Here is a review of the documentary and the website of the makers.
http://www.naturalnews.com/027355_AIDS_HIV_disease.html
http://www.houseofnumbers.com/site/
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Here is a review of the documentary and the website of the makers.
http://www.naturalnews.com/027355_AIDS_HIV_disease.html
http://www.houseofnumbers.com/site/
^I can't wait for the scientific community to rail back at this one in a more organised manner. Unfortunately, like vaccines = autism, this rumour will still have some die-hard followers.
Its true that the medical community abuses peoples fears in order to sell more drugs/operations. Most hospitals routinely do c sections and perfectly healthy women not having an issues giving birth cuz they use the fear tactic for profit on to be moms as it's very ez cuz there is no time for 2cd opinions, and how many women wants to risk death of themselves or their babies. I wouldn't be surprised if hiv and aids were unrated and a fear tactic used to sell unneeded drugs to many as well after all we all know there is a cure to hiv one basketball star hot his hands on and i doubt its the same meds they are selling everyone else. The cure to cancer is already out there, but the medical community would lose too much to allow it here. Dont always buy what the experts tell you when it is to their profit to keep you sick as that is a simple conflict of interest. There was a dermatologist who used to cut his elderly patients up saying they had skin cancer cuz they never questioned his word & it was disgusting how much they allowed him to abuse them.
I'm not saying the whole medical community is evil, but dont be blinded to it & when talking about hiv aids I would consider looking at other info then what we have been feed. Even experts don't know everything & when it comes to aids we are talking about a major industry behind it being this incurable deadly disease.
Interesting!
The increase in c sections is annoying and it all boils down to more money for the hospitals which stink. Seems everyone I know has had a c section and I doubt most even needed one. Kind of scares me because if I have a kid I don't want to have a c section unless it's life or death. Same thing with medicines. Everytime one has a disease, they are always prescribed medicine, no matter how serious. I have arthritis and keep it under control with exercise and diet, yet when I went to the doctor he immediately wanted to prescribe drugs for me. Even things like depression are immediately prescribed drugs, though in many cases it goes away on its own due to changes (stress for example).
To me, personally, that seems strange. A lot of our drugs are government funded, so they DON'T want us having any without good reason. The politics of medicine is insane.
sounds like the same old aids revisionist logic to me. the scientific community has denounced them time and time again.
reefer cure-all FTW. seriously. any time i have an issue i try to smoke it away first and it usually clears up.
The increase in csections all boils down to doctors just wanting a higher turn around rate in the hospitals. They wont want women laying in the labor rooms for hours/days so they just keep doing csections. Gets the women in and out quicker.
Just like inducing labor. They claim its to dangerous for the kid to be over due. Well first off there is no way of knowing for sure if the kid IS in fact over due because its hard to pin point exactly how old the child is in the womb. Ultrasounds are not dead on. So they scare women into thinking they need to be induced which 90% of the time leads to a csection. Its all about turn around rates. Its sad.
Oh I completely understand there are points when induction is necessary(such as high blood pressure, leaking fluid etc) but it seems like the second the woman is a day 'over due' they push you to get induced. Well first off, how do they know for sure the woman is a day over due? I know lots of girls who had their babies a week or two 'late' and had no problems what so ever. Western Medicine is getting way out of hand. Its about making money, not actual health care.
Don't get me started on vaccinations >:(
BTW glad to hear you didn't have to have a csection. Its always nice to hear of women being induced and still having natural deliveries. Im hoping to god I don't have to have a csection. I'll freak out. I've made it clear to my doctor that there is no way in hell im having a csection unless my myself or my baby are in danger.
Well I wouldn't go right to "natural", I was allll about some drugs.
Me: "I think I need some Demerol"
Dr: ":O ....but we just gave you an epidural."
LOL. I also don't get why women get elective c-sections because they don't want to go through labor.
Vaccinations are RIDICULOUS. The swine flu vaccine is flat out DANGEROUS. One of the main ingredients is squalene, which is commonly found in sharks, and they use to cause rheumatoid arthritis in rats for clinical trials on RA.
They were rolling the vaccine out before the FDA even approved it. I watched on the news the vaccine drives they were having at the elementary schools and CRIED. None of those people did ANY research whatsoever, who knows what effects squalene is going to have in those children. Definitely RA.
I am highly against vaccinations, I fought tooth and nail to not have my daughters vaccinated on certain shots (the MMR was okay with me, but the rest of it I have problems with) and almost ended up having to deal with CPS over it. As much as it pained me to do it, I had them vaccinated.
They will NOT ever receive the swine flu vaccine though, over my dead body.
Like I said, I use reefer as a cure-all for everything for myself. I was on medication to treat depression, which made me have panic attacks, so they put me on medication for anxiety, which made me unable to sleep, so they put me on sleeping meds, which killed my appetite (which is definitely not good for someone who was already anorexic at the time) so they put me on weight gain shakes.
