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WOW the worst business decision EVER! (Escort rant)
Yes the eros VIP ad is bullshit! I could have bought spotlight advertising on datecheck for $195 and maybe bought a banner ad on sweetdixie for 100.. That's $295... NOTHING compared to $350 on eros that's doing absolutely NOTHING for me. I bought the eros ad just a few days ago and it's been a few days of NOTHING maybe it's too early to judge but by now I should be getting SOMETHING from them.
Let me explain.. I'm getting LOTS of business from free advertising on datecheck, TER and sweetdixie but nothing from the ad I spend $350 on which is really pissing me off. For example: I posted a free TER ad a few days ago and have gotten 6 appointments from that ONE FREE ad! I've advertised on eros before but with a base ad $95. I was getting 100-200 hits to my site and decent business from that $95 ad and now nothing with this expensive ass ad? wow! It really pisses me off because I really believed in eros but now I know to NEVER advertise with them again.
I'm going to fucking call them and tell them to downgrade the ad to a base ad and just feature it for $50. I know they're not going to credit me the rest of my money (eros policy) but I don't care ...I'm just pissed!
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yeah that sucks...and depending on ur area, alot of the times those spotlight ads are targets for vice lookin to arrest folks...at the same time that money u spent on advertising can be a business expense next tax season! :) just srry you are not making any return investment...
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I called eros and the lady on the phone told me that she's getting the same response from new vip advertisers in the area. She also says January-feb is a slow month for escorts but I've been getting lots of business this month from other ads.. just not my Eros ad..sucks!
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Damn girl, sorry it worked out that way! You'd think the eros ad would've been great being as there's not that many VIP ad's for the area (I checked it out bc I'm in the same area as you). Your ad was hot too!
Guys act in weird ways.... I guess you gotta figure that in when dealing with the male population lol!
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Miss_McKenna
Damn girl, sorry it worked out that way! You'd think the eros ad would've been great being as there's not that many VIP ad's for the area (I checked it out bc I'm in the same area as you). Your ad was hot too!
Guys act in weird ways.... I guess you gotta figure that in when dealing with the male population lol!
It's ok.. I've made the money back not just from eros. I'm pretty disgusted with the company right now. I called the downgrade the ad only to find out that vip escorts were listed on the regular escort category.. so that woudl have been stupid of me to downgrade.. I guess I'm just gonna see what happened but in the mean time make MORE use of the sites that ARE bringing in business. Funny how shit works.. lol!
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my friend recently posted an ad on eros escorts ny and she said she hasn't gotten ANYTHING. i know from my friends that it's sooo slow up here right now, even for bodyrub and bdsm. more specifically, i have said for a while that eros is ripping people off. they're too expensive. instead of lowering their prices to reflect the economy, they raise them! and why is the bodyrub category just as much as the escort category to advertise? they got greedy. i believe there's other ways to advertise and keep the money you'd waste on a VIP ad on eros.
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BellaNera
my friend recently posted an ad on eros escorts ny and she said she hasn't gotten ANYTHING. i know from my friends that it's sooo slow up here right now, even for bodyrub and bdsm. more specifically, i have said for a while that eros is ripping people off. they're too expensive. instead of lowering their prices to reflect the economy, they raise them! and why is the bodyrub category just as much as the escort category to advertise? they got greedy. i believe there's other ways to advertise and keep the money you'd waste on a VIP ad on eros.
"Rip off" is an understatement. The site is a piece of shit. I guess what I paid for was the Fancy ad. Next month I'm doing spotlight on datecheck, sweetdixie or biddoggie. That 350 could have been easily used on those three sites AND i would have had at least $50 left over to spend on another ad.. lol! It's unfortunate but hey.. I'm just glad I'm not the only one experiencing this with eros.. I almost started to lower my rates.. HA! NEVER!!!
