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Re: Independent CamGirl Listing site. What would make it Perfect?
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Originally Posted by
ukmissy
Bambalina - here's my opinion if you care for it ......
A busy indy style site for girls to use where girls pay a flat rate to be listed is a great idea.( Girls spend much more than 20$ on good traffic if they own their own sites ) . The vast majority of indy sites takes 35-30% of income. I think the problem does not lie with the fact girls are used to the baited hook that it's free up front, but rather the fact they don't pay anything unless there is traffic , it guarantees they don't pay something for nothing . I'm sure if you asked most girls regarding the indy sites they currently work on , if they would rather swap to pay a small advertising fee, they would jump at the chance , because it's sites they know and trust to be busy to make it worth while.
Personally 20$ is nothing , and if I thought it looked like somewhere I could get even one new customer I wouldn't think twice about joining.......
I was just giving my opinion on why I think you're getting the reaction that surprises you with girls not wanting to pay a flat fee. If your site gets busy , I'm sure people will pay much more than 20$ to be listed ;-) . An introductory period could be a worthy investment .
I agree with a lot of what you say. However I do think the "buy now, pay later" model of society is very much to blame for people not wanting to just do cash upfront. Whatever it is that makes it be this way, is kind of a moot point, since I am only a 25% say in the final way the site works. I am getting quite a lot of leeway in suggesting things now, because I "have the ear" of many of YOU, and the girls I work with and the girls I talk to elsewhere and on camsites. So they are interested in what I have to say beyond the share I will be in the business.
One thing to keep in mind is that the women who are early adopters here are going to be rewarded. Because they are the ones who take a chance, the ones who are willing to jump in with both feet. The site will thrive based on their bravery and willingness to try something new. This is how I sold the whole thing to the other principles in this deal. They all realize that this site, if it comes with a TON of high quality traffic and is rolling full steam, there is no WAY the girls then will get a $20 deal. In fact they already have me reined into "Those who start with the site, get the $20 rate for 6 months."...I am working on getting one year.
They suggested they would be willing to do a 4 week introductory free deal, but they would limit it to 50 girls total, and then the starting rate after 6 weeks would be $29.95 per month. I said we could do it so it is the choice of the woman.
See, one problem they have is the opposite end of the one you guys have. They are going to do 50 profile pages for girls who have really invested NOTHING in the success or failure of the site, those pages are a LOT of work, especially 50+ of them. So they are discussing set-up fees, etc.
Let me ask this, if it affected there being an introductory time, how many girls would be willing to provide a gallery of 6 promo pics for the site to use for promotion? The site would obviously model release them as ONLY for use during the opening of the site, and never for sale. At the end of the time, the pics could then be added to your online profile.
There's some thoughts. Play with em'. Also remember down the line, I urged you to take $20 for 6months or a year. :)
B.
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Re: Independent CamGirl Listing site. What would make it Perfect?
Bambalina.... I have a fantastic camera. Count me in for 6+ photos hunny! LOVE THIS idea. ;)
HUGS!
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Re: Independent CamGirl Listing site. What would make it Perfect?
Fuck yea I'd do promo pics.
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Re: Independent CamGirl Listing site. What would make it Perfect?
Ok, so I am throwing this aspect over to them now. I will try to influence it so that the most choice is available.
My mentor (seriously...makes me look like an ignorant rube about promotions and traffic and stuff, which is why I trust this can't fail) says that for him, what makes this interesting is the very nature of designing it with the input of camgirls. But that he is wary of Signing 50 girls for a free trial, and then paying out of pocket for advertising and traffic and so on, and then what is to stop girls from jumping ship the SECOND the free trial is done? He said he'd rather have a slower start-up, but girls we KNOW are throwing an equal amount of trust our way, as we are throwing back to them. If a co-op is going to work, all sides have to take a chance.
So, it will be in their laps and they will consult with me and I will let you know here.
Any other ideas?
I got one yesterday....not here....that was making the listing modular, so if you just want the IndyCam aspect it's $x, if you want to add a store, it adds $5 or $10 if you want to add more we work on those things. But we need ideas for what those things would be.
B.
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Re: Independent CamGirl Listing site. What would make it Perfect?
