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For the custies: Asking a dancer her age
Never posted on this site before..so..be nice :) I'm having a little bit of an issue lately with 2 things. One, asking my age. I'm 22, but can look anywhere from 18-29 based on my personality (which I want to be though of as older, I'm educated, I like who I am, etc) BUT I've been getting a lot of "omg youre my daughters age..omg are you old enough to drink?" Really have the blonde/blue eyed girl next door thing going on..and I dont want to push them away by saying "yeah im 22, and yeah, your daughter is older than me.." but usually answer "i'm 110! dont i look good for my age? or its not polite to ask a lady's age!" but those don't go over well either. So what do you think? Judge by what he wants, and vary my age on that? Just tell him "im 22..but im very mature for my age" along those lines?
Second thing, guys asking for extras. I *know* this is a controversial thing, don't want to start anything bad, just a simple opinion on when a guy asks, and I tell him no, (i wont lie and mislead, only ends up being grabby to me, and hes unhappy too) I dont do that, but we can have sexy time instead in VIP, I get answers of " well thats a lot of $, what do I get? I could get a hotel for that much" blah blah..(our VIPs really arent that expensive by the way, I think the most expensive is 3-400. So, if a guy asks for extras, should I just move on? Convincing him to get a 'clean dance' wont work out so well? Opinions please (but be nice..)
Thank you :)
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Re: For the custies: Asking a dancer her age
Right - it's not polite to ask a lady her age. So if they do ask that probably makes it okay for you to lie. It's obviously the only way to make them happy so yes tell him you are whatever age you think he wants you to be. Shouldn't they expect girls your age to be working as strippers? If their daughters are that age and they don't like it, then they are the ones who shouldn't be there. Isn't 22 old enough to drink? How many of these nitwits do you get?
Extras - tell him you don't do them, try to persuade him that he'll still like a clean LD and then let him decide whether to accept or move on. It's up to them what their money is worth.
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I think it's OK to lie about your age. I do happen to prefer older dancers but I've always assumed from reading these boards and from what I see in the clubs that a lot of guys prefer younger dancers. I wouldn't try to add more than a few years.
The reality is you CAN get an escort and a hotel room for an hour for around $300. I don't know that you are really going to win over a guy who hits you with a come-back like that when you ask him for a dance. Sometimes it's just better to move on to the next customer. I see escorts but I also pay regularly for very PG rated private dances.
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If a customer is in his 40's or 50's (where the money is) there is a very good chance the dancer just might be around the age of one of his kids. Not sure why a guy would bring that up when first meeting. Maybe later, after a few visits and only in a teasing way.
My initial reaction was a response along the lines of and stated in a flirtatious way "So, do you want to be my daddy?" I would consider that as witty, motivating and demonstrative of a dancer on her game but others may see a downside to a response of that kind.
As usual yoda is spot on regarding escorts. Here locally it is around $250 for incall for well known and respected providers. There is one new provider who was originally from here, moved to Vegas but is back. Her rate is $350. She is 39 and promotes the fact she has a full bush (trimmed but still full) which is her marketing strategy. Kind of a fetish thing but if you think about it, bush is rare these days. If her pics are accurate, she is very hot. So circling back, $300 can be spent many ways. At a club, probably some great dances and fun times but nothing beyond that. In the escort world, the full monty. You pays your money and you take your choice.
FBR
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I agree with Yoda on both fronts.
I tend to like girls a little older than you (25-30), but if you were mature enough and added a few years to your age I probably wouldn't know the difference.
On the extras front, I also agree that you are not likely to sell clean dances to a guy who is on a budget and fixated on getting his rocks off. Not only could he have an escort for around $300, but if "jerz" means New Jersey then he could also: (1) drive around the corner from your club and get the full montey at a local AMP for about $200; or (2) satisfy his craving with one of the dirtier clubs or maybe even with a dirtier girl in your own club (depending upon where you work), of which there are plenty in NJ.
The restrictive club rules in most of NJ don't help. Unless you work in one of the (alcohol free) nude clubs, the most you probably have to legitimately sell is a bikini dance, which is an even harder sale to make with a guy who is looking for extras.
Net-net, IMHO if the guy is looking for serious extras then there is probably no upside in burning time with him.
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I'm 18. I always tell my real age relatively close to the beginning of the convo, that way if they are not interested in me being that young I know quickly. Usually by the time a few minutes have gone by, they say 'are you really only 18?' and I'm like yep. They usually can't believe it based on my personality, etc, which is a good thing.
