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Winged Dinghy
Interesting. Why do you consider porn, stripping and lapdancing to be prostitution? I've been thinking a lot about how to define prostitution, and would love to hear your take on it.
Well with porn you're pretty much getting paid to have sex. Yup!
With "dancing"/"lapdancing", It is no secret that sex does go on in the club (extras)
The keyword here was "Almost always" and I agree with the statement.
I could elaborate on this but I won't. I just thought the whole against prostitution site was more opinion than fact and pretty much stupid.
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I just think it's rude to generalize strippers with prostitutes, because while there are dancers doing extras in strip clubs, there are no actual statistics that accurately account for every dancer's activities. So implying that "all strippers are prostitutes" is rude because there is no statistical data providing what the accurate percentage of dancers doing extras is, and it groups clean dancers in with the ITC whores. AND because the definition of extras (legally) varies from state to state it is difficult to pinpoint this as well. This is a crude generalization and is not very different from saying "most black people can't swim".
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omg.. did you not read what i wrote Laurisa??
I guess I'm not black then because I can swim.
The author never even said anything about ALL strippers being prostitutes..
she said almost always which i agree with!
People generalize escorts with streetwalkers... so whooptie do!
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Of course I did, I saw how you commented that not all strippers are prostitutes. I was commenting more or less on the website's myths and facts list...which I commented on earlier in the thread before you posted that!
I just think it's rude to group people together... it's prejudice and I dislike all forms of it. I know it will never go away but it doesn't hurt to vent a little bit.
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This takes me back to the "So I am an escort" thread. Strippers are not better than escorts., escorts are not better than pornstars and camgirls are no better than massage girls. To everyone else outside of this industry, We are all considered whores believe it or not. Its just funny that a stripper would support such site. It's very misleading. Nuff said.
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i would like to think that most strippers are not prostitutes because i would like to think that most strippers dont do extras. i think i might be being too optimistic :(.
another thought, it speaks out against almost all sex tourism. i dont think sex tourism is necessarily synonymous with sex slavery either, just the same as Strip clubs is not. think of amsterdam, i am pretty sure the market there is reliable and safe enough that almost all the women who work in the red light district are there by choice. im sure human trafficking does occur there, but i think the sex tourism there is a good thing for them.
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Originally Posted by
malayataylor
omg.. did you not read what i wrote Laurisa??
I guess I'm not black then because I can swim.
The author never even said anything about ALL strippers being prostitutes..
she said almost always which i agree with!
People generalize escorts with streetwalkers... so whooptie do!
I have to agree that many (not all) strippers are whores or pseudo whores. By pseudo I mean they may not engage in sexual intercourse, but might allow things like fingering or handjobs. There have been many threads about this subject from dancers saying things like "I can't compete with the extras girls" or "I had to allow the customer to suck my boob". I would go as far to say that even though I worked in the 90's when clubs were generally "clean" there were still club whores, they just weren't as common as they are now where many clubs are upfront about this. It was much more common then to be a clean dancer and still make money (I always did).
Incidentally, I got into the business when the idea of "gentlemens clubs" were booming, but it was right after the strip clubs that were brothels were being closed. Many of these dancer/whores (and at these clubs they were required to have sex) started at gentlemens clubs and some still did tricks, only not in the club. What some of these women have told me about the sleazy strip clubs was very sad.
I think part of the problem is considering what would make a dancer a whore and it varies from dancer to dancer. I never did lap dances or allowed men to touch me and I have mixed feelings on these (though I wouldn't say they were whores). However anything more, including kissing and then we have issues. I once got in trouble for kissing a regular on the cheek, yet by today's standards it's tame. In my entire career I've only kissed one customer and it's the one I hope I eventually marry. Of course it could be said by some that dating him (and contacting him outside of the club) makes me a whore, so it's a slippery slope (though I never charged him to date me, I dated him because I love him). I've known a few girls who became escorts and to me they were more honest about it then if they had been ITC whores. These were often the cleanest dancers who figured if they had to make money doing extras, then why not take control of it and make a ton of money? I don't fault them at all.
