HAAAA, I know exactly what you are talking about. I was actually gonna write a post about the episode where they go to a strip club and how obviously fake it was.
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i have had those negs tried on me...i find that they don't believe that you will actually walk away (and have that shit work) until you do. not gonna spend money on me? fine, i'll find someone who will.
I know hilarious! :D Is he deliberately trying to sabotage guys' chances of getting laid here? Anyone with half a brain would realize a 'neg' is more likely to get a slap or a drink in the face than get them laid. I really don't understand the logic there. I don't know any woman who would tolerate a rude comment or snide remark, stripper or not. It would be an instant rejection from me even if it was from the mouth of the Prince of Persia. That is just some asinine garbage.
^ Sadly, there is some truth to the negs. I learned from my idiot frat brothers (like a decade before the Mystery cult) that teasing girls does have an ironic effect of making some of them keep coming back... Maybe the "negged" women felt the need to make a better impression and get acceptance/validation from their tormentors.
Oh hells yes. That club is called Expose and I know it and its owners very well. First, they don't have 3 girls on that one tiny side stage, wearing bras. That stage is teeny tiny and would be a hazard to regularly have so many girls up there.
Plus, there is no way in hell they would let a stripper LEAVE the club in her full stripper garb, sit in a limo for an hour, then just come back. I mean, like all SC's, there is plenty of OTC action and girls do leave early to meet custies, or just to go out and party. But the club will make you at least change out of your clothes and pay your fines, they aren't that stupid to put themself at such an obvious position to get busted for aiding and abetting prostitution.
Those are the 2 main parts I remember. Also, I don't think the owner would allow secret hidden cameras in the place. Lots of local politicians and business men hang there, its truly a local regulars hang out joint. Anyone who was filmed in that episode in the club knew they were being filmed.
Oh my god. Once I reached the whole "Most strippers are into ESP and ghosts," I stopped reading.
If anyone tries any of that bullshit on me, the conversation ends there. I fuckin hate it when guys try to 'sympathize' with fears I don't have on stage. "Wow, you must be nervous up there..." Uh, no...I've been doing this for 4 years. Nothing could bore me more.
There seem to be innumerable variations on this on the Web.
Some obviously wrote a vaguely plausible original, and that's been plagiarized by a multitude of authors. The motive appears to be either commercial (pay me $25 and learn how to seduce a stripper) or egotistical (I'll show I can seduce any stripper I want).
There will always be a significant minority of men who fantasize about seeing a stripper outside of work - 'date the dancer' syndrome. And they'll be the main market for this.
It's a bit of a Catch 22 situation - if you follow the BS in the 'stripper pick up tips', you've got zero chance of getting a date with a dancer, and hence subsequently finding out the tips are BS. And so the guides perpetuate themselves...
Phil.
^ Its simple really - if you want a stripper girlfriend and go to the SC to try to pickup a stripper - you're not likely to end up with one.
If you don't want to date a stripper and don't want a stripper girlfriend, you stand a much better chance of ending up with one.
What's the obsession with picking up strippers?
Why not go pick up a NORMAL hot girl whose job isn't to rape your wallet? *_*
LOLOLOLOLOL @ the idea that there are hot girls anywhere that aren't out to rape your wallet...
That's why I GO to SC's, silly - there's no pretension. I'm there for nekkid chicks (just like I want when I'm out on the scene) and she's there for my money (just like they are when the hotties are out on the scene). SC's just cut away the layers of bullshit and provide a more comfortable place to sit. LOL
they don't need it to work on every girl. they just need it to work on one girl. the whole idea is to not care, to not invest. it's about making the girl feel like he is superior to her, that his approval is something she wants, etc. if you don't like him, he just moves on. it's your fault for being a bitch, not his. the newbie pua doesn't believe that, but with experience they do come to believe it.
the thing is, it does work. on a girl who is sad, it's pretty easy. on a girl who is happy, it's not as easy, but someone who knows what to do can do it just fine.
when i was younger, i got taken in by a pua type. i never had sex with him, but i did spend a lot of money on him, and my presence made him look more valuable to other girls who he did end up having sex with. i was sad and bored and lonely. he talked mad shit about me to other people, about how i was in love with him. if i'd known about that, i'd've walked away, but no one told me. he was (and still is) a total loser. he wasn't attractive, he dressed oddly. he was so confident that i thought he must be somewhat delusional. when he showed me pictures, i figured the girls were just friends that he'd had things for and was trying to impress me. i never saw it as proof of value. i almost did have sex with him actually, but something felt 'off' so i didn't. but i was desperately in need of a hobby, to feel like i mattered to somebody, so i kept hanging out with him and must have spent probably 7 grand on him in about 3 months, all while not working because i was way too busy with him and gaining weight eating diner food in the wee hours of night. stupid stupid stupid. it's also how i learned what a sociopath is.
i'm a smart girl, but that didn't protect me. i lacked a clear identity and had a big imagination. that's what it takes.
since then i did a lot of research about the whole pua thing. i've read a lot of their online stuff. i've watched some of the videos on youtube. there's this one long one of mystery talking about this routine he uses if he really likes a girl and wants a relationship with her, as opposed to just using her. then he actually launches into it, and he really is a damn good actor. about halfway through it, i felt like he was actually talking about himself and had to sort of wake myself up and remind myself that it was just a monologue. before he got into this, he was a magician.
i have zero doubt that he's completely full of shit and that he's 'seduced' his friends through bullshit like this too, pretending to care when he really doesn't, pretending to open up when the soul he's showing them doesn't really exist. he's a sociopath. pretty simple stuff.
a girl can pua a guy too. all she has to do is not give a fuck about him and tell him what he wants to hear (what he really wants to hear, not what he thinks he wants to hear). the key is not giving a fuck, being willing to walk away at any time, not being invested.
i've actually done it a few times, but it never gets past the initial stage of dating. i don't find it particularly satisfying to string along a guy who doesn't really know me. i quickly get to the point where i want someone i can be honest with, who will want to be with me for me.