That aside, I wear socks and go all naturale, making me a cute younger school girl looking type. That aside, anytime extras come up, I always giggle and say no, I'm a good girl. Keeps in character and tells them no.
So basically I can get away with both things rather easily. However in some cases, just like everyone else, when they ask for extras I'm like yeah ... cya later. AND in some cases I have been thoroughly rejected for being way too young. Guys getting creeped out and ladies getting really panic-y at the thought of a girl this young stripping. Hah!
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Firewall
I'm 18. I always tell my real age relatively close to the beginning of the convo, that way if they are not interested in me being that young I know quickly. Usually by the time a few minutes have gone by, they say 'are you really only 18?' and I'm like yep. They usually can't believe it based on my personality, etc, which is a good thing.
That aside, I wear socks and go all naturale, making me a cute younger school girl looking type. That aside, anytime extras come up, I always giggle and say no, I'm a good girl. Keeps in character and tells them no.
So basically I can get away with both things rather easily. However in some cases, just like everyone else, when they ask for extras I'm like yeah ... cya later. AND in some cases I have been thoroughly rejected for being way too young. Guys getting creeped out and ladies getting really panic-y at the thought of a girl this young stripping. Hah!
You clearly are smart and have your business model nailed. But I admit I don't get the connection of wearing socks and how that relates to "all naturale". There is a blessed phenomenon that occurs when a customer is my age (mid 50's)...at least for many of us. 18 looks the same as 28 so I don't even think to ask :)
FBR
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I've never understood why guys bring up their daughters in conversation while in the SC. Isn't that just kinda creepy? Especially so for the guys who specifically comment on how a dancer reminds him of his daughter and then proceeds to get a dance from her? http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u...f?t=1278871730
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I was asked my age pretty much everytime when I danced. My fellow dancers had it too, it was the norm. It still is now as my dancer freind told me last week (she has changed her eye make up as someone guessed her ago as older than usual).
Anyway, I used to ask back `Have a guess?`
Then just agree with anything they said by a year or so. Made them feel `clevur`
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I never ask a dancer's age. Most volunteer the information, and they've told me ages from 18 to last 40s.
I once had a dancer ask me to guess her age. I said 30, she was like 21. She got mad and started pouting. Hey, clubs are dark. I tried to cover with "you sound so mature" but she was still pissed when she left in a few minutes.
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Thanks for all of your responses!! I 've tried the "ill be however old you want me to be" which usually just gets a laugh and a "no really how old are you" type thing. As for the extras-I work in an alcohol club, which is bikini, but we do lapdances, not airdances, there is touching..and yes, theres plenty dirty girls that I work with in a few of the clubs I've worked at-but thats anywhere. Chances are, you're right, if a guy is looking for that I'm wasting time trying to convince him that there's more to life than having your dick pleased.
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^ Sounds like you have already figured it out :)
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Originally Posted by sunshine16
Chances are, you're right, if a guy is looking for that I'm wasting time trying to convince him that there's more to life than having your dick pleased.
Dick pleasing generally is a high priority for most guys but I digress }:D
FBR
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Re: For the custies: Asking a dancer her age
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Originally Posted by
FBR
You clearly are smart and have your business model nailed. But I admit I don't get the connection of wearing socks and how that relates to "all naturale". There is a blessed phenomenon that occurs when a customer is my age (mid 50's)...at least for many of us. 18 looks the same as 28 so I don't even think to ask :)
FBR
Sorry! That wasn't meant to directly relate to being all naturale. basically I am very young and wear schoolgirlesque socks which play up the youth, And i wear no makeup and dont do my hair. Guys who like all natural girly girls usually like me!
And thank you :) I try my hardest, most days.
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I think it's OK to lie about your age. I do happen to prefer older dancers but I've always assumed from reading these boards and from what I see in the clubs that a lot of guys prefer younger dancers. I wouldn't try to add more than a few years.
Agreed.
You really kind of have to feel them out fast if they're into the barely-legal thing, otherwise I'd just add some years to hit an acceptable average age that doesn't ostracize any particular customer demographic.
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Firewall
And thank you :) I try my hardest, most days.
LOL if you have a cute southern accent all is forgiven }:D . Carry on.