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malayataylor
This takes me back to the "So I am an escort" thread. Strippers are not better than escorts., escorts are not better than pornstars and camgirls are no better than massage girls. To everyone else outside of this industry, We are all considered whores believe it or not. Its just funny that a stripper would support such site. It's very misleading. Nuff said.
I think we can say that the jobs are different without making a judgment as to which is "better."
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loren
It is very rare for me to see guys from Australia buying dances from anyone out here. Same thing with guys from Germany where prostitution is very common and legal. I meet guys from all over the world every day that I work. Anytime I meet guys from places where prostitution is legal they usually don't get dances. They just watch the stage without tipping and ask girls to go back to their hotel for sex. This has been my experience.
Do you really think your personal experience has more relevance than the fact that so many strip clubs have continued to exist since prostitution has been made legal? What about the girls here who work in Australia? Do you think they're all resorting to extras?
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Elvia
I think we can say that the jobs are different without making a judgment as to which is "better."
agree! :)
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I read an article a while ago on trafficked people that gave some explanation why the girls or whoever is being trafficked are targeted and pimps aren't.
The article was mostly focused on undocumented immigrants, say taken from Mexico then moved to the States. It suggested that part of the reason authorities often arrest the trafficked person is in hopes that they will help prosecution identify and convict other trafficked persons (and maybe the pimps). This of course results in further convictions and deportations than just a john and a prostitute.
Also from some of my own understanding of undocumented workers, a pimp or john is more likely to have access to resources than someone who is trafficked and may not understand English (potentially agreeing to be deported/to their crime without full knowledge). A pimp or john would have more potential to ask for a lawyer/public defender, know not to answer questions without one, and possibly get some bail money by relying on family, friends, or themselves. The trafficked person's position may be used against them and they may think they will get some kind of aid/assistance or be allowed to stay in the country if they follow all the rules, which as I mentioned earlier results in them being very helpful to authorities.
So in short, it's just easier and more efficient (but definitely not fair!) for law enforcement to arrest sex workers.
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Even if prostitution were legal and the government made the ladies (or even men, there are male prostitutes) get checked up for STD's, this doesn't really totally prevent the spread of diseases. The "john's" are never checked for STD's...and then they give STD's to the prostitutes. So what's the point? A woman could get an STD from a John, and then have sex with 20 other men between the time she got the STD and goes for her std tests and gets treatment for it. I think it's a big logical fallacy to say oh when prostitution is legalized it will totally cut down on the passing of disease. It might only partially do so.
I agree with one poster here, if prostitution is legalized it will likely make the market price of sex go down since more ladies will enter the profession since they don't have the worry of getting arrested holding them back from getting into this line of work.
I don't think it should be legalized. Then more and more people will get into the profession, and it's not exactly the healthiest profession, mentally ,physically, etc. It can be very dangerous. It can take a toll psychologically, girls start getting into drugs/alcohol to numb themselves, etc.
But I think if a woman chooses to do this line of work, her top choice would be to, provided that she's lucky to have good english skills and is educated enough to figure out how to navigate through this stuff, be an independent escort/sugar baby. Being independent the ladies can pick and choose who their clients are. This is opposite of doing an escort service where you're sent to strange men's hotels, you have no idea if this guy will be a monster or someone who'll steal your money first then rape and strangle you, or just be a very obnoxious man who will be disgusting and insulting etc etc... Being independent you have more control and power to make it a positive experience than a negative one.
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junigirl
Even if prostitution were legal and the government made the ladies (or even men, there are male prostitutes) get checked up for STD's, this doesn't really totally prevent the spread of diseases. The "john's" are never checked for STD's...and then they give STD's to the prostitutes. So what's the point? A woman could get an STD from a John, and then have sex with 20 other men between the time she got the STD and goes for her std tests and gets treatment for it. I think it's a big logical fallacy to say oh when prostitution is legalized it will totally cut down on the passing of disease. It might only partially do so.
