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Streamate VS. MyFreeCams VS Adultwork. The REAL numbers.
Ok, first and foremost, the good news (sort of) for Streamate gals....
RAW TRAFFIC: Streamate is ranked as the 265th busiest site in the United States, and 665 worldwide. MyFreeCams is ranked quite close at 402 for the US and 944 worldwide. Adultwork is a special case here, for reasons most of us understand (a UK website MOSTLY promoted to a UK audience) so Wolrdwide they rank 5274th (which seems bad compared to the other two, but is actually UNBELIEVABLY respectable when you realize that Alexa ranks into the MILLIONS...) and a scarily dismal 61.430 for the USA....HOWEVER...they rank 176 for the UK and under 1000 for Ireland! 176 out of ALL UK web sites. Not too shabby...
But in the end, in raw traffic, Streamate wins...not a slamdunk, but a respectable win. Now the SORT OF part of the good news is that Streamate was ranked about 120 in 2009 second quarter, and MFC was ranked quite a bit below 1000...so in less than 1 1/2 years MFC has closed the gap seriously by steadily gaining traffic, while Stream has lost QUITE a BIT of traffic. watching the two graphs move closer and then in October/November seeing MFC actually pass Stream for a couple months, shows how much MFC has attacked Stream, and how low stream has fallen.
The reasons for this are in the next post....
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Re: Streamate VS. MyFreeCams VS Adultwork. The REAL numbers.
Ok, next we look at pageviews....this is the raw pageviews...not the unique number of different IPs hitting the site...Difference...Well, If Joe Blow comes for a visit and opens the front page of streamate and then leaves in disgust at having been tricked into coming...that is ONE Unique and ONE pageview...If someone comes to Adultwork and reads 200 profiles and sits in cam rooms and jumps all over checking stuff out...they are STILL !!!ONE!!! Unique...however they are 495 (or whatever number of pages they viewed) pageviews...see?
So...having people come to your website is nice, but having them stay, do stuff, spend money, etc. is FAR FAR FAR more important. See, declaring HUGE traffic is worthless, if a LOT of that traffic is SHIT and doesn;t even STAY or spend any money...And this is what pop-ups and pop-unders and tricks to get people to your site do...they bring garbage traffic...
So, lets look at the numbers, shall we?
Streamate averages 2.72 pageviews per user. Meaning the average user who comes looks at 2.72 different pages before they leave the site. And when we move to Bounce...which is the PERCENTAGE that look at ONE page and then leave...Streamate averages 71.1 percent. So, 71+% of people never even come IN to streamate, or even look at ONE girl. WOW! There goes that HUGE traffic right out the fucking window, and IF they are spending your money on Traffic and doing THAT bad a job, SHAME ON THEM!
Because MFC does WAY less advertising and spamming and pays 20-25% more, and they have an average of 6 pageviews per user...MORE THAN DOUBLE...and a bounce rate of only 44.5%. Now THAT is what I call a SLAMDUNK. But still..is it a HUGE slamdunk? No...I would say it buries Streamate's claim of "Most Traffic", but if we want a HUGE slamdunk...
AdultWork...!!!!43!!!!! Pageviews per user. By FAR the best users of any webcam site....with an average bounce % of (hold yer breath) 3.3% yesterday, and 8.5% for the whole month....So under 10% of people look at ONE page and leave, compared to 71+% for Stream....
Now, next time you talk about the avalanche of traffic at Streamate, you can know how bullshit that really is...Next time some gal CLAIMS Stream is so much better, you can be armed with real knowledge..raw data on how the sites truly work...
So...one more stat....and this one says a LOT...
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Re: Streamate VS. MyFreeCams VS Adultwork. The REAL numbers.
oh wow. Statistics...lol
Facts are Facts...
Men Lie, Woman Lie, but numbers dont lie!
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Re: Streamate VS. MyFreeCams VS Adultwork. The REAL numbers.
Truly think about these stats and what they say...VERY telling...
