Selling Repeat dances in Higher contact clubs
So this is something i struggle with. The clubs that i have always done best at were VERY strict at making sure any lap dances done on the floor were one way contact. So I developed a fairly standard lap dance and used a few lines that are popular on this board to keep the dance going. Piece of cake.
So the clubs that dont care (which seems to be basically all of TX as far as i can tell). I struggle in these. I still know how to sell dances, but the one thing that is really making it difficult for me to bank is selling repeat dances. This is disregarding any CR activity mind you... just dances on the floor for this topic ( i am momentarily at a club that is only 20$ dances because i bruised and scraped up my leg being stupid and am afraid to audition at any upscale clubs until it stops looking like hell).
I would like to be able to make my money in increments of like 80$, +++ instead of having to make a bunch of 20$ sales to what turns out to be disgruntled customers. As mentioned in a bajillion other threads, TX guys are handsy, and this is mostly because the girls let them be handsy. The standard TX dance appears to be straddling the guy and grinding him while he grabs their boobs--- this is definitely against the law.
So I know how to make the sale, but do any of you ladies have tips for keeping the sale going when all of the dances before and all of the dances around are much higher contact than is legally allowed? I have made some concessions, i let guys touch my hips and stomach if they arent being too grabby (something that since i moved out of Pburgh i have not allowed guys to do outside of the CR) and i have made my dances higher contact than what i am accustomed to... but i dont really want to up it any more.
Also, i know a lot of lines that have worked for me in the past... but for some reason they arent working quite so well for me now. This might be partially because when i worked in NOLA I was at one of the clubs with the lap dance vending machines, so my lines for keeping the dances going were different, but im using the lines i used to use (effectively) in cleveland, and its having a lower success rate than what i remember.
So please... moves that you girls have? (especially for lap dances in clubs with rolly chairs... which is a lot of clubs around here). How do you guys adjust your dances when you work in higher contact areas? The dances that i do are perfect for Cleveland and my main club in NOLA, but they are obviously not appreciated in the area im at now. And even though i know lines to keep the dances going, it seems like as soon as i make it clear that i do not like being groped the guy makes up his mind at that point to not keep buying-- meaning the second half of my dance has to be switching him back to yes mode.
I know that waiting for that one guy who isnt handsy and wants to drop a G on me is a favored strategy, but lets be realistic-- in a busy fast paced lap dance lap dance lapdance club lapdance club, the best way to make money quickly is to sell a lot of dances and to stack the dances. I am having trouble stacking the dances.
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Oh ... unfortunately .... I can help with this one !
In my area, boob grabbing is also common. I've noticed that it's crucial to NOT do a high contact dance at first ( just some light grinding ) and then to let them know that they more dances they buy ..... the naughtier your dances will get. I generally start of out with a standard $20 dance and if I see they are aiming for the boobs ..... I offer them a $30 dance option on the next song where they can touch. I can generally sell at least a couple of those. Obviously ..... I'd prefer not to let boob touching happen period ..... and the MAJORITY of my customers won't even go for them. I'm just telling you my strategy for the ones who are obviously after high mileage ( probably 1/3 of our customers ) . Be prepared for a higher priced dance option for the customers who want a boob dance.
Also.... be prepared for about 1 out of 10 or 20 customers started a grabbing wrestling match with you...... but I think that's about in any club anywhere really.
Oh wait .... I just re-read and you might be after not boob grabbing at all. In that case .... the super sensual dances ( lots of massage, eye gazing ) will often work ..... but not all the time. Now I'm feeling bad for offering my advice , but I'll leave the post up for a bit anyway.
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ive never been good at the promising naughtier dances as time goes on... i have of course promised naughtier champagne rooms, but not on dances.
what lines do you use to tell them that the dances will get higher contact as time goes on? I could deal with high contact in a setting like that... i can deal with high contact in the CR. but i just cant deal with it on the first dance, even if it increases the probability of them buying a second dance.
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Well .... if they don't seem pleased with dance #1 ( my starter dance ) .... I offer them my "sexier " $30 dance. When they start going for the boobs , I'll just say " oh .... my sexier dances are a little more expensive " . They do often buy the sexier more expensive dance .... but it might be more contact than you want. Again .... this only represents like 20% of my customers ( the ones determined to touch boobs ) . 80% of them I can get to buy repeats of the normal $20 dances. I'm also a dancer that has to STACK to make money. I can't stand lap hopping - so much easier to stack.
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yea unfortunately here it seems like 80% of them try to go for the boob within the first dance.
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I hope the phrasing on this doesn't sound terrible .... but is it mostly Mexican customers or is this all customers of all races going for the boobs right away ? Eh ..... you are making me think twice about dancing in Austin. I was seriously going to consider popping down there. I'm bored of WY and just don't know where to do since I'm too lazy to plan.
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carmen_b
I hope the phrasing on this doesn't sound terrible .... but is it mostly Mexican customers or is this all customers of all races going for the boobs right away ? Eh ..... you are making me think twice about dancing in Austin. I was seriously going to consider popping down there. I'm bored of WY and just don't know where to do since I'm too lazy to plan.
nah these are mostly white locals. Blue collar.
this is actually not in austin.. Austin is similar a similar situation though, except the customers seem to be slightly less aggressive but its also quite a bit more overstaffed on girls and less busy.
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Athenathefabulous
ive never been good at the promising naughtier dances as time goes on... i have of course promised naughtier champagne rooms, but not on dances.
what lines do you use to tell them that the dances will get higher contact as time goes on? I could deal with high contact in a setting like that... i can deal with high contact in the CR. but i just cant deal with it on the first dance, even if it increases the probability of them buying a second dance.