I agree with one poster here, if prostitution is legalized it will likely make the market price of sex go down since more ladies will enter the profession since they don't have the worry of getting arrested holding them back from getting into this line of work.
I don't think it should be legalized. Then more and more people will get into the profession, and it's not exactly the healthiest profession, mentally ,physically, etc. It can be very dangerous. It can take a toll psychologically, girls start getting into drugs/alcohol to numb themselves, etc.
But I think if a woman chooses to do this line of work, her top choice would be to, provided that she's lucky to have good english skills and is educated enough to figure out how to navigate through this stuff, be an independent escort/sugar baby. Being independent the ladies can pick and choose who their clients are. This is opposite of doing an escort service where you're sent to strange men's hotels, you have no idea if this guy will be a monster or someone who'll steal your money first then rape and strangle you, or just be a very obnoxious man who will be disgusting and insulting etc etc... Being independent you have more control and power to make it a positive experience than a negative one.
Yes this is why I went the indie route. I feel very very very safe now. When I was working with a highend agency I was never at peace. I always felt uncomfortable and paranoid. Now that I am independent I go above and beyond the norm when screening my clients and thanks to my screening skills I've never had a bad date.
I agree with everything you said. Alot of newbie escorts think they're safer working with an agency THIS is not true. Alot of agencies are constantly targeted by the cops. I have had two cops write me this year asking to see me and actually filing out my screening form because they couldn't get around my screening method to lie. One of them even offered to pay me via paypal and I declined, Says alot eh? Screening is very easy to learn.
For anyone interested in this business I recommend . I pretty much learned almost everything I know from that site and .. Education is the best weapon in this business. I wouldn't recommend this business to someone that was all beauty and no brains because no brains will easily get busted.
I get crazy pms from ladies wanting to get into escorting .. (mostly out of desperation) but I ignore them thinking ooh this could end very very bad. Alot of ladies think it's look hot, get pampered, get fucked, get paid.. nope! It's a business for those with smarts. Those that know how to market themselves and charge those high rates ($400 an up) I feel any escort charging lower than that is shorting themselves big time. I always think like "Damn 3 appointments .. hey that's rent... 4 more that's all my bills for this month" I honestly don't know why other don't think like this. I hate that alot of women feel like the less you charge the more clients you get.. It's bull. Louis vuitton doesn't go on sale so why should we? Always charge what you're worth and you'll feel empowered, proud and really fucking HOT ( ok this is from personal experience) Why work hard..? work smart! Why women let other make money off of their bodies is beyond me. I understand the whole working with an agency but I recommend ANY newbie that wants to start escorting to find an independent escort that will teach you the ropes. Don't let an agency or pimp or anyone exploit you!
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Exactly!Louis v bags never go on sale, why should you?when you pull discounts on yourself you'll only feel ugly and gross. You have to look yourself in the mirror every day and live in your own body. If you feel like you're in a psychological prison, then it's not worth it. Ladies be ahead of the game. I only spend time w guys outside of the club who treat me like a lady and who respect me and are people I wouldn't mind hanging with otherwise. Any other situation, where a guy tries to lower your price, not worth it. I'd feel gross afterwards, and not proud of myself. Disrespecting yourself like that only leads to low-self esteem, and that's like a cancer disease that only cripples you and sets you in a downward spiral.
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junigirl
Exactly!Louis v bags never go on sale, why should you?when you pull discounts on yourself you'll only feel ugly and gross. You have to look yourself in the mirror every day and live in your own body. If you feel like you're in a psychological prison, then it's not worth it. Ladies be ahead of the game. I only spend time w guys outside of the club who treat me like a lady and who respect me and are people I wouldn't mind hanging with otherwise. Any other situation, where a guy tries to lower your price, not worth it. I'd feel gross afterwards, and not proud of myself. Disrespecting yourself like that only leads to low-self esteem, and that's like a cancer disease that only cripples you and sets you in a downward spiral.