But for a pure camsite, there is no statistic as important and telling as this last one....and that is
AVERAGE USER TIME ON THE SITE IN MINUTES.
How damn long did they stay and DO stuff on your site?...how much time did they have to spend money there?....
So...nothing much else to say here...just:
Streamate: 2.08minutes per user..on AVERAGE (not even time enough for a good private...eh?)
MFC: 11.28minutes per user..on AVERAGE (Hmm...MFC is not doing too shabby...)
AW: 27.4minutes per user..on AVERAGE (as the carnival game barker says "We HAVVVV a Winnah!!!")
I'll let that sink in, and then hopefully we get comments from everyone...
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One last thing...
LiveJasmin....
ranked 44 in US...WAY above stream for traffic...
3.1 pageviews per user....
64% bounce rate
2.6 minutes per user....
So...there you go....
B
PS... Go to Alexa.com and put in camcontacts.com, IMLive.com, and all your other faves...I'm sure it'll make you re-think some stuff...
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Re: Streamate VS. MyFreeCams VS Adultwork. The REAL numbers.
Thanks a lot for this Bambalina. WOW.
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Re: Streamate VS. MyFreeCams VS Adultwork. The REAL numbers.
can you put the statistics for camcontacts? i need a good laugh. I wonder how that site is still running...
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I cringe whenever LivJasmin is typed. My noob adventure into camming didn't work out well there.
Thank you for the actual numbers!
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Re: Streamate VS. MyFreeCams VS Adultwork. The REAL numbers.
I got raped on livejasmin *cringe*
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Re: Streamate VS. MyFreeCams VS Adultwork. The REAL numbers.
Honestly though, none of this matters if it doesn't put money in my bank account. Going by raw numbers I should be banking on Adultwork, but it seems latelyI can be on all day and make $50 if I'm lucky. I made $70 in just an hour the other night on Streamate and normally do at least $30 to 50 an hour IF I have a lot of energy to really hustle. It's tiring but profitable.
I'm definitely open to anything but at the moment I have to pay my bills and do what is working for me. Interesting info though but I'm not sure how to use that info to translate into actual money.
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The Contessa
I cringe whenever LivJasmin is typed. My noob adventure into camming didn't work out well there.
Thank you for the actual numbers!
I have heard the same thing from many many hosts. Huge traffic, nobody paying. Is that how it was for you?
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Originally Posted by
laurielegs
I have heard the same thing from many many hosts. Huge traffic, nobody paying. Is that how it was for you?
Yes! I got paid bumloads when they marketed me for 99 cents. Everyone was flooding, I did some very long shows. My time ran out faster than they said it would, and I was upped. Then the only traffic I got in private was a man who looked identical to a turtle, who would type the most ridiculous instructions like "Place ring finger in pussy halfway"
.... *sigh*
And then I never got any money?
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Ok...ready for the stats that got the investors to take me seriously and help me to do the indy site??
camcandyland: ranked 18,553,203 in the world...2 pageviews per user...NO OTHER DATA AVAILABLE...the site is too small and unprofessional for Alexa...
Adultcamgirlsnetwork: ranked 1,201,510with a numbered rank (meaning most traffic comes from) of 43,936from (drumrole please) ROMANIA! 2.2 pageviews per user and a 40% bounce rate...bout 2 minutes average on site...just under..
xxxcambabes: ranked 524,368 with a BIG bump from 9,533 ranked South Africa we get 3.7 pageviews per user, and a 31.4% bounce rate...Time on Site? over 6 minutes....
Websfinest: ranked 641,925 with a bump from INDIA with a rank of 231,265...4.1 pageviews per user Bounce of 42.9...Averages about 2 minutes flat on the site...
Bestgirlsoncam: ranked 6,567,997 enough said
bestgirlsoncams: ranked 1,119,388 with a HUGE bimp for 44k ranked romania...2.8 pageviews per user and a 33% bounce...bout 3 minutes average on the site...
