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Winning converts to straightness
I was in an SC with my gay male friend (what!). A girl who looked a lot like charlie61 got on stage. He remarked at how beautiful she was. I asked him if he wanted an LD, he hesitated, but said yes. I tipped her and asked her to come give him an LD after she got off stage. She never showed up (if that was you charlie, I want $5 back). He was not interested in any other dancer. He is not very comfortable with being gay, he's traditional, his mom wants grandchildren. Have any dancers had experiences with gay guys who were trying to convert, or wanted dances for some other reason? (Or with bi-curious women?) You hear about how the bible-thumpers have "conversion clinics" or something, maybe that could be an alternative source of employment for dancers.
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Nope. I've had gay male friends come to clubs and buy dances, but not actually want to convert. I have seen women customers come in and be turned on by a woman that they wanted to experiement.
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Never experienced this directly and overtly. Although I've had a few guys pay me just to hang out with them in private LD rooms while making it seem to their buddies they were going to get dances. Maybe some of them were gay?
Its hard to know if a guy in the club is really gay or not. Sometimes guys will think they are cute and funny and try to fuck with the dancer, saying, "oooh, I'm gay I can't buy a dance" and the others laughing at the rejection. So stupid. Fortunately shit like that rolls off my shoulders and I could move on. My point being, never believe anything a stripper says, and don't believe much a custy says.
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KS_Stevia
.... Sometimes guys will think they are cute and funny and try to fuck with the dancer, saying, "oooh, I'm gay I can't buy a dance" and the others laughing at the rejection. So stupid. Fortunately shit like that rolls off my shoulders and I could move on. My point being, never believe anything a stripper says, and don't believe much a custy says.
It would be kinda funny if you memorized a few of those "man shall not lie with man" Bible verses, and repeated them to those guys. Then tell the guy he should buy some dances so you can "straighten" him out so he won't go to Hell.
Too bad I can't post in Hustle Hut.
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ilbbaicnl
He is not very comfortable with being gay, he's traditional, his mom wants grandchildren. Have any dancers had experiences with gay guys who were trying to convert, or wanted dances for some other reason? (Or with bi-curious women?) You hear about how the bible-thumpers have "conversion clinics" or something, maybe that could be an alternative source of employment for dancers.
K, this part is nagging at me. Firstly, his mom can have grandchildren: it's called having a surrogate (in this case a woman who will carry a child with your biological material, and either she or an egg donor contributes the other half).
Secondly, why should we want to "convert" someone from being gay? Those conversion programs are basically teaching gay people to hate themselves and twist their entire being into something they're not, so they can be looked upon with approval by judgmental fuckfaces. If he's gay, he should work on accepting that, rather than desperately denying it. It's only going to cause him more pain in the long run.
As for gay men coming into the clubs, I get them once in a while. they think booty tricks are hilarious, and some of them are super into boobs (because they are a symbol of femininity while not strictly sexual, maybe?). They seem to have a good time.
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Otoki
K, this part is nagging at me. Firstly, his mom can have grandchildren: it's called having a surrogate (in this case a woman who will carry a child with your biological material, and either she or an egg donor contributes the other half).
Secondly, why should we want to "convert" someone from being gay? Those conversion programs are basically teaching gay people to hate themselves and twist their entire being into something they're not, so they can be looked upon with approval by judgmental fuckfaces. If he's gay, he should work on accepting that, rather than desperately denying it. It's only going to cause him more pain in the long run.
As for gay men coming into the clubs, I get them once in a while. they think booty tricks are hilarious, and some of them are super into boobs (because they are a symbol of femininity while not strictly sexual, maybe?). They seem to have a good time.
I agree. I couldn't figure out if this thread was a joke or what. But the idea of "converting" someone from their sexuality is really offensive to me. Sexuality can't be forced or molded on some arbitrary, ridiculous religious whim.
And I've noticed the same thing -- lots of gay men love a hot chick. It's genuine appreciation and it's great fun.
