerate bullshit, slap hands away, and make money or walk away and not make money. I didnt show up to work to go home broke, so i chose to make money even if it meant repeatedly slapping customers hands away.
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Re: when you are trying to touch a dancers vajayjay and she is trying to stop you...
^There's a point that got by me. If they pay up front for LDs, then you would still get more than $10 a night if you walked away from them all.
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Re: when you are trying to touch a dancers vajayjay and she is trying to stop you...
After tip out and fees?
Im talking 10$ after all the fees and the cabbie etc etc is paid for-- i always count my earnings after tip out, not before hand. And on this slow night, making money required selling repeat dances. And for me, the best method of selling repeat dances is not having the guy pay up front. Some dancers get paid up front, some dont. It is really dependent on how the dancer hustles and the club set up etc etc. I didnt get stiffed for any dances, but if i had just sold one dance a piece to each of these guys, i would have been broke. So instead i sold several dances to each of these guys, and since htey were rude i demanded large tips and i didnt go home broke.
I fail to see why people have such a difficult time getting this scenario. Or why they are so critical of those of us who chose to swat hands away over walking away. I understand being critical if i chose to continue the dances and let the guy put his finger in my pussy, but since i chose to do multiple dances with pushing hands away and the hands NOT in my pussy, there is no reason to tell me that i should have walked away over making money.
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Re: when you are trying to touch a dancers vajayjay and she is trying to stop you...
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Originally Posted by
Athenathefabulous
I didnt either up until this past month. I actually have had pretty much only positive experiences with customers and very few bad ones until November, when i switched what city I was dancing in for law reasons. And there seriously was a day at work last week that was slow and pretty much every customer except for one was god awful and went for the cooch.
Its often regional... at my old club this was rarely a problem. There is a reason why i have been a lot more bitchy and hostile on this forum lately than i was before. There is also a reason why girls bitch a lot about certain areas of the country, because nights like i described are not uncommon. I think the OP works in LA, and LA customers are known for being rude (i have never worked there). It is very possible that if she walked away from every customer like this, she would find her income halved or even worse. In some regions you can walk away from the occasional perv because the rest of the customers in there will by dances and wont try to finger you. But in some places, its just not feasible. And i get the feeling that LA is lots worse as far as customer expectations than where i worked, and my sympathy goes out to her for it. She has stated in other post that she is at a nude high contact club. Sometimes, a girls gotta do what a girls gotta do-- and sometimes that includes continuing a dance while swatting some perverts hands away from your vag.
From what I've gathered talking to other dancers, esp those who travel, the city you work in makes a HUGE diff. I mean, you're going to come across assholes anywhere, but the % on a whole changes.
My city, Tampa, is known for it's high % of handsy douchebags.
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Re: when you are trying to touch a dancers vajayjay and she is trying to stop you...
Also, about "not walking away":
You have to figure in how bad the customer base is in general. If 90% of the customers are doing shit like that, you're going to HAVE to deal with some of it, like Athena is saying. Sure, you have a "walking" point (fingers touching the crotch/breasts/whatever) but you might do some "swatting away" at first because you don't have many other good options.
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Re: when you are trying to touch a dancers vajayjay and she is trying to stop you...
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Originally Posted by
Athenathefabulous
I fail to see why people have such a difficult time getting this scenario. Or why they are so critical of those of us who chose to swat hands away over walking away.
Do you think the PLs see this as a mating dance where the women says no but means yes? Especially if you just charge more for it it is just part of the dance.
I hear over and over how PLs don't know what it is to be a dancer; I say dancers don't know what it is like to be a PL who just got a whiff of pussy.
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^^^ I think what you're describing there is a rapist mentality.
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Re: when you are trying to touch a dancers vajayjay and she is trying to stop you...
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Originally Posted by
Elvia
^^^ I think what you're describing there is a rapist mentality.
That word is thrown around much too casually for a serious crime. A rapist does not pay and is not invited to stay for another attempt.
This is why I don't do privates dances even in clubs where they are permitted by law.
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trying to force sexual advances that have been declined is sexual assault, pure and simple. Sorry.
I invite you to check your woman-hating bitterness a the door and join us in the 21st century.
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Re: when you are trying to touch a dancers vajayjay and she is trying to stop you...
I've heard that the club I want to audition at has strictly enforced rules about contact, and they are a low to medium contact club as it is. I definitely wouldn't want someone trying to put their fingers up my cooch, and if they came close I don't know if I would be able to keep dancing for them. I would probably take the money they had paid me and tell them the show was over, period. I'm going to be breastfeeding while I'm dancing, and at the club I want to work at there is breast touching allowed (but only in VIP). I've been told by girls that currently work there that enough girls say no to boobie grabs altogether to make it easier for you to still make good money if you don't allow that. My issue with it is that my son will be nursing and I don't want a bunch of people's hands on my nipples where he puts his mouth. That sounds really unsanitary and I'm concerned I could pick up some kind of an infection.
I guess if anyone really want to push their luck I will squirt them with mah milk jugs. }:D
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Re: when you are trying to touch a dancers vajayjay and she is trying to stop you...
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Originally Posted by
Laurisa
I guess if anyone really want to push their luck I will squirt them with mah milk jugs. }:D
You will bank beyond your wildest dreams.
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Re: when you are trying to touch a dancers vajayjay and she is trying to stop you...
^^^ I don't think pregnancy fetish is as common in the clubs as you seem to think, Earl.
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Re: when you are trying to touch a dancers vajayjay and she is trying to stop you...
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Originally Posted by
Earl_the_Pearl
Do you think the PLs see this as a mating dance where the women says no but means yes? Especially if you just charge more for it it is just part of the dance.
I hear over and over how PLs don't know what it is to be a dancer; I say dancers don't know what it is like to be a PL who just got a whiff of pussy.
I consider charging more to be the (smaller scale) equivalent of a civil lawsuit for emotional damage. I had to put up with slapping your hands away from my cooch for a song, i demand reparations for the additional emotional effort as well as the additional physical exertion that was required to be a stripper ninja on top of a plain ol' lap dancer.