Your friend is better off advertising on backpage for bodyrubs or TER and big doggie if she dosen't want to go the backpage route.. but I'm sure you know that... I'll Never spend that much money on one ad.. I don't know what the hell i was thinking.
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Re: WOW the worst business decision EVER! (Escort rant)
my eros ad does really well for me for clients who are coming to Canada, Toronto on business. Each city has it's own escort market Here I know a few indie escorts who only use eros vip ad space to advertise.
Its hit and miss when your advertising your escort services some places you do really well others are just a few bites. For explain I sometimes I advertise free on craiglist even though craighlist is extreme spam for asian escorts and asian agencies sometimes I seem to get a bite and a booking of a decent client.
I post on TER once a week I get no bookings from there, hotbabes.to has a feed for Craighlist so whatever is posted on craighlist for Toronto is linked towards hotbabes.to plus I have a basic ad listing on there as well only one booking I had from there.
Adveritisng with escort ads it's really an expeirement. you can't really blame the dierectory for not getting business but just move on to something else and try.
Plus also escorting sesem to be extremely slow From January til about MAy for some people and then slow again in the summer from July til about August early September. but it could be extremely busy for someone else or other cities.
That is why some girls tour to cities that have a hgiher rate of bookings . Even if your city is listed on escort directory websites it might be busy for that city.
another place I advertise on is erotic-canada. they told me they would give me a free ad because they say they do not get much request for my city. even though I get a few clients from there as well. so I am in a lot of places that say they are slow for my city, but overall with my ads combined I am visible in alot of places so the numbers even out at the end of the month.
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minniesoporno
my eros ad does really well for me for clients who are coming to Canada, Toronto on business. Each city has it's own escort market Here I know a few indie escorts who only use eros vip ad space to advertise.
Its hit and miss when your advertising your escort services some places you do really well others are just a few bites. For explain I sometimes I advertise free on craiglist even though craighlist is extreme spam for asian escorts and asian agencies sometimes I seem to get a bite and a booking of a decent client.
I post on TER once a week I get no bookings from there, hotbabes.to has a feed for Craighlist so whatever is posted on craighlist for Toronto is linked towards hotbabes.to plus I have a basic ad listing on there as well only one booking I had from there.
Adveritisng with escort ads it's really an expeirement. you can't really blame the dierectory for not getting business but just move on to something else and try.
Plus also escorting sesem to be extremely slow From January til about MAy for some people and then slow again in the summer from July til about August early September. but it could be extremely busy for someone else or other cities.
That is why some girls tour to cities that have a hgiher rate of bookings . Even if your city is listed on escort directory websites it might be busy for that city.
another place I advertise on is erotic-canada. they told me they would give me a free ad because they say they do not get much request for my city. even though I get a few clients from there as well. so I am in a lot of places that say they are slow for my city, but overall with my ads combined I am visible in alot of places so the numbers even out at the end of the month.
You just gave me a AWESOME idea! I'm gonna tour up north for at least a week! I have gotten appointment requests just not from eros.. I'm done with eros..
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I know. That is why I went back to a base ad with Eros as I didn't notice a difference between the two as I posted earlier. But you have to try out different avenues to see what works. It is a slower time of the year too but again I never noticed a difference between VIP and base ads on Eros. I am busier now with the base ad then I was with the VIP.
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^Thanks girl! That is sooo weird! what a waste of space eros is.. and you know what I just found out Vip girls are also listed on the regular escort category.. can you believe that? so I'm guessing it's just slow there? ugh!
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Right, but then you are listed in both categories - VIP and Regular (which is where all escorts are listed anyways). Eros is funny. Sometimes it is busy other times not. Perhaps it is dying out a little with competition coming in from other sites (Hopefully. As they were the monopoly for quite some time and in my opinion and the opinion of many others, abused it). However, it is unfortunate as I do like their platform in comparison to other escort directories out there. I am beginning to think that SEO/marketing is the best way to go now-a-days.