When I stopped taking ALL of my medication, and started smoking reefer again, guess what happened? Depression recovered, anxiety gone, sleeping just fine, and eating? I can kill a large pizza in under an hour when I'm stoned.
Like I said, CURE ALL.
^Oh goodness, you mean that's where my taxes go? Oh no! Still government funded and I actively enjoy paying taxes. Instead of pharmaceutical companies haggling us, they're haggling the government - who have a myriad of other things to spend their money on. So no, the government does not want us having pharmaceuticals all willy-nilly. We don't get prescriptions for every little thing here, because that would take away from say, our civic services and MPs pockets.
And no, the vaccine/autism link is nothing more than a debunked rumour. That myth was thrown out years ago.
Haha well I know i'll be crying for an epidural lol. I've been on Tylenol 3 for the last month n a half because of pelvic problems... I spent a week on morphine for kidney problems :O So I can't say im all that natural lol. But I do want a vaginal birth.
As for vaccinations I completely agree with you. Im convinced the reason people are so damn sick now is because we don't give our immune systems a chance to build immunity against anything. FFS they vaccinate for CHICKEN POX now. Chicken pox!!! Of all damn things. A regular ol childhood illness. Fuck I remember having chicken pox parties as a kid lol. One kid would come down with it so parents would send all their kids there to get it as well. Now they vaccinate against it. When what? 20 kids a year die from it? The vaccination is going to cause more problems then the actual disease itself ::) My SO and I are currently researching to decide what to vaccinate against. Cuz I sure as hell am not vaccinating my kid against every damn little thing.
As for the link of vaccinations and autism. Its the 'cocktail vaccine' that has the link. Not actual vaccinating. There have been links to the actual cocktail. If you get everything individually spread out over time then no there isn't a risk for autism. But its still pointless and honestly the risks for most are worse then the actual disease itself.
^One of the most harmful urban myths of all time. Autism is precisely as prevalent between communities using those vaccines and those that do not.
I pointed that out because your comment about the government not wanting to spend money sounded like you thought the govenment was spending it's own money. There is no such thing as government funded. The government takes money from us and spends it. We do the funding, the government just decides how it is to be spent and spends it. It doesn't come out of the politician's and bureaucrat's own pockets
Actively enjoy? Say, can you pay mine too? Double the fun for you.
Yes, the government spends our money (not "their" money) on other things besides pharmaceuticals. There are other vested interests and the government empire to maintain. Politician's salaries are a relatively small part of all of that.Quote:
Instead of pharmaceutical companies haggling us, they're haggling the government - who have a myriad of other things to spend their money on. So no, the government does not want us having pharmaceuticals all willy-nilly. We don't get prescriptions for every little thing here, because that would take away from say, our civic services and MPs pockets.
In any case, the post you originally replied to was not talking only about government-funded pharmaceuticals, but those prescribed by all doctors. It is well known that Big Pharma has entrenched itself and railroads it's wares via doctor's prescriptions. Same goes for the rest of the medical industry.
That's good to hear. I was worried.Quote:
And no, the vaccine/autism link is nothing more than a debunked rumour. That myth was thrown out years ago.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...otoxicity.aspx
Sleep tight tonight, your doctors are awake.
Thats why there have been tons of links between cocktail vaccines and autism? Thats why there have been so many kids that have started showing symptoms shortly after being vaccinated?
Sorry but im not falling into the pharmaceutical BS that if I don't vaccinate my kid he'll die or kill others around him.
Vaccines, hand sanitizers, disinfecting cleaners etc etc etc are why people are getting so sick now. They're killing their immune systems and not giving their bodies a chance to develop natural immunities against things.
Fuck when I was a kid I would play outside all day, eat snacks without washing my hands, dropped food on the barn floor and would pick it up and eat it, muck stalls then eat without washing my hands... you get the idea. I was NEVER sick as a kid. Now kids are constantly sick and its because of this over cleaning of shit and people keeping their kids in a bubble.
Now don't get me wrong, im not saying people need to live like pigs and never wash their hands. I just think that this sanitizing and vaccinating is becoming overkill. Its just another way for pharmaceutical companies to get more money. The same reason they keep perscribing pills for everything. Have a cold? Take a pill. Have a fever? Take a pill. Have a headache? Take a pill. Have a funky taste in your mouth? Take a pill... So take a pill.. your body developes immunity to that pill so you need a stronger one. Its all become major over kill.
A perfect example of the over kill going on in society... disposable hand towels for your house. Because apparently regular towels are to dirty ::) Yes thats right, the towels we hang in our bathrooms are dirty and making people sick. Because ya know... I never do laundry and clean my towels...
Tonnes of links? The study that got people so worried in the first place claimed there was no link - before Wakefield decided to denounce the MMR.
Vaccines are given to children around the same time they start to display delayed development. Coincidence? Not really. Autistic children that don't get vaccinated also show the signs of their autism at that age. That's just the age at which it becomes apparent.