So, if you want to insult a web deisgner, tell them program like an indy site programmer....tragic numbers and easily wiped off the earth with an even semi-decent camsite with a semi decent promotions campaign...
There ya go...
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Camcontacts: 33,149worldwide and 40,183 in the US with 23 pageviews per user...nice...11.5% bounce and 9.3 minutes per user....
Problem with camcontacts which is IMMEDIATELY apparent is that their traiffic comes from POOR place primarily...a really good slammin promotion campaign could work and bring this site back from the dead...
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Re: Streamate VS. MyFreeCams VS Adultwork. The REAL numbers.
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Originally Posted by
Bambalina
MFC: 11.28minutes per user..on AVERAGE (Hmm...MFC is not doing too shabby...)
AW: 27.4minutes per user..on AVERAGE (as the carnival game barker says "We HAVVVV a Winnah!!!")
And those two sites happen to be my favorite cam sites...AdultWork (my fave) and MyFreeCams (my 2nd fave). 8)
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Ok...these numbers a re MEANINGLESS all by themselves....seriously...but for those who have a feel for the sites in question, we can all learn a whole bunch...One truth, which doesn't hold true for girls who are popular and do well at any of these sites, is that stream and jasmin have HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of bums and lookiloos...how we know this is by comparing the time onsite with the pageviews per user...correlate that to the bounce rate (which throws out the garbage traffic) and you find that Jasmin has the "worst" traffic...which figures because their advertising is the absolute lowest quality, most intrusive, pop-ups and rollovers and all sorts of other absolute SHIT advertising that brings pissed off people who don;t even want to go to a damn camsite...Stream runs a close second...but their higher bounce rate means more people just leave instead of trying to click around and spend NOTHING...like Jasmin...But obviously stream's numbers are not good on the average...MOST women will experience a LOT of beggers and lookiloos on stream....
As far as AW and MFC, they are specialized sites in a sense...they are like super cam-sites, or what my investors call Cam2.0 as opposed to cam1.0 for the old guard....they cater spcifically to a cocooning experience that bring a user in and makes him feel like he's home and the site isn't about stealing his money...On MFC, if yer on 4 hours, I can sit and chat and get to know you for 4 hours...and never spend a single dime....VERY frustrating to the average camgirl...HOWEVER as a camgirl I can shut off those who have never spent money...I can turn them OFF completely. Making a chatroom full of guys who have all whipped out the credit card and used it at LEAST ONCE! So...it's all different marketing and promoting and especially RHYTHM....Stream is pow..pow..pow..pow..pow..pow..pow with a lot of bangin' pussy and shitheads begging in between the pows....MFC is much more a pow......pow......POW.......pow.pow.pow.....pow... ...POW..POW..........pow.....powpowpow.....type thing....dunno how else to explain it, because stream has very little comparative tipping, and MFC has a HUGE amount....I have girls who would do like 3 privates a MONTH...and yet they made $5k per month in tips...and TONS of gifts....
So in other words, there is MUCH more to camming than the numbers...but the oft quoted stuff, is mostly NOT true as far as traffic goes, and I just wanted everyone to have a few more pieces to the traffic puzzle....
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That is SO incredibly helpful. I want to cyber-hug you!
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even though this doenst make us more money Laurie, it does in a sense help us to figure out these people.
Clearly, the money the use to "advertise" is kinda......bullshit.
Also the briefing on the traffic also helps us to know what not to waste time on.. since time is money, right?
The pageviews also is benificial.
I know for a fact when i browse streamate i look at 2 pages. the first page, and my "favorite area" (ebony ).
so if your on the 3rd 4th and 5th page.....well....you better hope for a miracle.