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Originally Posted by
ilbbaicnl
I was in an SC with my gay male friend (what!). A girl who looked a lot like charlie61 got on stage. He remarked at how beautiful she was. I asked him if he wanted an LD, he hesitated, but said yes. I tipped her and asked her to come give him an LD after she got off stage. She never showed up (if that was you charlie, I want $5 back). He was not interested in any other dancer. He is not very comfortable with being gay, he's traditional, his mom wants grandchildren. Have any dancers had experiences with gay guys who were trying to convert, or wanted dances for some other reason? (Or with bi-curious women?) You hear about how the bible-thumpers have "conversion clinics" or something, maybe that could be an alternative source of employment for dancers.
I don't know anything about this, but that never stops me from commenting.
I would expect that if the "gay" guy is actually bi, then the SC might help to stimulate his "straight" desires. On the other hand, if he is 100% gay, there would be no sexual stimulation whatsoever from looking at the girls nor from a lapdance.
To the OP -> Assuming you are 100% straight - imagine yourself going to a male revue and watching a lot of male exotic dancers with male-model bodies. Would this get you the least bit turned on? Not if you are 100% straight, because, even if you acknowledge that the guys are fit and buff, your body is not wired to react sexually to this stimulus. So, the same logic should apply to the gay guy in a SC with female dancers.
That said, the SC is a good place for your frient to determine if he is really gay (i.e., 100% gay) or bi.
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jack: The sexual orientation thing is very complicated, it involves culture more than we think. In other (non-English-speaking) countries, there are many more bisexuals, and fewer exclusively homosexual people. In ancient Greece and Rome, it wasn't considered unmasculine for a man to have sex with another man, as long as he was the pitcher.
Everyone: the last sentence was meant as a joke, I didn't realize it would offend anyone, sorry.
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I don't know about gay men in female dancer SC's, but bi/bi-curious/lesbian customers are fairly common.
Or so I'm told ;)
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Why don't you let your friend take you to a male strip club and see how you enjoy the whole converting thing?
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Trem
Why don't you let your friend take you to a male strip club and see how you enjoy the whole converting thing?
Or you could put on your thong and PM me a picture.
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Otoki
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As for gay men coming into the clubs, I get them once in a while. they think booty tricks are hilarious, and some of them are super into boobs (because they are a symbol of femininity while not strictly sexual, maybe?). They seem to have a good time.
I've known some gay guys who don't understand why the dancers get mad if they go to a club (with girl dancers) and are deadbeats. They think that, since it's not sexual to them, they don't owe the dancers, even though they're entertained by the dancers. It's funny how people can convince themselves they should get something for nothing.
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plenty of gay men can appreciate female beauty. they aren't interested in dating it or fucking it. there's a reason why so much advertising uses attractive females...because they appeal to pretty much everyone.
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ilbbaicnl
jack: The sexual orientation thing is very complicated, it involves culture more than we think. In other (non-English-speaking) countries, there are many more bisexuals, and fewer exclusively homosexual people. In ancient Greece and Rome, it wasn't considered unmasculine for a man to have sex with another man, as long as he was the pitcher.
I agree that there are many more bi or potentially bi people than we generally recognize (specially females - I think most are bi or potentially bi in the sexual context). For example, "straight" guys that like strap-on action with their GFs fucking them in the ass are bi, in my opinion. - This was the subject of a debate on another thread and many disagreed with me, because technically, the guy was having sex with a woman.
My point is that if your friend is even 1% bi, he might get some arousal at the SC. This is not a "conversion", but just a manifestation that he is bi (as opposed to gay). The only method of "conversion" is to sustain high levels of heterosexual stimulation on a continuous basis (i.e., a super sexy nympho babe), so that his heterosexual half is continually turned on and the homosexual half is dormant.
But, on the other hand, no arousal will be indicative that he is 100% gay. No "conversion" is possible. In this case, the cultural pressure is to get aroused (i.e., have a "straight" sexual response), so if he fails at this, cultural pressure cannot be blamed.
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ilbbaicnl
I've known some gay guys who don't understand why the dancers get mad if they go to a club (with girl dancers) and are deadbeats. They think that, since it's not sexual to them, they don't owe the dancers, even though they're entertained by the dancers. It's funny how people can convince themselves they should get something for nothing.