Vaccines don't kill immune systems. Do you know how vaccines work? They put a little dead virus in you, your immune system plays beat up the virus for a while, learns the tactics, and is prepared for any time the virus really does enter your body. Immune second responses are higher. They build your immune system. They help your body know what antibodies to create. It's like you building your immune system by playing outside all day - safe exposure to nasty stuff, so your body can deal with it.
Back to the autism thing, though, being a sensitive issue -
Hopper! If you live in the UK? Sure. :P I especially like working out tax codes and customs codes for imports! My accountant sister thinks I'm a freak.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...cineandhealth1
Anyone can throw out links on a forum. The original study that people got so terrified over? Let me throw you a quick quote from that first article to save people sifting.
Do your research on autism. Now look up the symptoms of mercury poisoning. They're very, very different. If you want something to read later tonight, try this study.Quote:
The paper featured just 12 youngsters who had a syndrome consisting of autism and bowel symptoms, eight of whose parents believed their problems began with their first dose of MMR.
But despite the fact that the report included the quietly telling sentence, "we did not prove an association between measles, mumps and rubella vaccine and the syndrome described", Wakefield went further when announcing his findings at a press conference.
http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...full/111/3/674
If you just want a handy dandy sum-it-up type paragraph, this one near the end might be of use.
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Mercury poisoning and autism both affect the central nervous system but the specific sites of involvement in brain and the brain cell types affected are different in the two disorders as evidenced clinically and by neuropathology. Mercury also injures the peripheral nervous system and other organs that are not affected in autism. Nonspecific symptoms such as anxiety, depression, and irrational fears may occur both in mercury poisoning and in children with autism, but overall the clinical picture of mercurism—from any known form, dose, duration, or age of exposure—does not mimic that of autism. No case history has been encountered in which the differential diagnosis of these 2 disorders was a problem. Most important, no evidence yet brought forward indicates that children exposed to vaccines containing mercurials, or mercurials via any other route of exposure, have more autism than children with less or no such exposure.
I know how vaccines work but at the same time do you not find it funny people are getting sicker and sicker? Yet we're apparently vaccinating against all this shit. I don't buy it for a second.
We vaccinate against the flu yet the virus is getting stronger and stronger so we're needing stronger and stronger vaccines against it.
My brain is only half functioning right now I gotta try and sleep some more(I slept for like 2 hours then woke up from a kid kicking my bladder and I havn't been back to sleep) but I will do some digging and provide links and make some more sense about what im trying to say lol.
FTR I am not trying to change your opinion on anything. Im not one of those people who tries to force their beliefs down someones throat. You're going to stand behind what you believe and i'll stand behind what I believe. We each having our own reasons for believing what we believe. Which makes for a very interesting discussion :)
I don't find it funny though, that's the thing. When did you last see someone that had recently contracted polio? Thanks, vaccines, for eradicating polio in my part of the world. Polio is terrifying. I definitely buy it when I think of all the things we vaccinate against that we don't get - like measles, rubella, polio, etc.
Vaccines aren't making the flu virus any stronger - a virus is a naturally evolving transforming little bastard that evades us. It's an arms race of sorts, yes, but not one we started. The flu virus changes all the time no matter what we do.
For the record, I am indeed actively trying to change what certain people believe - especially when it comes to autism. My reasons for believing what I do come from my own research inc. living with, volunteering with, and lecturing on autism, looking objectively at the facts involved, college biology, and refusing to buy into a scandal that from the start never had any solid evidence. The last quote of my last post sums up the science nicely in a factual way. The "links" between therimosal and autism? Vague, hazy, projected speculation at the very best. There have never been any cases where autism and mercury poisoning have been confused with one another, due to the fact that they are such different things.
Wakefield retracted everything in 2004, and six years on this crippling misinformation is still causing so much anguish. Even after it was retracted, chelation is still used by hopeless, desperate parents to try and help their children - in two cases in 2005, the child died from this treatment. Of the two cases, the autistic child did not have any elevated levels of heavy metals. The neurotypical little girl did - the only medically applicable reason to use chelation therapy. If anything, I think expensive, needless, and dangerous chelation therapy being prescribed for autism is classic pharmaceutical money grubbing at its finest, and truly heartbreaking.
But again, being so immersed I tend to get emotional about it.
To the OP: The HIV virus causes a drop in t-cells. There are stages to the disease. AIDS is only diagnosed once the t-cell count gets below a certain number. It is merely a staging matter on whether one has HIV or AIDS. Thus, the statement "HIV is not the cause of AIDS" is irrelevant.
Anyway, there is a plethora of knowledge on the matter available online. I am more interested in the origins of the virus, since, when you look at it under a microscope, it looks like a very complex and monstrous bug. I find it suspicious that the virus initially targeted both African people and gays. Both of these minority groups are considered bothersome to the white elite establishment. But this is all speculation on my part.
I had no idea this was happening. Really. I feel kinda sick after reading that. It's horrible and I don't want to believe it's true. I hope I'm able to give birth without a c-section. I'm no 'naturalist' but I feel it would be better for the baby to come out the way it's intended.
About about the HIV/AIDS thing.....O.o?