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Good point CW. But overall, let me explain Pageviews a little clearer for those who aren't sure....That is the TOTAL # of pages a surfer views, on average, before LEAVING the site...in other words CW, on your example, it would be you going to the first page, and then ebony...and then LEAVING without visiting ANY of the girls on your favorites page...in other words, with two pageviews, you can't really get a "show"...because that would require viewing more than 2 pages on Stream....But the lie in the statistics, is the FACT that we have a 71% Bounce rate...meaning 71% get the Stream-popup and navigate away from Stream, or get tricked into the entrance page, and just navigate AWAY fro Stream. So, that means the others...the 29% WILL do more surfing than the 2 pages..and spend more than 4 seconds surfing to Google cuz they are pissed. But this means that 71% of all reported Streamate traffic (to you, affiliates, etc.) is Bogus non-paying traffic, and streamates limited KNOWS it. So, if they get 10million hits, 7,100,000 NEVER enter the site to view the women! Thjis changes the whole traffic picture dramatically!
Now, add to this the fact that Streamates Limited is KNOWN to use shoddy low conversion traffic (see the other thread about Stream for WHY) and you end up with tons of beggers. And it's odd...because MFC gets beggers, we all know that..but it is kind of a side effect of being CALLED myFREEcams that brings in some lowlife broke motherfuckers looking for free...But Streamates Limited has the choice to advertise for QUALITY traffic, and pay the rates I've quoted elsewhere, and ends up spamming for low quality traffic...In my opinion, it is because THAT is precisely the best way to launder their money and keep it in the family and be able to claim "High Advertising Rates" for why they pay so little...because they PAY SO MUCH to their OWN Advertising companies, owned by the same ones who own Stream....GOOD scam...too bad it's on us...
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Re: Streamate VS. MyFreeCams VS Adultwork. The REAL numbers.
Wow that is awesome info. I'm curious to know how OHC and CWH rank in all that...
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Re: Streamate VS. MyFreeCams VS Adultwork. The REAL numbers.
Ok, B is gonna teach you how to Fish....No more free fish, now I give free FISHING lessons!
1. type alexa.com in the address bar.
2. when the site comes up type the url (no need for www and stuff...just camwithher.com is fine) in the box provided,
3. Next to Site Information for camwithher.com is a lil yellowish orange box marked Get Details...Click that.
4. Look at the graph...look at the TOP of the graph...there is the * Traffic Rank
* Reach
* Pageviews
* Pageviews/User
* Bounce %
* Time on Site
* Search %
and then on the bottom of the graph, you can compare to any other site(s)
Now young Padewans, Go forth and Alexa!!!!
B
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Its worth noting Alexa stats are pretty unreliable as they measure web usage of alexa toolbar users only which is not really indicative of the internet population as a whole.
Do you use it? If not you're invisible.
As a quick size comparison between sites that target the same demographics its probably ok but when you start mixing geographies and target audience it loses accuracy fast.
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Re: Streamate VS. MyFreeCams VS Adultwork. The REAL numbers.
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Originally Posted by
Bambalina
Ok, B is gonna teach you how to Fish....No more free fish, now I give free FISHING lessons!
1. type alexa.com in the address bar.
2. when the site comes up type the url (no need for www and stuff...just camwithher.com is fine) in the box provided,
3. Next to Site Information for camwithher.com is a lil yellowish orange box marked Get Details...Click that.
4. Look at the graph...look at the TOP of the graph...there is the * Traffic Rank
* Reach
* Pageviews
* Pageviews/User
* Bounce %
* Time on Site
* Search %
and then on the bottom of the graph, you can compare to any other site(s)
Now young Padewans, Go forth and Alexa!!!!
B
Thanks girlie! ;)
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Re: Streamate VS. MyFreeCams VS Adultwork. The REAL numbers.
This break down was very helpful! thanks
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Bambalina
Although I am a webcamming vet, I always find your articles to be very informative.
I try to come here to HELP others as much as possible, but you take the extra step and time to help everyone out! I just wanted to let you know that I and obviously many others appreciate it!
I am glad u did not let others on this site scare you off. Wether you "are who you say you are or not" LOL YOUR ARTICLES RULE!
Thank you!!