I like you.. I like the way you think. I really wish others would think like this.
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I feel those bad for those that are captured/kidnapped/drugged and forced into prostitution. I really do and wish there was a way I could help them. Those women don't have an out. They're confused/manipulated/beated and raped over and over again and have pretty much gave up on life. On the other hand, It's really sad when I see gorgeous woman that isn't being held against her will but lets a man abuse her and force her into prostitiution KNOWING she can get out but she just dosen't.
Alot of ladies here ask me "Don't you feel dirty afterwards?" Hell no! why should I? I Just got paid an insane amount of money for 10 minutes of sex (usually how long they last lol) and 50 minutes of (I must say, pretty damn good) conversation, I got what I wanted and he left a very happy man, I'm ecstatic. I can walk into any store and get what I want before escort work I would pretty much window shop and dream about those jimmy choos I'm now wearing. As a young mother, My daughter has everything she wants and will be given the best education money can buy (I started a college fun for her once I started my escort career) Any woman with smarts can get into this business but PLEASSSEEE don't become a hooker/whore/escort/whatever because you're desperate for money because you'll only end up hating it and hating yourself for it big time. I just say if you're going to be a hooker make it worth your time.. don't go around fucking for $200 an hour like the rest of these chicks.. you're a bugatti not a toyota.. Treat yourself well, pamper and love yourself because you really are that fucking amazing and Men will treat you like treasure trust me! Be safe everyone!
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malayataylor
I get crazy pms from ladies wanting to get into escorting .. (mostly out of desperation) but I ignore them thinking ooh this could end very very bad. Alot of ladies think it's look hot, get pampered, get fucked, get paid.. nope! It's a business for those with smarts. Those that know how to market themselves and charge those high rates ($400 an up) I feel any escort charging lower than that is shorting themselves big time. I always think like "Damn 3 appointments .. hey that's rent... 4 more that's all my bills for this month" I honestly don't know why other don't think like this. I hate that alot of women feel like the less you charge the more clients you get.. It's bull. Louis vuitton doesn't go on sale so why should we? Always charge what you're worth and you'll feel empowered, proud and really fucking HOT ( ok this is from personal experience) Why work hard..? work smart! Why women let other make money off of their bodies is beyond me. I understand the whole working with an agency but I recommend ANY newbie that wants to start escorting to find an independent escort that will teach you the ropes. Don't let an agency or pimp or anyone exploit you!
This is excellent advice and I would say it applies to any form of adult entertainment. When I booked shows or did my own I had a set rate and the few times I lowered the rate (mostly because it was off season and it was a referral) the shows were full of cheapskates. I remember walking out of these parties angry because I made less than I did with the higher rates. I hate to say this, but higher rates means higher qualities of men. The parties I did the majority were professional men getting married later in life. I didn't go into the low income areas at all nor did I generally do parties for certain types of guys. I danced for a variety of races, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, and (most likely which makes me feel happy) diverse parties where people were of all races. I've danced for college kids (most were so shy) and senior citizens.
When I started, and worked for an agency I did two parties and made $80 for two parties. Both parties were full of guys trying to grope me and I screamed but nothing was done. Neither party was in a great area either. Compare this to when I went on my own and booked my parties. I usually walked out with anything from $300-$1,000 doing strictly legit parties with no touch. Because of this I was able to turn down parties, and often did, unless another dancer wanted the show (and a few didn't mind these parties). If a party was full of druggies or creepy looking guys I was on alert and at the first sign of trouble I was out of there. Incidentally, the worst party I ever did was for cops and firefighters and generally after that I avoided them because I found that in the case of cops they were often the most persistant about extras, and have known strippers who were busted for doing parties, even if they did nothing.