FBR
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Originally Posted by
sunshine16
Never posted on this site before..so..be nice :) I'm having a little bit of an issue lately with 2 things. One, asking my age. I'm 22, but can look anywhere from 18-29 based on my personality (which I want to be though of as older, I'm educated, I like who I am, etc) BUT I've been getting a lot of "omg youre my daughters age..omg are you old enough to drink?" Really have the blonde/blue eyed girl next door thing going on..and I dont want to push them away by saying "yeah im 22, and yeah, your daughter is older than me.." but usually answer "i'm 110! dont i look good for my age? or its not polite to ask a lady's age!" but those don't go over well either. So what do you think? Judge by what he wants, and vary my age on that? Just tell him "im 22..but im very mature for my age" along those lines?
Second thing, guys asking for extras. I *know* this is a controversial thing, don't want to start anything bad, just a simple opinion on when a guy asks, and I tell him no, (i wont lie and mislead, only ends up being grabby to me, and hes unhappy too) I dont do that, but we can have sexy time instead in VIP, I get answers of " well thats a lot of $, what do I get? I could get a hotel for that much" blah blah..(our VIPs really arent that expensive by the way, I think the most expensive is 3-400. So, if a guy asks for extras, should I just move on? Convincing him to get a 'clean dance' wont work out so well? Opinions please (but be nice..)
Thank you :)
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Pretty much every dancer is much younger than me. It only bothers me when the dancer seems naive. A naive dancer is almost certainly in for some hard knocks, which is not a happy thought when you're trying to enjoy yourself. If a dancer tells me what she's thinking of doing when she at some point stops dancing (and it's not "become a movie star"), it helps me believe she's not naive.
On the other hand, many guys have a fetish for high school girls. If you see that a guy is only interested in the more young/slim/petite dancers, I think your best bet is to act very young and naive around him.
Only really good sales instincts will tell when your sales pitch is going too long, and is going to ruin any future chances with the guy. But really good sales instincts are rare, that's why people who have them make six-figure salaries. The only suggestion I can make is say, "OK, wave to me if you change your mind, I'll come over as soon as I'm free" before you move on. Try to make eye contact and smile at the guy whenever you pass by.
Are you saying you do extras, but only in VIP? Me personally, I never believe that, I've found that girls who are truly good in VIP will show it to you in the first single-song dance.
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ilbbaicnl
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Pretty much every dancer is much younger than me. It only bothers me when the dancer seems naive. A naive dancer is almost certainly in for some hard knocks, which is not a happy thought when you're trying to enjoy yourself. If a dancer tells me what she's thinking of doing when she at some point stops dancing (and it's not "become a movie star"), it helps me believe she's not naive.
On the other hand, many guys have a fetish for high school girls. If you see that a guy is only interested in the more young/slim/petite dancers, I think your best bet is to act very young and naive around him.
Only really good sales instincts will tell when your sales pitch is going too long, and is going to ruin any future chances with the guy. But really good sales instincts are rare, that's why people who have them make six-figure salaries. The only suggestion I can make is say, "OK, wave to me if you change your mind, I'll come over as soon as I'm free" before you move on. Try to make eye contact and smile at the guy whenever you pass by.
Are you saying you do extras, but only in VIP? Me personally, I never believe that, I've found that girls who are truly good in VIP will show it to you in the first single-song dance.
No, I do not, in any dance do extras. What I was saying is how to respond/sell (if its even possible) a guy who keeps asking for them. The consensus seems to be to just ignore him and move on. Thing is, day shift is always slow, so sometimes there's not a whole lot to move on to..
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Originally Posted by
Bob_Loblaw
I've never understood why guys bring up their daughters in conversation while in the SC. Isn't that just kinda creepy? Especially so for the guys who specifically comment on how a dancer reminds him of his daughter and then proceeds to get a dance from her?
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u...f?t=1278871730
When a dancer can't remember my name, I say "call me whatever you like, as long as it's not "dad" ".
Or when there eyes start rolling back into their heads when I'm giving my free-and-well-worth-the-price advice, I shut up and say "sorry to go all dad on you".
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Re: For the custies: Asking a dancer her age
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Originally Posted by
ilbbaicnl
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Pretty much every dancer is much younger than me. It only bothers me when the dancer seems naive. A naive dancer is almost certainly in for some hard knocks, which is not a happy thought when you're trying to enjoy yourself. If a dancer tells me what she's thinking of doing when she at some point stops dancing (and it's not "become a movie star"), it helps me believe she's not naive.
On the other hand, many guys have a fetish for high school girls. If you see that a guy is only interested in the more young/slim/petite dancers, I think your best bet is to act very young and naive around him.