Canada (at least Ontario) is iffy because many of the locals want to pay a lot less than what we charge. (they look for the 60-100/1/2 deals etc and think that $250/hr is high-end/expensive and anything over $300 is considered "overpriced"). But there are ladies who charge this and more. Montreal/Quebec is even worse.
Incalls, although considered illegal, are generally safe - especially in a hotel, as they need to (by law) build up an investigation over time (sending different officers in to see you and interviewing people leaving your incall) in order to place an arrest/charge. It seldom if ever happens with agencies or independents. They are usually after massage parlours (where there is often some political motivation/agenda behind it) or agencies that have questionable hiring practices i.e. underaged girls or illegal immigrants (which is very understandable).
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Re: WOW the worst business decision EVER! (Escort rant)
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Originally Posted by
BellaNera
my friend recently posted an ad on eros escorts ny and she said she hasn't gotten ANYTHING. i know from my friends that it's sooo slow up here right now, even for bodyrub and bdsm. more specifically, i have said for a while that eros is ripping people off. they're too expensive. instead of lowering their prices to reflect the economy, they raise them! and why is the bodyrub category just as much as the escort category to advertise? they got greedy. i believe there's other ways to advertise and keep the money you'd waste on a VIP ad on eros.
Yes but Eros NY, if she posted in NYC has a massive amount of girls listed. Their VIP alone has some 120 or so girls on it. They charge this much because people will pay it. Their google rank is high and they are still one of the most popular places for gents looking for companionship. (not saying that I agree with the fact that they are overpriced)
I wouldn't give up on Eros in your area, just change back to a base ad. (inexpensive). You will always get a few clients from it :-)
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eros has gone down significantly in terms of traffic over the past few years, IMO. (I think craigslist is largely to blame for this) I used to make bank via Eros a few years ago, but I posted my last Eros base ad a few months ago and didn't get a SINGLE call from it. I gave up on the Independent route and went back to being an agency girl...less headaches, in my experience.
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wanderlust08
eros has gone down significantly in terms of traffic over the past few years, IMO. (I think craigslist is largely to blame for this) I used to make bank via Eros a few years ago, but I posted my last Eros base ad a few months ago and didn't get a SINGLE call from it. I gave up on the Independent route and went back to being an agency girl...less headaches, in my experience.
Thank you! I'm glad I'm not the only one who's experiencing this ish. I made bank on eros in November. December, I lucked out big time. I have a 6 hour appointment today from datecheck .. still nothing from eros. It sucks ass that they make people pay so much for a fucking ad. It's a frikking RIP off! I guess guys are flocking to the low class girls.. Oh well . Now I know I need to tour and get the f out of the carolinas!
Oh and going back to an agency could work for some but not me. I'm hiring a "personal assistant" in a few days to book all my calls for me. She's well known in the community and I've talked to others that have worked for her.. very reputable and great reviews on TER.. so I'm now looking at that as an option because honestly I don't have time for all this ish! lol! I have a ladies shoe store I'm working on and juggling the two businesses is a bit stressful.
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genevievela
Yes but Eros NY, if she posted in NYC has a massive amount of girls listed. Their VIP alone has some 120 or so girls on it. They charge this much because people will pay it. Their google rank is high and they are still one of the most popular places for gents looking for companionship. (not saying that I agree with the fact that they are overpriced)
I wouldn't give up on Eros in your area, just change back to a base ad. (inexpensive). You will always get a few clients from it :-)
Very true.. I have a regular that wants to fly me to NY and put me up in the Waldorf astoria. I think I'm going to take him up on his offer and just work while I'm there since he would be paying for the flight, hotel and all!
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malayataylor
I guess guys are flocking to the low class girls.. Oh well . Now I know I need to tour and get the f out of the carolinas!
Low class is right...if you peruse the ads on backpage, there's girls on there offering sessions for $60!!! It's really sad, one because a lot of those girls could easily charge more, and secondly because a lot of them are agency girls...so it makes you wonder exactly how much of the money these girls are keeping.