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Originally Posted by
Bambalina
I got one yesterday....not here....that was making the listing modular, so if you just want the IndyCam aspect it's $x, if you want to add a store, it adds $5 or $10 if you want to add more we work on those things. But we need ideas for what those things would be.
I like it.
I think girls participating in promo stuff with pics/vids should be an ongoing thing.
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Got to see a little preview of what they have done so far....Wow!!! SOOOO Exciting. They said it could be up and running soon because they don't have to do the payment processor work.
What payment processors would ladies want to use? AlertPay? Any others out there that would work well for this model of site?
B.
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I use Alertpay but from what I understand they keep the buyer's IP addresses hidden so that is not ideal as far as preventing chargebacks. When I emailed them about this they said there are ways for me to collect IP addresses of clients on my site but I don't know how to do that.
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KaylaM
.......zombaio?
Awesome you guys...thx M, Zombaio never entered my mind, very good one...
We will have every IP, the harder part will be (because you guys think that even a simple "basic account" won't work) correlating IP addresses to people becomes problematic. If we have 600 people digging around at any given time, it would help to know WHO, but that would mean at least basic Auth. That was why I had suggested the "club" idea....absolutely FREE and only use the e-mail for Authentication and correlation to IP. Then when you sell a show, you get their Username, which then gives us Name, e-mail and IP...which means they are ban material.
Sigh, I guess I will stop worrying so much about chargebacks...I really want everything that can be, to be as perfect as possible.
B.
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Re: Independent CamGirl Listing site. What would make it Perfect?
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Originally Posted by
Bambalina
Got to see a little preview of what they have done so far....Wow!!! SOOOO Exciting. They said it could be up and running soon because they don't have to do the payment processor work.
What payment processors would ladies want to use? AlertPay? Any others out there that would work well for this model of site?
B.
Show u can make ths site work on your own dime first with lots of traffic , allow use to be added for a month for free to prov your traffic then we might be willng to pay per month but dont excecpt upfront money on your hopes and dreams your site will do great that fast!
it's all hype you are talkng. You are a salesman.
Put your own money on the table frst prov you have a fantastc website frst before you start askng for us to pay you!
Prof is in the puddng! Stop Talking And start dong..
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Re: Independent CamGirl Listing site. What would make it Perfect?
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Originally Posted by
salemsexy
Show u can make ths site work on your own dime first with lots of traffic , allow use to be added for a month for free to prov your traffic then we might be willng to pay per month but dont excecpt upfront money on your hopes and dreams your site will do great that fast!
it's all hype you are talkng. You are a salesman.
Put your own money on the table frst prov you have a fantastc website frst before you start askng for us to pay you!
Prof is in the puddng! Stop Talking And start dong..
I'm all for the first month free. Great idea. Do it Bambalina. :)
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Re: Independent CamGirl Listing site. What would make it Perfect?
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Originally Posted by
salemsexy
Show u can make ths site work on your own dime first with lots of traffic , allow use to be added for a month for free to prov your traffic then we might be willng to pay per month but dont excecpt upfront money on your hopes and dreams your site will do great that fast!
it's all hype you are talkng. You are a salesman.
Put your own money on the table frst prov you have a fantastc website frst before you start askng for us to pay you!
Prof is in the puddng! Stop Talking And start dong..
{Looks around} Are there hidden cameras in here? I'm getting punked right? Ashton Kutcher!!! Get out here....
Who's sig is PACKED with salesman crap? NOT MINE. I have never sold or offered anything for sale here. Not once, not ever. Will I? No...because that is spamming. Might some people from here want to get on the site I'm asking advice about? Well, from the replies so far, it looks like that very well may happen.
I do appreciate the humor whether intended or not, that your posts bring.
If you have any actual ideas to communicate instead of cutting people down and making accusations that are ridiculous, please feel free to contribute, until then, I'm still looking around for Ashton Kutcher.....
B.
PS. Oops..one last thing...I guess you've never owned or opened a REAL website with all original content graphics and so on. Just in case...I'll have you know that the line:
"Put your own money on the table frst prov you have a fantastc website frst before you start askng for us to pay you!"
tells me two VERY important facts...Number 1, you don't know about domain names, hiring and paying and supporting web designers who work on your professional site, hosting, etc. So, either way, I'm not going to prove anything to YOU, and if you don;t like it, don't EVER sign up at the site and I promise, I will never cry about the loss...You are exactly the kind of person I don't need on a site based on Adult Entertainer Co-operation and building something together. You obviously don't get it. So be it. Number 2, more importantly, you need your 'i' key fixed.
