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"wanna dance?" clubs - do they still exist?
I really miss those "wanna dance?" days!!
i find myself when i get to the club, i try to chat up an employee that is on the payroll (bartender, vip host, security) if they are not to busy just to see if they have any leads while i am scanning the club for potential. if i do manage to find someone who isn't occupied i'll go introduce myself chat him up a bit see if he wants a dance. when it's time to move on i find myself almost lost again. seems everyone is either already with an entertainer or at the stage. i don't want to keep wasting anymore time with someone who won't buy dances or any more dances but seems like there's nowhere to circulate to. i almost feel like standing by the wall and waiting for the "one who wants me" because you do never know if they're sitting with girls who they don't plan on spending alot of money on but those girls will stay there til their guys leaves. and lately i've had to "downsell" my dances thanks to some of these other girls. we have floor dances and private dances both sold by the song. when a guy says yes to a dance i usually hold out my hand and say follow me and take him to the more expensive dance area. on the way i dicuss prices but i try to keep the 20$ option as a final resort. when guys ask me for a dance i say "come on..." and they're like no out here is fine. and i try to tell them how much better and more intimate the private dances are, but to no avail. i'm kinda thinking now i sound desperate or maybe snobby but i can't help but feel a little disappointed. it used to be so easy to make money. i don't feel as confident anymore and i do feel a little desperate and it's hard to keep up the FUN personality when i'm wandering around the club looking for a single patron to spend 20$ after all the small talk and hope he's not an extra-seeker. sorry for complaining.
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At my club there's only one option: a 20$ lap dance. It's definitely not a wanna dance club either. I could definitely see how frustrating it is for you to have the upsell option, but not be able to use it as often as you'd like. But 20$ dances aren't a bad thing - it's easier to sell strings of those, and 20$ for 3-4 minutes of work ain't bad!
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I can count on one hand the number of true "wanna dance" clubs I've worked in my whole career. They are few & far between. I honestly haven't worked one in years, although some are fast sale clubs, but not "wanna dance" clubs. If that's all you want to have to say you are going to lose out on sales. Approach your customers with more personality, a joke, a bit of body language & a few other hot button techniques... you will sell more than if all you said was "wanna dance".
Just brush up on your stripper sales training.
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Nope.
The days of making money just by showing up and looking good are LONG gone!
You have to know how to SELL in order to make the kind of money we took for granted 5 years ago.
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depends on who you are. and depends on whether your delivery literally is 'wanna dance.'
i have been at plenty of clubs where i could close my sale in a line or two. BUT, my line was not 'wanna dance'. it would be something clever, and when i am on my game i am very animated and have intense eye contact and very good body language.
so the time involved is on par with wanna dance, but i pack some substance into the short time.
however, not every girl can pull the quick-sale-without-rapport off. God seems to like me in this department 8).
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I strongly suggest you get Dancerwealth program. It has completely changed my attitude and the way I work. Way better investment than all the cute outfits, expensive make up and fake tan put together..
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I completely understand... If you compare now to 5 or so years ago it's completely different. I have had to stop pouting and get on top of my sales techniques. Hopefully one day we can get back to that but for now you have to use the sales as you approach. I do though miss the days of sipping champagne while fully clothed just talking with a customer for $500 an hour. Now I have a whole plan set up for what to do with in the whole hour because he wants his money's worth. It's sucky but we have to adapt. Good Luck :)
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I get frustrated too when it seems like every customer in the club is talking to another dancer. I get especially mad when the bartender talks to the customers she's REALLY flirtatious.
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I feel like a hit small *nearly* wanna dance patches. If I can close the sale quickly ( like in a minute or two) , I considering this the closest version of "wanna dance" that strippers currently have available. I only hit these patches probably just like everyone else ( Friday / Saturday nights, mostly later hours ) .
But a full shift ..... no.
And weekdays ..... not really unfortunately ( except maybe the last hour or two ).
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Originally Posted by
xGigi
I get frustrated too when it seems like every customer in the club is talking to another dancer. I get especially mad when the bartender talks to the customers she's REALLY flirtatious.
I am extra extra mad when bartender show her boobs to customers!!! she got more tips of course but thats not her job!
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^^^If you want to flirt and be topless go out and buy a pair of stripper shoes and bikini. There is flirting to a certain degree but waitresses and bartenders shouldn't cock-block dancers that have to pay house fees.
:O
I miss the "would you like a dance" days too. :(
Unfortunately most dancers have let customers make the rules.
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britneyireland
Nope.
The days of making money just by showing up and looking good are LONG gone!
You have to know how to SELL in order to make the kind of money we took for granted 5 years ago.
SO TRUE! 5 yrs ago, grab custies hand, they go with you, spend what you want, and you can even grab and inspect thier wallet without complaint. those where the days. 4,5,6 hundred a night easy. now-a-days, talk for a while, they wanna know all your personal business, by the time you get them in vip, your hoping they're getting more than 1. ugh, it is frustrating now.