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Kellydancer
I hate to say this, but higher rates means higher qualities of men.
Correct Kelly. I am glad you realized this and didn't sell yourself short.
Alot of women don't realize this or they realize it later on in life and think "Damn I could have been making that" I am glad at 21 I know this and this is what I am experiencing. Today I had a guy contact me for an appointment for an hour and a half.. well I don't have that rate listed on my site its more like 400 for one.. 700 for two and so on well.. I tell him my modeling fees are $600. He goes "Naomi (my work name) I'd pay whatever you asked just to see you", Very very polite man too. That was just music to my ears. My clients are all very polished, clean, very well educated, refined, well traveled, well dressed men (most of them) with very good taste in women .. of course :)
Men will pay anything BUT they'll also take what you give them.. c'mon you think if I offered one of my high paying clients a free date he wouldn't take it? Of course he would. Who dosen't like "free" or a "discount" AND guess what? When you put yourself on special do you think they're going to pay the original rate when the so called special is over? HELL NO! They'll move on the next one if you tried to raise your rates again. Why pay 1k for something you've already had for 400? There are ways around this but ehh.. I'll save that for another thread :)
Hey I just thought about something it takes 7 men a month to maintain my lifestyle.. that's just fucking awesome.. not bad :)
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malayataylor
Correct Kelly. I am glad you realized this and didn't sell yourself short.
Alot of women don't realize this or they realize it later on in life and think "Damn I could have been making that" I am glad at 21 I know this and this is what I am experiencing. Today I had a guy contact me for an appointment for an hour and a half.. well I don't have that rate listed on my site its more like 400 for one.. 700 for two and so on well.. I tell him my modeling fees are $600. He goes "Naomi (my work name) I'd pay whatever you asked just to see you", Very very polite man too. That was just music to my ears. My clients are all very polished, clean, very well educated, refined, well traveled, well dressed men (most of them) with very good taste in women .. of course :)
Men will pay anything BUT they'll also take what you give them.. c'mon you think if I offered one of my high paying clients a free date he wouldn't take it? Of course he would. Who dosen't like "free" or a "discount" AND guess what? When you put yourself on special do you think they're going to pay the original rate when the so called special is over? HELL NO! They'll move on the next one if you tried to raise your rates again. Why pay 1k for something you've already had for 400? There are ways around this but ehh.. I'll save that for another thread :)
Hey I just thought about something it takes 7 men a month to maintain my lifestyle.. that's just fucking awesome.. not bad :)
Sadly, many women think if they'll charge lower they'll get more work. Personally, I'd rather work less and make the same amount. I am confident in myself knowing I am worth the extra amount. You are exactly right, guys aren't open to paying higher rates once you lower them. I remember I once did a cheap party for a guy who I had done other business for. It was offseason (I think it was March or so) so I charged slightly less than I normally did. It was generally a decent crowd and the groom told me not to dance for him because he loved his soon to be wife so much, but one guy seemed to think I had interest in him and kept saying he wanted to date me. Anyway, I got other calls from the other guys asking if I would do their parties for the same rate and when I said no they got upset. I knew I couldn't keep the low rates because if I got into that habit and when heavy party season started (usually around May or so) I didn't want to lose out on more money because of doing these other parties. Because I worked for myself I often got calls telling me to lower my rates. I told them that I deserve to make the same as an agency (I later started an agency). Plus when I did start an agency and hired other dancers because I got paid the same as the other agencies I was able to hire quality dancers. If I charged less I would have gotten the dancers the other agencies rejected.
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Originally Posted by
loren
It is very rare for me to see guys from Australia buying dances from anyone out here. Same thing with guys from Germany where prostitution is very common and legal. I meet guys from all over the world every day that I work. Anytime I meet guys from places where prostitution is legal they usually don't get dances. They just watch the stage without tipping and ask girls to go back to their hotel for sex. This has been my experience.