Have a good evening.
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Honestly I have no problem paying $20 or $30 per month if there's money to be made on the site. I mean it would take what ? one show to pay for itself.
Way better IMO then giving a site a 30-50%(or more) of your income. TO me that's some highway robbery lol but nonetheless that's how 99% of sites seem to operate.
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pushit69
Honestly I have no problem paying $20 or $30 per month if there's money to be made on the site. I mean it would take what ? one show to pay for itself.
Way better IMO then giving a site a 30-50%(or more) of your income. TO me that's some highway robbery lol but nonetheless that's how 99% of sites seem to operate.
Agreed.
You have to realize that this would be a co-op. If you don't understand what a co-op is, then look up the meaning. There are not indy cam girl co-ops out there right now, only the "free" listing sites that aren't really free 'cause they take a percentage of your earnings, and they don't strive to have the kind of traffic that the admins of this site would strive to obtain.
How's that for a run-on sentence? :P
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Originally Posted by
Bambalina
{Looks around} Are there hidden cameras in here? I'm getting punked right? Ashton Kutcher!!! Get out here....
Who's sig is PACKED with salesman crap? NOT MINE. I have never sold or offered anything for sale here. Not once, not ever. Will I? No...because that is spamming. Might some people from here want to get on the site I'm asking advice about? Well, from the replies so far, it looks like that very well may happen.
I do appreciate the humor whether intended or not, that your posts bring.
If you have any actual ideas to communicate instead of cutting people down and making accusations that are ridiculous, please feel free to contribute, until then, I'm still looking around for Ashton Kutcher.....
B.
PS. Oops..one last thing...I guess you've never owned or opened a REAL website with all original content graphics and so on. Just in case...I'll have you know that the line:
"Put your own money on the table frst prov you have a fantastc website frst before you start askng for us to pay you!"
tells me two VERY important facts...Number 1, you don't know about domain names, hiring and paying and supporting web designers who work on your professional site, hosting, etc. So, either way, I'm not going to prove anything to YOU, and if you don;t like it, don't EVER sign up at the site and I promise, I will never cry about the loss...You are exactly the kind of person I don't need on a site based on Adult Entertainer Co-operation and building something together. You obviously don't get it. So be it. Number 2, more importantly, you need your 'i' key fixed.
Have a good evening.
Keep talking salesman!
I have been in the adult business since i was 19 and im 28 know! I know some very exp webmasters in this business and your doing nothing but wanting money from girls!
I am not selling anything or asking for money from any of the girls on this board!
I am a cam girl who does have exp in websites! And none of the webmasters have ever asked me to pay to start up there websites!
Again prof is in the pudding alloe the girls to lst for free for a month or two before you charge them and then you will gain trust from us!
But none of the girls here are stupid! And i can promise you that you will find very little amounts of girls who are gong to give you money upfront to pool money togather to make a site work you should start on your own dime!
so keep blowing smoke and i will keep telling you logical facts!
Your ideas are not new! And a website takes more then two months to take off! So salesman stop saying nonsence!
A domain name costs 10.00 buy one and get started!
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Originally Posted by
Juliette25
Agreed.
You have to realize that this would be a co-op. If you don't understand what a co-op is, then look up the meaning. There are not indy cam girl co-ops out there right now, only the "free" listing sites that aren't really free 'cause they take a percentage of your earnings, and they don't strive to have the kind of traffic that the admins of this site would strive to obtain.
How's that for a run-on sentence? :P
Sure i get his pooling money togather co op point because he does not want to pull money out of his own pocket.
He promises of so much traffic so fast is bull.. none of the big dog websites out there got super large in 2 months or asked models to pay to get started.
He does not even have a site yet and hes talking how great its going to be t's hype and he wants the money, hes not doing this for free in anyway.
There are many good yahoo sites on the net with good traffic and long standing good reps.. any webmaster who is going to ask girls to pay for him to get going does not want to take his own risk of losing hs money if he fails.
I know for a fact most cam girls will not pay to get listed on a new cam site very little will...