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wow, ive only been stripping 2 years so i never experienced the "good ol' days". I'm kinda glad i didn't. I'd be mad as hell
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The whole "wanna dance" is usually just a myth to some extent. Oh sure, I would ask a guy if he wanted me to dance for him and he sometimes said yes, but the reality is more difficult than that. For one, most guys are just going to say no, doesn't matter what you do or what you look like. Normally, I would have to sit with them a few minutes and engage in chat before they would say yes. The regulars I got were not guys I would just say "wanna dance" to. This was all happening in the 90's when money was more out there so I can only imagine it's gotten worse.
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^^^not a myth at all. Vegas high volume clubs had tons of wanna dance girls that did very very well. Most got a yes response often enough to validate using this method and most were brutally hot*
*Note: being flawless or just about at first glance is a requirement for this method as it prompts a visceral almost involuntary "yes" from the guy immediately without having to use sales techniques, wit or charm.
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So far I have only worked at one club that was like that, but I wasn't there long. The upside was that getting dances was like shooting fish in a barrel with just "wanna dance", but the downside was that very few girls ever sold VIPs or more than one dance in a row (the manager was shocked when I mentioned the idea of repeat dances and thought I must be lying). Even my hardest hustle couldn't get me more than 2 or 3 dances in a row or 1 or 2 VIPs in a night so I gave up and went somewhere else. I don't want to have to dance all night for $10 a song. I wish I had been dancing 5 years ago if wanna dance could get a champagne room then.
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At my club, on Fri/Sat night, wanna dance works if the girl is so hot that the guy gets a boner from just looking at her (usually with a younger guy). I see girls making 1500 just doing the wanna dance thing. So it DOES still happen, I swear.
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I don't know about "wanna dance?" but my quick sales are getting better. :D
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those clubs are still around they are harder to find. I think small towns will always be a good source for these kinds of clubs.
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They certainly exist, but not with any remarkable results. I visited Sacramento not to long ago and went into a club with my significant other. Most the girls that approached us simply asked "wanna dance". Of course I turned them down. I was there to experience dancing from a different point of view, and I admit, I wanted them to hustle me.
Even though I turned them down, they seemed to be able to get a few dances while we were there. By no means is the money good in any other those clubs.
If you want a full review of a couple different sac clubs, I've posted on clubs and reviews.
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This post made me sigh!
Everyone is talking about the "wanna dance?" days - I remember showing up at a club and going through entire shifts without even ever having to ask men if they "wanna dance?" - these guys would ALWAYS approach me! And I was a non-hustler of the la-zi-est calibre and £300 would be my baseline when I did sweet fuck all. I also recall a Russian dancer who used to get approached by men when she was idly chatting to other dancers on the floor, and she'd scold them for interrupting her conversation and make them come back to her when she was done chatting - and they always obliged!! This was also when Eastern Europeans were seen as very exotic and highly sought after in UK SCs. How things have changed. Now everyone bitches about the amount of foreign girls in clubs, how hard it is to 'hustle' to break even and we are trying to fight off grabby men who think offering us £20 to touch their junk in the VIP room is an offer we can't refuse.
I still think we can make good money in this industry but not without working our asses off. I don't mean to sound like a pessimist, but learn to sell and enjoy the days you are dancing now because I wouldn't be surprised if it was downhill from here. It took me a long time to get the hang of hustling because I was spoiled in the beginning. Don't let that be you!
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Fast selling works at my club most of the time. Some girls try the "wanna dance" thing, but don't seem to succeed very often.
I wasn't even old enough to strip in the "wanna dance" days. lol. Dangit, growing up in a recession sucks!!! ::)
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Stripper Hacks
I miss the "would you like a dance" days too. :(
Unfortunately most dancers have let customers make the rules.
Exactly. It frustrates me to no end when girls sit and talk with a customer for free for multiple songs before closing a sale. Customers begin to feel entitled to free attention, and as a result, dancers feel pressured to give their time away in order to retain their competitive edge. I've even run into customers who feel as though they're doing the dancer a favor by taking a dance! It's a self-perpetuating cycle that effectively ruins the customers. Conversely, if every dancer in the club uses the wanna dance hustle, demands payment to sit and chat for longer than a couple minutes, and quickly moves on if neither of these conditions are met, customers will be trained to spend quickly on the dancers who interest them. I always take this approach and I've had a lot of success with it, but sometimes other dancers make it impossible to use on specific customers who would otherwise gladly spend the money to talk.
An illustration: I told a first time customer who wasn't ready for dances yet but wanted company that he had to pay close to the price of a dance for every song that I talked with him. He said, "Sure, I'll pay what I have to." I charged $50 for the three songs we talked, and then we did two dances (note: my club has no VIP). Our cut of the dances is $20, so in the period of five songs I made $90, or $18 a song. If I hadn't charged the $50 I would have only made $40, or $8 per song, which is unacceptable to me. The next time I saw the customer, he was visibly upset when I approached him. Why? Because in the interim, other dancers sat and talked with him for multiple songs for free. I still make some money off of this customer, but it's limited to the two dances (I only interact with him during those dances, no free chatting), which means I have to make up for the lost $50 somewhere else. Not only did they sabotage my money, they sabotaged their own. I would much rather a customer spend the $90 rather than $40 on other dancers in order to foster a tipping environment even if it means there's less money for me to make from him that night.