Hmm...where I'm from, even back in 2002 at a gown club (1st club I'd ever worked in), a common LD move is for girls to get down on their knees in front of the guy and rub their breasts on the guy's crotch. If this is the norm where you are, too, this could prevent you from being fondled bc there's no way that the guy can reach down there without some major contorting and weirdness. If this is not the norm, you may get some funny looks or some people might think you're up to something funny, though.
As for lines, you could say that the first was just his warm-up dance to relieve some stress so that he can enjoy the 2nd dance more (or something along those lines, catered to go with your personality).
Do you also mean high contact as in more grinding, or did you just mean boob-contact? If you're not used to grinding as much, you might have to get used to it in a high-grind club (if your methods aren't working, that is). What I would do is start slowwly, increase for the slightest bit of time, then make the majority of the song slower again, then increase for the last verse of the song and keep doing it for a second or two into the next song while telling him he's getting another one because it feels so good. Then I'd repeat the pattern: slow, fast for short period, slow, fast at end of song into part of next.
Edit: Oo, yet another raunchy move from where I'm from that would prevent breast touching, though might be hard w wheels on chair: face away from guy, bend over with legs off - floor, but hands on-floor, and grind doggy-style. Guys like the back view. You actually don't even have to grind. You can just almost air-dance and guys will still appreciate the view.
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i usually start by saying "let me know if i do anything inappropriate" and that puts me in the drivers seat for allowing any touching. i may accidentally bump a boob on his arm as i'm turning but i make it seem like an accident..and it usually gets him thinking there will be more. i'm just starting to take off my top when the first song ends..this almost always gets me a second dance..if he's in for the second one i ask him to continue on for the special which is a discount after five songs
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Sell in sets. I don't know if you've already taken Strip & Grow Rich, I'm going to assume you have. If you have, you know how to do this, how to make the guys think "I ought to buy multiple rather than 1". Then the question becomes, are you the one they want to buy the set of dances from... and the way to do that is to convince them that you are a better dancer or more fun than any of the other girls working that night.
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Kylea2
Sell in sets. I don't know if you've already taken Strip & Grow Rich, I'm going to assume you have. If you have, you know how to do this, how to make the guys think "I ought to buy multiple rather than 1". Then the question becomes, are you the one they want to buy the set of dances from... and the way to do that is to convince them that you are a better dancer or more fun than any of the other girls working that night.
I took it a while back, but i unsubscribed because most of the info on there is irrelevant to hustling drunk tourists.
I usually mention plural dances before etc etc.
i guess the main issue is for those customers who really do get pissed off when they cant touch you. and usually you can spot these customers before the dance even begins, its rarely a surprise which customers think that their 20$ entitles them to your body. And sometimes you can just do one 20$ dance for these guys and dodge the hand... but when a club is full of them and it is a 'wanna dance' type club, figuring out a way to stack dances with these guys without violating your personal boundaries can be quite a task.
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^^^ I'm going to send you a text with the answer to this.
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tonight was better than last night. oddly enough tonight was a younger crowd. old grabby guys are worse than young grabby guys since they are more aware of what their money can get them if they find the right girl and they have a more engrained sense of entitlement. im going back to doing booty short hand cuff for the younger ones... the younger guys seem to be a fan of this. but the old entitled ones who frequent the clubs (basically kind of like a lot of the blues on here) dont appreciate booty short handcuffs. learned this before on more than one occasion.
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Athenathefabulous
old grabby guys are worse than young grabby guys since they are more aware of what their money can get them if they find the right girl and they have a more engrained sense of entitlement.
This is so true. Around here, clubs are high contact and the old guys are worse than grabby.....they feel entitled to nipple sucking and crotch grabbing. Serious Ew.
I'm getting to know which guys are "daytime regulars" though.....they are the ones who work out "deals" with the girls during the day when the VIP is dead and they can get away with anything. I don't waste my breath on those guys.
I really have no advice to offer, other than do what you did last night and sell to your preferred customer base.
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On the nipple sucking thing you have a few options: that bitter apple stuff for kids who suck their thumbs (Wal-mart/Walgreens pharmacy carries it) or dimensional fabric paint/glitter (walmart crafts - small bottle of Tulip brand is $0.99).
http://www.walgreens.com/store/catal...n=push-product
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I was gonna suggest the handcuffs thing too! I will even keep a pair in my purse and bring them out to get a guy under control... Or tell them it's an extra $20 each time they misbehave.
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Is it ONLY $20 dances and NO 3/$100 basic vip separate area? I ask this question before answering because it's something I had to combat in Vegas ... I mean the touchy custys on the main floor for $20 dances.
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Athenathefabulous
old grabby guys are worse
What is it w/ the old guys ALWAYS being grabby? I do my best to avoid them BUT when there aren't any options in the club I'll succumb *sometimes* to the old guy and when he gets crazy grabby I'm surprised because why? Grrr ... LOL.
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What are booty short handcuffs? Are they shorts with pockets to carry handcuffs in? Or do you use your shorts to tie customers up? Wouldn't that stretch them out?
And I guess my only advice is to figure out how much you value your current boundaries and how much extra a night you'd make if you adjusted to the prevailing boundaries at your club.
If that extra $200 a night or whatever it would be is very important to you right now, mentally prepare yourself to be groped (I find whiskey helps) and remind yourself that this is a temporary situation and you'll go to a nicer club when your leg heals. If you're financially secure right now, it might be easier to accept that while you're at this club, you're going to lose money to the dirtier girls, and not to worry about it too much because soon you'll be at a club that's a better fit for you.