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Originally Posted by
Bambalina
Sigh. Ok, last of the negative messages I really want to respond to here. If you truly don;t think it will work, I cannot stop you from posting here, but I'd like to keep the thread MORE about ideas for a workable site, that negative posts which have no real substantial truth or meat to them. I mean it's easy to go "they are trying to rip you off!" without actually thinking about the amount of work necessary to rip off these girls, when doing the site and having it work is JUST AS EASY as what you posit. Did you even think about that? If I have a working site up and running, why the HELL would I ever run away and disappear? And no-one will be asked to give a dime until a working site is up and running and can be demo'd. So your accusations hold no water.
Secondly, you didn't read very well. I said the site would running well enough but the END of the FIRST month (ie before the second month is paid) that it would be obvious that you would do well. In other words, if all the girls make at least enough to pay the $20 and still come out making 75% or more of their money, then going to month 2 is a GOOD INVESTMENT. See?
Again, here we go:
"sounds like a fast way to grab alot of money!"
several weeks or months of R&D, web design, domain and webhosting and start-up costs, plus showing IDs and getting accounts so we can receive this money, all for $1000-$2000. Seriously?
"pile of money"
$20...it is a pile...if we use $1 bills. Also, I completely disagree that asking for 20%-30% is not asking for a pile of money. If a woman makes even $500 in a MONTH on these sites, she is paying them a MINIMUM of $100 of her money..if she is making $1000 we double it, $5000, she's paying $1000 per month!!! That is a HUGE pile of money compared to $20 and the site doesn't take a dime more if you make $100, $5000, or $100,000....No matter what, it's $20 per month. You HONESTLY think percentage deals are better? Wow...
"if your yahoo cam site will be so good you don't need to charge us money to be listed!"
True, because those others who charge you 20%+ are altruistically giving away their services to you free. That 20%? Ignore that..it's just, um, a donation! being charged a percentage of everything you make is never better in my opinion. I think some women will buy it, because they are so USED to the baited hook of "it's free upfront!" that it signals "Good Deal"...
So let's try this...tomorrow Streamate or MFC go to a model of "$20 per day to cam here and you keep 100% of tips and earnings"...Would any of you NOT jump on that? So tell me which is better, a small upfront fee, or a BIG back end that eats your earnings away? Are any of you even going to miss the $20 that is "trying this site for one month"? This is a silly debate.
Lastly:
"Paid traffic is known to be low quality traffic in the first place like traffic holder crap traffic."
This shows me there will be no point in debating this further. Please, go read adult webmaster resources out there. Paid traffic depending on sources, ifs the absolute BEST traffic you can get and converts at 5-10 times ANY OTHER traffic. But that is not even the point here. Because your statement leaves out so much and ignores reality.
If one puts up a web-site, traffic has to come from somewhere. There are two possibilities. Paid sources, and free sources. So what you are saying is that paid traffic (and you don't even say most, or some, you just lump ALL paid traffic together) is low quality traffic, and this then would follow that FREE traffic is High Quality traffic. Because traffic HAS to come FROM somewhere...it is the nature of the World Wide Web. So, the best free traffic comes from the Search Engines, so google started selling those litte ads on the right of the screen, and this is PAID Search Engine traffic.
So where does this great traffic come from that your indy sites use...That is a thread of its own...watch for it.
B.
Keep talking salesman there are many great yahoo cam sites out there and if you think i have no exp and they do not will see how you do!!
keep blowing smoke to girls! any service you are offering is nothing new, nothing better!
your just a wannabe webmaster at this point..
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Aye-yi-yi! Bambalina was just putting some ideas out there. No one HAS to be on board if they don't want to. I thought we're supposed to be supportive of each other and encouraging. Wishing good luck is the least you can do. :)
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I am a cam girl. I am willing to put up $20. I piss $20.
Nope there aren't any sites out there like this... that makes it bad?
You don't have to like it and no one, that includes myself, is mad at you for not liking it. Don't be mad at us because we do lol. You can tell us all I told you so later if you like when we're like "well damn I lost $20 on that deal"... but like I said... I piss $20, fuck it. I think it will work.
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Re: Independent CamGirl Listing site. What would make it Perfect?
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Originally Posted by
salemsexy
Keep talking salesman!