An interesting post when considered in light of your sig line. Not bashing you, just stating what came to mind.
You are, of course, somewhere between damn near 100% right and 100% right. If you're willing to take what you can get, rather than get what you want, this sort of thing works well for both parties - seeing as the one being "picked up" is settling as well. :shrug:
it's a line from a song. it's something i try to keep in mind. that i can be myself, care about people, be nice to people, etc, but don't let them in too deep, because not everyone deserves it. i'm too sensitive, and i just stay sensitive. i can't develop a thick skin, so i have to give myself frequent reminders instead.
I will fuck a customer before I give away a free dance.
Where do you dance again? :P
lol.
i know a girl who married a customer. after he booked her for a whole week, to respect the fact she is at work, to make himself known and he had a great personality, was incredible looking, the same age and financially loaded.
good luck to them middle aged, chubby, balding types trying to be a cheap ass mystery man. im sure it will happen for you soon!!!!
hahaha
^^ I'm a shallow little shit. I don't even care if he's rich. He has to be equally or better looking than myself.
I'd like someone who earns in my ballpark, of course. But smart and hot? I'll take that over money any day. So in my book, I married the jackpot.
I think the neg routine works on some, but there are exceptions. I was never neg with my fiancee, but two coworkers def fell for the neg routine. I ignored the obviously hot girl at work for two years and we ended-up as buds. She quit, but I still have a woman hot for me that I tease and insult all the time. I would never go out with her for many reasons no matter what ,but she keeps trying. Some people just like abuse because it's all they ever knew or are used to. I think it helps to ponder how the opposite usually does not work i.e. total adoration of a person. Women usually think you are a hardup loser if you worship them even though logically that should be what everyone wants! lol
^^ You know what I think works best? Just being yourself. Don't be fall on the ground worshipping, or an insulting assface. That's what works for me. I think the guys who put on a routine just are making up for a lack of personality.
^^ I agree with this... somewhat... but, not entirely. Women wear makeup, color their hair, wear high-heels to look taller, etc.,... and then they tell their PL guy friends (whom they would never consider dating material) to "just be yourself... you'll meet someone".
Making a "presentation" to a romantic interest is in some ways like an interview or like a professional presentation. When I present a case to a jury, I don't just go to court and "be myself" and expect to win them over. There is a lot of preparation and psychological analysis that goes into it. If I'm in a big city, I want to come across very smart and knowledgeable and I wear my most expensive suit. If I'm in a small town, I want to come across like a regular small country lawyer with a big heart and a passion for justice, and I wear my JC Pennys suit. Eye contact and smiling is important and you have to be engaging and entertaining to the jury - you have to be a story teller and keep in mind how short their attention span is. Words have to be chosen carefully, the order of events and evidence has to be organized for maximum effect, etc., etc., etc.
An interview with a potential romantic interest has some similarities to this. If you go cold, you can say something stupid, put your foot in your mouth, or worst yet, not have anything to say. Its good to plan ahead a little -- some examples: (1) have a few good/funny stories to tell, (2) know a few good jokes, (3) know what's going on around town - like what's going on in the music scene or art scene, so that if a girl says she likes jazz, you can mention the cool jazz band from New Orleans that's playing in town tomorrow night, (4) force yourself to talk to many people, even guys, and not just stand up against the wall with your friend all night looking pathetic, (5) study female sexuality so you know that most women orgasm from clitoral stimulation and not from vaginal penetration alone,..... etc., etc.
I didn't have Mystery when I was a young lad... But, I learned a LOT from being in a frat and our many mixers with sorrorities. I really "came out of my shell" in college. Part of my "hazing" was to go up to random hot girls and ask them very private sexual questions and whether they found me attractive... Instead of getting slapped, the girls I approached were nice to me and cooperated fully, even though some of the questions made me want to slap myself. Joining the frat gave me a LOT of interaction with women, which made me lose intimidation and gain confidence. Some guys don't have the benefit of the experience I had, so maybe Mystery can help them. "Be yourself" is not the answer for a guy that is in his mid twenties and only been laid once or twice.
To some people, this comes naturally. Unfortunately, I supposed its a small percentage of the population. Otherwise there wouldn't be PUA seminars. Others must try, I guess. Its hard for me to relate, as I'm a chick...and it seems that almost all men seem to tell me I'm awesome and interesting for some reason. And that reason, I presume, is to get into my pants. OTOH, fortunately, not everyone is like that so I know I'm PRETTY awesome.
But when I meet a guy who thinks everything I have to say is super cool...or, conversely, makes a big effort to neg me and make fun of me...well, the guards come up. There is a nice middle ground that works.
Lol @ fast tan. :D I say this because I fall a lot. I'm clumsy.
I've never done a free dance. Ever. EVER. Except once when I was ripped off by a guy who overdrafted his ATM card. And I told him he was a loser for racking up 80 bucks with me and not having it.