Oh, I've never had that. Those boys have always tipped, even if they end up not getting dances:)
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Otoki
Secondly, why should we want to "convert" someone from being gay? Those conversion programs are basically teaching gay people to hate themselves and twist their entire being into something they're not, so they can be looked upon with approval by judgmental fuckfaces. If he's gay, he should work on accepting that, rather than desperately denying it. It's only going to cause him more pain in the long run.
That's for them to decide, not you. They go to the conversion clinics voluntarily, sometimes because they already "hate" being homosexual, and not because they were told they should hate it. The fact is we have no scientific reason to believe that homosexuality is good, so you have no reason to insist that it is. They need to find out for themselves. There is more pain in being unsure about oneself than searching for real answers. If it turns out homosexuality is wrong, and some don't find out until they are advanced in age, that would be more painful than if they went to some trouble to be sure earlier in life. Because you have no reason to be sure.
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Ok, I didn't read the whole thread, as it is pretty ridiculous, but converting?? Avtually changing the electrical activity of your brain? Pretty damn out there imo.
2nd half of that question.....yep, had a notoriously gay guy, who said he knew from about 2 or 3 on who was obsessed with my tits (and with everything about Madonna), every single weekend he was asking to grab my boobs....it was weird, tbh, not even a really sexual vibe, just a this is unique and therefore interests me vibe....hard to describe. So, imo, there are all different degrees of sexuality.
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The whole "conversion" thing is a pathetic joke. You are what you are, period. The poor gay souls who so desperately want to "convert" are the ones who have been demonized by their families or churches, and will try to do anything to appease these people and "fit in" to what everyone else wants them to be. Anyone who claims to have been "converted" is just suppressing their true inclinations for others approval and sadly living a lie. Many announce years later that they never were actually made "straight" - that they just buried their true sexuality in order to appear "normal". Thank goodness that it is so much easier for us to be who we really are today.
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lopaw
The whole "conversion" thing is a pathetic joke. You are what you are, period. The poor gay souls who so desperately want to "convert" are the ones who have been demonized by their families or churches, and will try to do anything to appease these people and "fit in" to what everyone else wants them to be. Anyone who claims to have been "converted" is just suppressing their true inclinations for others approval and sadly living a lie. Many announce years later that they never were actually made "straight" - that they just buried their true sexuality in order to appear "normal". Thank goodness that it is so much easier for us to be who we really are today.
So true!! I've known I was bi since kindergarten! I denied it for years and pretended to be straight (even to myself) so I didn't get screamed at for my girl crushes (and as you said, demonized by my family and friends), but 20 yrs of denial didn't change my preferences one iota. I HATE that people assume that sexuality is a choice! I have always enjoyed women and men pretty much equally.
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jack0177057
But, on the other hand, no arousal will be indicative that he is 100% gay. No "conversion" is possible. In this case, the cultural pressure is to get aroused (i.e., have a "straight" sexual response), so if he fails at this, cultural pressure cannot be blamed.
This is untrue. Being aroused by sexual stimuli is not proof either way that someone is or isn't gay/straight/bi. We are hardwired to be aroused by sexual images and ideas. If you show a gay man a beautiful naked woman and he experiences arousal, it doesn't prove anything except he's a human.
Many lesbians love to watch gay male porn. It arouses them. How would you interpret that?
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lopaw
The whole "conversion" thing is a pathetic joke. You are what you are, period. The poor gay souls who so desperately want to "convert" are the ones who have been demonized by their families or churches, and will try to do anything to appease these people and "fit in" to what everyone else wants them to be. Anyone who claims to have been "converted" is just suppressing their true inclinations for others approval and sadly living a lie. Many announce years later that they never were actually made "straight" - that they just buried their true sexuality in order to appear "normal". Thank goodness that it is so much easier for us to be who we really are today.
You ultimately don't have any reason to state all that except that being lesbian suits you personally. Since we are practically not allowed to question the issue, because to do so is "homophobic", we are probably not going to know for some time. Not every homosexual who seeks treatment of some kind does so because of "demonization". By claiming this you are really just creating a pretext for imposing your own views on them, which is the same thing you are accusing churches and relations of doing. Why don't you just do what you choose and let others do what they choose? It's not real liberation otherwise. Other people's decisions don't affect you.