I am not selling anything or asking for money from any of the girls on this board!
Yeah, ok, you just seem to be pushing the sites in your sig. They don't seem to lead to YOUR page, but several pages that this co-op would be in DIRECT competition for. Co-incidence? I don't think so.
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Originally Posted by
salemsexy
Again prof is in the pudding alloe the girls to lst for free for a month or two before you charge them and then you will gain trust from us!
I called my partners and said "Hey, SalemSexy says we gotta do a free months or two!" and they said "Who!?" and I said "You mean she isn't the head of our team?!" and they said "No, Salem Sexy doesn;t have fuck-all to say about how this site is run...You can safely ignore her input, especially because MOST of the girls you're talking to seem to be COMPLETELY in favor of it." and I said, "Okee doke guys! Just making sure!"
Cool huh, how that works?
Also, that last word..."us" requires you to be speaking for all the girls...see, you said "alloe(assuming you meant allow) the girls" and then used 'US'...So, just a quick lesson in English. 'Us' requires two of more people in agreement. You MIGHT have Malaya, but thusfar that seems to be the extent of your support in this thread. So you speaking for the "girls" as "us" might be a bit pre-mature. At this point "the girls" seem to be very excited for me to get this site up and running.
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Originally Posted by
salemsexy
But none of the girls here are stupid! And i can promise you that you will find very little amounts of girls who are gong to give you money upfront to pool money togather to make a site work you should start on your own dime!
Well, since several girls...in fact ALL of the girls actively participating in the thread but you (and possibly Malaya) say they want to participate, and since I already have MANY girls who want to participate from several camsites YOU advertise in your sig, I guess we'll SEE, won't we?
Also, just wanted to point out...Way to insult all the girls on here who think this is a good idea by calling them stupid. You say that those who think this is a good idea are stupid...Nice way to win friends.
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Originally Posted by
salemsexy
so keep blowing smoke and i will keep telling you logical facts!
Your ideas are not new! And a website takes more then two months to take off! So salesman stop saying nonsence!
Your logical facts are a joke, and they are bordering on becoming offensive gibberish that will bring in the mods and make trouble for you.
I never said the website would have 50,000 steady members in 2 months, did I? I never said we'd have skyrocketing attendance in two months...Did I? Where did I say it will "Take Off" in two months? I said within 2 months it will be obvious that it is profitable to the girls involved, so they will not be worried in the least to pay their monthly fee. Period. And I went FURTHER than that, because I said by the end of the first month, they will see enough traffic, shows purchased and activity to be able to make the decision to send the SECOND payment. In other words ONE month. But I never said Take Off...If anything, I hinted at Break even for the girls involved or better. Period.
Lastly, I am a female. I am old enough to deserve some respect and I have posted enough good information here to be treated as such, and not be insulted by the likes of you. So be warned, I am offended by you, or anyone else on here calling me a man to try to tear me down, and the mods said that these spiteful and rude comments won't be tolerated. One more time and I will write them. I specifically offered them to be voice validated as a female, they did not think it necessary. I have not resorted to name calling or rudeness in my responses. You have. You've also invaded a thread that is informative and interesting to several people, JUST to post negative crap and repeat yourself over and over and basically call me a cheat, and a man, and accuse me of selling something when I clearly have never asked a member of this board for one cent. I think you are dangerously close to the line the mods have set.
If you can't tell, in the absence of any REAL information, constructive ideas, constructive criticism, etc. The other people participating don't seem to want you in this thread, and seem to be saying that your posts are not viewed as helpful. So, why not take a hint.
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salemsexy
A domain name costs 10.00 buy one and get started!
[Sarcasm ON]
Yes, because insulting all those who done the hard work of truly making a good website from scratch, THAT will get you far here.
Hear that girls?? To make a kick-ass Yahoo Indy site, all you need is to "Buy a Domain and spend $10"
Damn! She caught me out...I should run and hide now because you all figured it out now, that success in this business just requires $10 and a domain name. Darn! I thought I could hide that from everyone!!
[Sarcasm OFF]
Keep posting. Every post you make wins you LESS friends, and brings you one step closer to the mods stepping in. I will continue posting in this thread for information and ideas, and you can continue doing whatever the hell it is you do....
B.