They don't realize that the only reason custies are paying that little is because they're offering it. If nobody offered rates that low, then the guys would be forced to pay higher rates or get nothing at all....ugh.
I miss the good old days where I could fly to Miami for 2 weeks and come back with 8 grand...
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So true. It's really sad but we have to stick to our rates and over time charge even more ;-)).
The guys especially those posting (not necessarily just lurking) want bbjkllwjwk and whatever other unsafe acronyms not only offered.. but for next to nothing. Look at TER and their review requirements to give a girl a rating above 7/10. Backpage is basically Craigs List now too..
I miss the good ole days too, where GFE wasn't associated with unsafe practices and instead was associated with something completely different. I am just thankful that my clients know the difference and understand what quality means. It is great to meet up with girls some who were my mentors and others who influenced me ( Anna Marie and others Malaya has mentioned) to see there are still courtesans/companions out there. :-) We determine the rates. Nobody else does.
Beautiful women on this board all of you.
Love it!
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wanderlust08
Low class is right...if you peruse the ads on backpage, there's girls on there offering sessions for $60!!! It's really sad, one because a lot of those girls could easily charge more, and secondly because a lot of them are agency girls...so it makes you wonder exactly how much of the money these girls are keeping.
They don't realize that the only reason custies are paying that little is because they're offering it. If nobody offered rates that low, then the guys would be forced to pay higher rates or get nothing at all....ugh.
I miss the good old days where I could fly to Miami for 2 weeks and come back with 8 grand...
True. Those girls make me wanna throw up! Make me soo sick! ARRRGHH! LOL
oHH and damn at 8 grand in two weeks. I've heard that's what the girls in boston are seeing in a week... I'm thinking about visiting :-\
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genevievela
So true. It's really sad but we have to stick to our rates and over time charge even more ;-)).
The guys especially those posting (not necessarily just lurking) want bbjkllwjwk and whatever other unsafe acronyms not only offered.. but for next to nothing. Look at TER and their review requirements to give a girl a rating above 7/10. Backpage is basically Craigs List now too..
I miss the good ole days too, where GFE wasn't associated with unsafe practices and instead was associated with something completely different. I am just thankful that my clients know the difference and understand what quality means. It is great to meet up with girls some who were my mentors and others who influenced me ( Anna Marie and others Malaya has mentioned) to see there are still courtesans/companions out there. :-) We determine the rates. Nobody else does.
Beautiful women on this board all of you.
Love it!
Genevievela, How do you feel about person assistants? There is a girl I want to hire to to all my booking for me? I'm working on another business right now and would really love to spend the time I spend online screening/booking/advertising on my non adult business. The girl I'm looking at have GREAT reviews on ter and bd. I'm meeting with her today at 11.. she's very sweet. She'll be working as my assistant ...most definetly not an agency type situation..BUT one problem: She advertises ON backpage!!!! Not only backpage but a couple of other sites and I REALLY do NOT want to be listed on backpage. As my assistant she'll be advertising, screening, taking all my calls, securing my incall location (4-5 star), running errands for me (love this!) and touring with me when I need a tour buddy. She's perfectly fine with me being anti backpage but I just don't want seem like I'm putting her down for being on backpage? what would you do? Wanderlust, I want your input tooo!
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She a SP too and also wants to be an assistant... Strange but I guess it happens. Are her rates similar to yours? I have read advertisements about services for escorts including marketing- website seo, booking clients posting ads etc but most want to place the ads in places you do not want to be. I am very wary of sites like backpage and Craig's List for way too many reasons. But once you talk to you her will get an idea of her knowledge of the industry, her screening practices (which would obviously be your main concern when having someone else handling your bookings).. Basically you are putting your safety in the hands of someone else. Where did you find her (not sure if you mentioned). Would be a good idea to talk to some other reputable providers who have used it. I wouldn't worry about telling her not to advertise you in certain areas (even if she advertises there), you are paying her for her service therefore your safety is number one.