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noelle
This is untrue. Being aroused by sexual stimuli is not proof either way that someone is or isn't gay/straight/bi. We are hardwired to be aroused by sexual images and ideas. If you show a gay man a beautiful naked woman and he experiences arousal, it doesn't prove anything except he's a human.
Many lesbians love to watch gay male porn. It arouses them. How would you interpret that?
I wasn't talking about being aroused - which can be unpredictable and misleading (for example - rape victims can show "signs" of arousal, which is a biological response, and not really an indication of pleasure).
I was talking about total lack of arousal or lack of response to the stimulus of a hot semi-naked women dancing erotically. No response is probably a sign of no interest or desire for women. Of course, there are common sense exceptions to this - e.g., depression because his mother died or his wife just left him, exhaustion, illness, inebriation, digust because of bad BO or bad breath, there is only one dancer in the SC and she is not attractive, impotence, etc.
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Hopper
You ultimately don't have any reason to state all that except that being lesbian suits you personally. Since we are practically not allowed to question the issue, because to do so is "homophobic", we are probably not going to know for some time. Not every homosexual who seeks treatment of some kind does so because of "demonization". By claiming this you are really just creating a pretext for imposing your own views on them, which is the same thing you are accusing churches and relations of doing. Why don't you just do what you choose and let others do what they choose? It's not real liberation otherwise. Other people's decisions don't affect you.
LOL!
Oh what a bunch of steaming-hot, runny BULLSHIT. You don't even know wtf you're talking about.
Listen, pal - people are gonna do whatever the fuck they want to do regardless of what you or I say. And their decisions, good or bad, don't affect YOU either.
Do me a favor-
Turn gay, try to convert back to hetero thru "conversion therapy", and then let us know how it goes.
Until then - STFU.
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Hopper
That's for them to decide, not you. They go to the conversion clinics voluntarily, sometimes because they already "hate" being homosexual, and not because they were told they should hate it. The fact is we have no scientific reason to believe that homosexuality is good, so you have no reason to insist that it is. They need to find out for themselves. There is more pain in being unsure about oneself than searching for real answers. If it turns out homosexuality is wrong, and some don't find out until they are advanced in age, that would be more painful than if they went to some trouble to be sure earlier in life. Because you have no reason to be sure.
Are you implying that homosexuality is wrong onto itself, or just wrong for those individuals questioning their own sexuality? Your wording implies the former, under a not-so-thin guise of "scientific" study.
On what do you base these impressions?
Are you a closeted homosexual?
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lopaw
LOL!
Oh what a bunch of steaming-hot, runny BULLSHIT. You don't even know wtf you're talking about.
So you think science has proven homosexuality to be normal and healthy and you are justified in deciding for other homosexuals who don't agree.
Homosexuality being good or normal is not an established fact, it is a blind doctrine of the gay lib movement and it is being imposed on the rest of society by pure intimidation and psychological manipulation. This is no different to religion forbidding the questioning of religious doctrines. That makes you guilty of the same thing you are accusing church groups of.
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Listen, pal - people are gonna do whatever the fuck they want to do regardless of what you or I say. And their decisions, good or bad, don't affect YOU either.
That's what I said. If you believe it, why don't you stop making judgments on what other people do? You choose for yourself; you have no solid basis for make that decision for other people. You do what you do because you wish to do it and for no other reason.
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Do me a favor-
Turn gay, try to convert back to hetero thru "conversion therapy", and then let us know how it goes.
Until then - STFU.
Turn gay? I thought you had to be born gay.
I'm not the one here telling other people how to live. All I said is that if homosexuals want to try to convert, they can try to convert. I didn't say it will work. But I hope it does. I have as much right to comment on conversion therapy as you do. You have not tried it either.
Basically you are saying you are allowed to speak while people who disagree may not. This seems to be the only way homosexuals can defend their views: "Agree with us or shut up". That is the only way for you to be "right". If you knew a way to defend it rationally, you would do that instead; but you only resort to attacks.
If all you are going to do is tell me to STFU and you don't have a reason to tell me to STFU then you should STFU "pal".