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Just to make a quick point.
If someone opened a site and said they would give me something FREE for signing up for free (either money or some valuable prize), I would be wary and make sure others are getting their "prize"...If someone told me, "Hey B, I will get you a job for $20 an hour" (or whatever price I feel is worth it, since $20 an hour is chump change...but you get the idea)anyway "I'll get you a job for $20 an hour, but you have to give me 30% of everything you make forever." I wouldn't ever DREAM of that. However if someone said "I'll get you a job for $20 if you pay me $50 upfront" I would jump at that.
I don't know why that is so hard to see?
Also, and more importantly, is the fact that Salem is calling me names and Malaya seems to think that FREE for a month is fair. Overall, we've wasted days...weeks...on a discussion that could have gone so much further, and the actual argument goes like this.
"I'm going to make a site where I take none of the money you bring in from a customer, so the ONLY way I make money is on your SMALL monthly payment. In return I am going to set up the site, give you all a place to advertise yourselves, set up a webpage for each of you, and truly be responsive to the things you feel you need. In return, you pay $20 per month if you're one of the people willing to jump in at the start. I'm not asking you for money here, nor am I advertising this here, because it is in the creation stage. Do you think this is a good idea?"
...many supportive comments and helpful suggestions...
Voice of dissent:
"Hey! Wait! Ladies! They want to be paid for working for us! They aren't just going to take 30% of our wages FOREVER like everyone else! They want to get PAID something!"
Me: "Absolutely true. Setting up a website and buying the domain and hosting, as well advertising, costs money, and so we are going to charge a nominal fee to be listed and get traffic and be able to link your website and so on AS WELL as selling shows, which is the real purpose of the site, and in fact we'll guarantee a minimum of 25% of ALL money goes to traffic and advertising."
Voice of Dissent: "Scam! SalesMAN! Don't buy it girls! There's TONS of sites out there for FREE! (well, yeah, they take 30% of EVERYTHING YOU MAKE EVER but we won't go into that)."
Me: "There isn't even a site yet. I'm not selling anything, just trying to get ideas and bounce a new concept around."
VOD:
"You can't fool me Salesman!!! I see though your tricky ways of offering flat rate service for something they take 30% for now!! You sneaky sneaky MAN!"
Me: "Sigh..."
Now, that is the main and most disrespectful Voice of Dissent. This part is NOT aimed in any way at Malaya. She gets the next part.
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Malaya:
Let me ask, can you show me ONE site that does Yahoo listings for women, that ever gave their services away completely free with NO income for one month? We're talking, they didn't take percentages or upfront money or ANYTHING... They did work for a full month for FREE and never collected a cent on it. Show them to me, because I want to congratulate them.
THAT is what you are asking for Malaya. Can you show me ONE business that does that?
So why should this one? Because YOU are afraid of paying upfront?
A co-op needs to pay for itself an provide a small income for those who set it up and run the day to day and upkeep it. THAT is how this is set up. This will never be a million dollar website for anyone involved. Do you realize that?
Lets say after 3 months we have 150 paying ladies who are listed. and Lets further say that only 75 (we're going between 50 and 100) started the $20 deal, the rest are paying $39.95. This averages to 29 and change...after the 25% advertising and traffic guarantee, that comes out to $3375 per month. $379 per month for a server and bandwidth, $500 per month for web programmers to keep things bug free and keep everything running to perfection (fingers crossed). Grand total, under best circumstance, $2500. This is for 3 people to split. Per month.
So who wins on this board? The greedy money raking owners? No...the girls. 100% win.
Anyone left complaining now? If so...whatever...because it's ridiculous. The two people who are making this happen are doing so because they love the industry and want to make changes happen, and because they love me. That's it. It isn't a big money making project for them, and if it gets TOO burdensome they will drop it.
So, that is why they aren't going to do a Free Trial without making it MUCH more burdensome on the girls, and guess what? I'm not going to suggest it because you (Malaya) and some disrespectful, negative, person (salem) come in and say they think it should be that way. Not gonna happen.
And I strongly urge those who truly believe that a small upfront fee to be on a good site with good folks who believe in this industry is REALLY unfair or a rip-off, well, when the site actually comes to be...vote with your money and your feet, and run the other way. The visionary folks who really do want this industry to be better and are willing to risk a measly $20 to see if it can help, will be there.