I've experienced the same thing. I have a dancer friend who was raised and lives in Germany. She tried working at clubs there but she said she made barely any money, because prostitution is legal and so why would guys pay for just a dance? They'd expect more than that.
Is prostitution legal all over Australia or only in certain regions? That might explain why some dancers in Australia might be doing well, because they're dancing in a region/city where prostitution isn't legal? I gotta google for some info on that.
I think that when prostitution becomes legal then more guys cross the line and start buying prostitutes, and more girls get into prostitution so then the market price lowers because they have many other ladies to compete against, and because guys say "hey the one over there offered lower prices...and since it's legal I have a wide selection of ladies to choose from and i'm not afraid to negotiate with them since I feel nice and free don't gotta worry about arrests." Then women who enjoy working in just a strip club dancing, or just doing web cam work, and who don't want to cross the line over into selling herself for sex...she will suffer because more of the men will think " why should I go to strip club when I can get a lady to keep me warm for the night and give me full service, for not tha tmuch money?" And guys probably will be able to find a real live girl to have sex with rather than spend money on web cam or whatever. I dunno. So all the girls in school who are stripping to help pay for school, they'll start going crazy because working at a strip club just doing dances and no-sex vip rooms is not lucrative, and they're better off just making just the same as a waitress, but they have to work long hours and that's screwing with their school work and study time. It just fucks with the work jobs women could have. And the ladies who are prostitutes might say "fuck why did I support it being legal in the end? I thought it'd b great because I don't have to worry about getting arrested anymore. Now I wanna shoot myself in the foot because now I have many women who dove into this line of work since they're not paranoid about arrest now that it's legal, and with pussy available everywhere the guys aren't willing to pay so much, and guys don't wanna pay my price so I have to lower my fees." Maybe for a short while after the legalization there will be a boom in the business with more guys not feeling paranoid about getting arrested and therefore decide to take the leap into requesting service, maybe guys will not seek out discounts, but I think eventually they will and the market price will go down. And legalization will probably make the sex slavery/trafficking problem even bigger because no one will /no girls will get arrested and give testimony to that they're being trafficked. So I think in the end the legalization of prostitution just benefits the men who seek those services, and does a disservice to all women everywhere.
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junigirl
So I think in the end the legalization of prostitution just benefits the men who seek those services, and does a disservice to all women everywhere.
That sentence really says a lot. I agree with you that in the end that is what it will do. It will be more of a benefit to the john's than to the women providing the services. You hit the nail right on the head.
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In the past it has always been the "church lady" house wives, who had never worked in the sex industry, who argued against all aspects of the industry. Their arguments were not effective because they had no real life experience. Women who have actually worked in various areas of the sex industry can speak on this subject effectively and intelligently. We have seen the negative changes in all areas the industry in recent years due to human trafficking and legalized prostitution in different countries throughout the world.
What comes after legalized prostitution? If men can legally buy women then why would they get married? So does this mean that dowries will come back? Marry my daughter and I'll give you money. What if your family does not have any money? Then they can make money off of you by selling you into prostitution.
What guy would want to hire a woman for a regular job? I haven't had sex with her yet....If I give her a job then I can't have sex with her at the brothel.
The more I read on the subject the more it scares me that the world is reverting back to midevil times in their views on women. I don't want that to happen. But it already is.
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Interesting thoughts ^^^ above. True legalization of it might change men's views on women etc..in those ways you mentioned. The views would affect everyday life etc. That was interesting the thing about a family who doesn't have money might sell their kids into it. That's scary stuff but true, they'd be more likely to pimp their kids out since prostitution if it were legal and they didnt have to be paranoid about getting arrested for it. Imagine how it'd fuck up their kids psychologically etc. Sexuality is a special thing. If it's exploited or used in the wrong way or under unfair circumstances, it can really get fucked up and fuck the person up.