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genevievela
She a SP too and also wants to be an assistant... Strange but I guess it happens. Are her rates similar to yours? I have read advertisements about services for escorts including marketing- website seo, booking clients posting ads etc but most want to place the ads in places you do not want to be. I am very wary of sites like backpage and Craig's List for way too many reasons. But once you talk to you her will get an idea of her knowledge of the industry, her screening practices (which would obviously be your main concern when having someone else handling your bookings).. Basically you are putting your safety in the hands of someone else. Where did you find her (not sure if you mentioned). Would be a good idea to talk to some other reputable providers who have used it. I wouldn't worry about telling her not to advertise you in certain areas (even if she advertises there), you are paying her for her service therefore your safety is number one.
Sooo I met with her today.. I'm actually just getting in actually! VERY smart and sweet girl! My rates are higher than hers. Oh you know I drilled her: How do you screen? Why should I trust you? Where will I be advertised? How do I know you won't give my calls to someone else? ... etc. There are providers that refer clients to other providers and take a % usually $50 a call which is nothing example: Jeana paige (not recommending her). I heard about her (my new assistant) on eros. She was advertising there on the hiring ads. She's less agency and more personal assistant. I decided to hire her because she had excellent reviews and now that I've met her I'm sure we'll work well together. We're on a trial basis now.. I'm going to give it two weeks and see how it works.I won't be on backpage. I'll be more on cityvibe and featured on escorts.com ...I talked to two providers she books for and they've said only amazing things so far.
P.s I have 3 prebooked appointments today already!
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Nice :-) to hear. I am eager to hear how it turns out.
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malayataylor
Genevievela, How do you feel about person assistants? There is a girl I want to hire to to all my booking for me? I'm working on another business right now and would really love to spend the time I spend online screening/booking/advertising on my non adult business. The girl I'm looking at have GREAT reviews on ter and bd. I'm meeting with her today at 11.. she's very sweet. She'll be working as my assistant ...most definetly not an agency type situation..BUT one problem: She advertises ON backpage!!!! Not only backpage but a couple of other sites and I REALLY do NOT want to be listed on backpage. As my assistant she'll be advertising, screening, taking all my calls, securing my incall location (4-5 star), running errands for me (love this!) and touring with me when I need a tour buddy. She's perfectly fine with me being anti backpage but I just don't want seem like I'm putting her down for being on backpage? what would you do? Wanderlust, I want your input tooo!
I wouldn't necessarily run away screaming if she advertises on backpage, you could request not to be listed on backpage because your target demographic doesn't use it and it would just be a waste of time/energy/money. Where in NC do you work out of, if you don't mind my asking? Here in Raleigh, it seems like the most traffic comes from CL and BP. I refuse to post on CL, it's scumbag city, but unfortunately the scumbags are becoming aware of BP now (thanks to the $60 full-service wonderho's....ugh.)
I'm tossing around the idea of going back to independent once I get my car, the agency was working out for a little while but it seems like they're trying to re-invent the wheel on some stuff that just strikes me as common sense. (NO, I don't want to waste extra money Western Union-ing your fees, and YES, if you pull in $500+ off me per day, then you SHOULD pay for my incall location). I will probably do like you though, and hire a personal assistant. Do you pay her a flat fee or a percentage of your calls?
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wanderlust08
I wouldn't necessarily run away screaming if she advertises on backpage, you could request not to be listed on backpage because your target demographic doesn't use it and it would just be a waste of time/energy/money. Where in NC do you work out of, if you don't mind my asking? Here in Raleigh, it seems like the most traffic comes from CL and BP. I refuse to post on CL, it's scumbag city, but unfortunately the scumbags are becoming aware of BP now (thanks to the $60 full-service wonderho's....ugh.)