Only really good sales instincts will tell when your sales pitch is going too long, and is going to ruin any future chances with the guy. But really good sales instincts are rare, that's why people who have them make six-figure salaries. The only suggestion I can make is say, "OK, wave to me if you change your mind, I'll come over as soon as I'm free" before you move on. Try to make eye contact and smile at the guy whenever you pass by.
Are you saying you do extras, but only in VIP? Me personally, I never believe that, I've found that girls who are truly good in VIP will show it to you in the first single-song dance.
First, why should naive dancers bother you? I run into them now and again, but generally find a tactful way to send them off without being nasty about it.
With respect to this rest of this, I am going to blatantly steal a funny pic post from Chili Palmer:
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/k...ascinating.jpg
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Originally Posted by
sunshine16
No, I do not, in any dance do extras. What I was saying is how to respond/sell (if its even possible) a guy who keeps asking for them. The consensus seems to be to just ignore him and move on. Thing is, day shift is always slow, so sometimes there's not a whole lot to move on to..
If you don't feel like moving on, I'd suggest saying "OK, let me know if you change your mind and you want a good clean dance from me. Is there another dancer I can get for you?" If he says no, say "OK let me know if you see someone you like, I'll go and get her". Then try to make general conversation with him. Stay as long as he seems into it and you don't have anything better to do.
While it may go against the grain to give away a customer, you may burn yourself with him if he feels like your sitting with him is blocking him from getting a dirty dance from somebody else.
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Originally Posted by
ilbbaicnl
If you don't feel like moving on, I'd suggest saying "OK, let me know if you change your mind and you want a good clean dance from me. Is there another dancer I can get for you?" If he says no, say "OK let me know if you see someone you like, I'll go and get her". Then try to make general conversation with him. Stay as long as he seems into it and you don't have anything better to do.
While it may go against the grain to give away a customer, you may burn yourself with him if he feels like your sitting with him is blocking him from getting a dirty dance from somebody else.
Makes sense. Its not losing a custie if it means keeping my sanity lol. It just seems to come up a lot..I know every guy is different so some may actually WANT to be convinced of a good dance, and some really just want the extras girls. Eh, just trying to solve problems I"ve seen come up lately.
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Originally Posted by
ilbbaicnl
If you don't feel like moving on, I'd suggest saying "OK, let me know if you change your mind and you want a good clean dance from me. Is there another dancer I can get for you?" If he says no, say "OK let me know if you see someone you like, I'll go and get her". Then try to make general conversation with him. Stay as long as he seems into it and you don't have anything better to do.
While it may go against the grain to give away a customer, you may burn yourself with him if he feels like your sitting with him is blocking him from getting a dirty dance from somebody else.
Really? And what will she, as a clean dancer, EVER earn from you for going through all of that effort?
Now I have had some "clean" dancers send over friends that were more amenable to my needs, but when that has happened the clean girl has earned $$$ for her troubles.
Are you saying that you pay the "clean" girl for sending over the "dirty" one?
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rickdugan
Really? And what will she, as a clean dancer, EVER earn from you for going through all of that effort?
Now I have had some "clean" dancers send over friends that were more amenable to my needs, but when that has happened the clean girl has earned $$$ for her troubles.
Are you sayig that you pay the "clean" girl for sending over the "dirty" one?
LOL. exactly. but I just started a new club also, and don't know for *sure* who the extras girls are..have an idea..but I think i'd get pretty damn pissed if a new girl at my other club told a guy to come to me cuz i'd 'take care of him' ..so yeh, not a good idea , in my case at least.
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FBR
LOL if you have a cute southern accent all is forgiven }:D . Carry on.
FBR
:-X Welll I actually moved to Oklahoma from California ... so no, I don't. *hides* So my non hick accent is unusual in the club, at least! :D
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I never normally ask a dancer her age - usually after chatting abit I can pretty much narrow it down based on what she's told me about various aspects & experiences in her life.
Funny thing - I noticed that whenever a dancer has tried to guess MY age, she'll never be even close - at least 10 years younger than I really am... now THAT'S salesmanship!! (God bless you girls! ;D)
If a dancer offers up her age to me, and if she's under 23 y.o., I'll mention that my socks are older than she is. This usually gets a chuckle from her. Yeah - I'm a freakin' laugh riot.
IMHO - as far as extras go - if he/she's asking and you're not willing - cut your losses and move on.