The housewives church ladies bit was interesting. To hear views from women who've actually been in the sex industry or who have sold themselves or just worked in a strip club and experienced everything from clean clubs and dancing to guys demanding lots of stuff or willinging doing a vip room with sex because the guy willing to tip. All of those are real perspectives, from people who have been there done that. What do they say, there's the theory of what people think things are like, and then there's the actual reality of things. Some idea in theory might sound good, but in practice it can have totally different results. When people think shallowly and not deeply, it can lead to some big ugly logical fallacies. And when those end up fucking up people's lives, it's not good
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loren
In the past it has always been the "church lady" house wives, who had never worked in the sex industry, who argued against all aspects of the industry. Their arguments were not effective because they had no real life experience. Women who have actually worked in various areas of the sex industry can speak on this subject effectively and intelligently. We have seen the negative changes in all areas the industry in recent years due to human trafficking and legalized prostitution in different countries throughout the world.
What comes after legalized prostitution? If men can legally buy women then why would they get married? So does this mean that dowries will come back? Marry my daughter and I'll give you money. What if your family does not have any money? Then they can make money off of you by selling you into prostitution.
What guy would want to hire a woman for a regular job? I haven't had sex with her yet....If I give her a job then I can't have sex with her at the brothel.
The more I read on the subject the more it scares me that the world is reverting back to midevil times in their views on women. I don't want that to happen. But it already is.
You bring up a lot of good points and it pertains to many aspects of our life, sex industry or not. I've been reading many articles that mail order brides (or rather online brides or whatever they'd be) are on the increase. Guys don't want to date American women anymore in many cases (probably because he couldn't control her). Because many women rush into sex, or even kids with guys, many guys don't see the reason for marriage, etc. It's a dangerous slope. That's not to say women shouldn't engage in sex, but when too many do it does remove a lot of incentives to find a true love match. The more we become sexualized, the worse it is for all women. For instance in the paper today there was an article on how hard it is to find "professional" clothes without a plunging neckline. Many wedding gowns I've seen online (yes I admit I look at gowns) look like something I would have worn at a few clubs, etc. This is all dangerous to women in the sex industry because guys often say "why should I pay a stripper when I can ogle the woman at work?", or "why should I hire an escort when I can pick up a girl online for free". Because sex and nudity is so easy to find online, it makes people who work in the industry often have to resort to more and more to receive less and less.
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i'm all for high end, independent prostitution.
but that doesn't change the fact that women (though a very large number of them wouldn't be women as they are legally still children) are forced into prostitution either by force or circumstance. it doesn't change the fact that a lot of low level pimps are forcing girls to take client after client after client for chump change. most trafficked girls aren't foreign, at least not in america. most of them are just young and have run away from horrible lives only to be pushed into another horrible life.
a guy might not be able to get a high end indie prostitute for less than a couple lapdances in a club, but he can get a scared little girl with a bunch of bruises for less. sometimes a whole lot less. and not just a blowjob either.
and a lot of the guys who go for that are perverts who get off more on the girl being reduced to a shell, to nothing, to just wanting to die and not even having the willpower to kill herself, than they do the sex. they are sadists.
this situation is bad for stripclub business. even men who don't rape these girls will get cheap independents lowering their prices to compete, and again, why go to stripclubs then. but it isn't just about clubs. it's about society. the more these sadists are able to have their way, the more brutal they become, and the worse they behave in their day to day lives. and that's very scary.
just because some prostitutes get into it of their own free will doesn't mean that all do.
hell, i've met strippers who had pimps. and i doubt they were clean about it. i'm sure they did their extras. but it's simple to understand. if a girl hasn't ever had anyone be nice to her, then even if a guy turns her out and takes the money and beats her if he feels like it, he's still probably nicer to her than anybody else has been. and then there's the others who are just clueless and will whore around for free or strip or prostitute and always be broke, and i can understand why they'd get with a pimp too.
it's just assholes taking advantage of people.