I just told her I didn't want to be listed on backpage, No need to tell her why. I simply just told her I couldn't compete with the ladies on the site and She laughed.. Her words were "You are too cute." lol! I work in Charlotte, NC and it SUCKS for business. I've been getting all these out of towners that are keeping my head above water. I have seen maybe 3 locals.. I guess they can't afford my honorarium.. OH WELL! Raleigh was good to me! Maybe when I come out there again.. perhaps we could do lunch? dinner? LMFAO @ the $60 wonderho's! Girl, I'll never understand it!
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I'm tossing around the idea of going back to independent once I get my car, the agency was working out for a little while but it seems like they're trying to re-invent the wheel on some stuff that just strikes me as common sense. (NO, I don't want to waste extra money Western Union-ing your fees, and YES, if you pull in $500+ off me per day, then you SHOULD pay for my incall location). I will probably do like you though, and hire a personal assistant. Do you pay her a flat fee or a percentage of your calls?
Ahh nothing like being independent. Though I can't handle doing ALL the office work right now, I feel pretty safe with Heidi booking/screening my calls. I saw three friends today she had referred to me and they were awesome! However, When I get my ass up to Boston, MA (planning on touring there) I'll be doing all the booking/screening myself.. she only screens/books calls for NC which SUCKS but oh well.. I'm not that lazy lol!
OMG at your agency making you pay western union fees..wtf? They don't give you a deposit slip and just have you make deposits into an agency account? wow!! and ditto on the incall thing but hun it's just standard procedure ya know...? I know it sucks though! With my assistant I pay her $50 each call. She secures my incall location at a 4-5 star hotel. Today's location was westin, which i LOVEd! Hiring a personal assistant is nice if you can trust them i'm sure you know to interview em and all.
OH And Yeah I have a car... However, I REFUSE to drive ALLLL the way to boston to work! Wait ... Hey I take that back... That might be a damn good idea girl! Hit all the cities on the way huh??? Why the hell didn't I think of that? But then again.. would you do that though? I'd rather fly to boston, use public transportation and fly my ass back! lol! Less hassle and omg at the thought of driving to boston. I drive to atlanta, ga all the time for vacation and that's almost 4 hours away ... and I can't stand driving there .. lol!
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I always did pretty well in Boston...but I worked with an agency up there too...wouldn't wanna go up there by myself unless I were traveling with another girl or something. You're right, it would be a fun idea to drive up there and hit all the major cities in between...you'd probably bank too, in about three weeks or less...
Let me know when you're back in Raleigh again, we should DEF go out to lunch/dinner or maybe hit up a nightclub. I'm always trying to meet sane levelheaded girls that work in the industry (they are so few and far between...)
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wanderlust08
I always did pretty well in Boston...but I worked with an agency up there too...wouldn't wanna go up there by myself unless I were traveling with another girl or something. You're right, it would be a fun idea to drive up there and hit all the major cities in between...you'd probably bank too, in about three weeks or less...
Let me know when you're back in Raleigh again, we should DEF go out to lunch/dinner or maybe hit up a nightclub. I'm always trying to meet sane levelheaded girls that work in the industry (they are so few and far between...)
I heard there's toooo much money in Boston and you know what I posted on the Boston TER board and announced that I was "Thinking about visiting" and got sooo many emails from guys trying to get book appointments. I've also found that the guys up there are very conservative and respectful. That's the vibe I've gotten so far. My girl gina just got back last week and made over 5 grand and she's an ebony bbw.
Driving wouldn't be a bad idea at all. If I knew some sane providers I wouldn't mind a travel buddy.
I'm thinking Raleigh in either 2-3 weeks! Would definetely love to do lunch. Are you familiar with the Crabtree Valley area? The Crabtree valley mall? I stayed at that marriott right across the street while I was there. There's a cheesecake factory in the mall so we could do that for sure! I don't know ANY providers here in charlotte..nor do I have provider friends here.. A provider friend/sw sister 2 hours away would be super cool! I'm gonna check hotels on priceline now.