If you can't see the logic and vision. Read it carefulluy here... We. Don't. Want. You.
Thanks.
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Re: Independent CamGirl Listing site. What would make it Perfect?
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Juliette25
Agreed.
You have to realize that this would be a co-op. If you don't understand what a co-op is, then look up the meaning. There are not indy cam girl co-ops out there right now, only the "free" listing sites that aren't really free 'cause they take a percentage of your earnings, and they don't strive to have the kind of traffic that the admins of this site would strive to obtain.
How's that for a run-on sentence? :P
Yes there are ;) I've already posted them on HERE long time :)
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Re: Independent CamGirl Listing site. What would make it Perfect?
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Malaya:
Let me ask, can you show me ONE site that does Yahoo listings for women, that ever gave their services away completely free with NO income for one month? We're talking, they didn't take percentages or upfront money or ANYTHING... They did work for a full month for FREE and never collected a cent on it. Show them to me, because I want to congratulate them.
THAT is what you are asking for Malaya. Can you show me ONE business that does that?
So why should this one? Because YOU are afraid of paying upfront?
Bambalina, I am not planning to list on your site or any indy site again for that matter. I am not camming right now. I have other business .. you are already aware of this.
I was not speaking for myself. Of course I can afford your $20-$30 a month what is that when I spend over $350 on escort ads each and every month? Please don't forget this. So just for the record: I am not "afraid" of paying upfront. ;)
All I was saying is... Since this service is going to be SO GREAT why not offer the first month free or even 2 weeks free? I don't know why you think it's a stupid idea. Businesses do this all the time... Yes. They. Do. :)
I suggested this since some people were doubting you and your service. Me? Eh I am not doubting you .. you are very smart. Honestly I would like to see the site myself and would LOVE to read the reviews from the other girls using the site. So yes it was just a suggestion.
I think it would be an interesting service... that is, if all you are saying is true. However, I don't see why it wouldn't be.
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A co-op needs to pay for itself an provide a small income for those who set it up and run the day to day and upkeep it. THAT is how this is set up. This will never be a million dollar website for anyone involved. Do you realize that?
I know this dear.
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Lets say after 3 months we have 150 paying ladies who are listed. and Lets further say that only 75 (we're going between 50 and 100) started the $20 deal, the rest are paying $39.95. This averages to 29 and change...after the 25% advertising and traffic guarantee, that comes out to $3375 per month. $379 per month for a server and bandwidth, $500 per month for web programmers to keep things bug free and keep everything running to perfection (fingers crossed). Grand total, under best circumstance, $2500. This is for 3 people to split. Per month.
I understand this....
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So who wins on this board? The greedy money raking owners? No...the girls. 100% win.
So it seems.
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Anyone left complaining now? If so...whatever...because it's ridiculous. The two people who are making this happen are doing so because they love the industry and want to make changes happen, and because they love me. That's it. It isn't a big money making project for them, and if it gets TOO burdensome they will drop it.
Understandable.
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So, that is why they aren't going to do a Free Trial without making it MUCH more burdensome on the girls, and guess what? I'm not going to suggest it because you (Malaya) and some disrespectful, negative, person (salem) come in and say they think it should be that way. Not gonna happen.
I don't think it should be that way. It was merely a suggestion. I don't know why you're jumping down salemsexy's throat. She's not selling anything and NO Salemsexy, Bambalina's not selling anything BUT I DO see where salemsexy is coming from where she suggested a free trial. What is a free trial if your service is going to be soo amazing? Bambalina, I'd pay $80 a month to be on your site but I don't need it. Money is not a problem for me. I have been a camgirl long enough to know a good indy ran site is a true gold mine!
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And I strongly urge those who truly believe that a small upfront fee to be on a good site with good folks who believe in this industry is REALLY unfair or a rip-off, well, when the site actually comes to be...vote with your money and your feet, and run the other way. The visionary folks who really do want this industry to be better and are willing to risk a measly $20 to see if it can help, will be there.
*sigh* I've already explained myself.
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If you can't see the logic and vision. Read it carefulluy here... We. Don't. Want. You.
I don't want to be on the site. I don't need your site. It was just a suggestion... why the hostility Bambalina?