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The Girl Who dosen't Wanna Hustle
A friend of mine has been dancing in the SF Bay Area for a little over a year and she's barely making $100-250/night and that's when she does decide to go to work.
She knows that she could make more but doesn't want to hustle. However, she says she loves what she does for a living. This sounds like a total oxymoron but is there a way to make money w/o hustling when working in a club?
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I'm sure it's possible to make money without hustling...and honestly she isn't doing too bad if she doesn't. We have all had that random guy pick us out for whatever reason and just decide to spend money on us. (I wish that would happen more often lately!)
To each their own I guess!
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Her loss I guess. I don't understand it either though! It's almost like a game for me... seeing how much money I can make in a night! =D
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I've known a couple girls like this. They know they're capable of making great money, but for what ever reason they don't put forth the effort. I think as long as she's content with her work ethic and it's not effecting anyone else then just let her be. Like what renaissancelove said, its her loss, and it's more money for the hustlers.
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Perhaps some girls tell themselves they are happy not being hustlers so they don't have to get into the competition of it all. I am very competitive and so I hustle, but on those nights it doesn't work out I go home feeling like it was something I really did do wrong.
Other girls don't have kids or maybe even have someone at home helping out with bills so for them it's perfectly acceptable to go home with $200 or less on a consistent basis.
I read here on SW that SF is tough money-wise so that may also have something to do with it.
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Fair enough. I just wanted to get some other thoughs on this to see if I was missing some new angle on getting paid.
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i hustle cos i have to, but i do as little of it as i possibly can. even now. even in florida. i hate it to death. and i know i'm losing out on money a lot of times. but i hate it. sure, there's dirty stuff going on, but i know for a fact that there's clean girls who are no hotter than me at all who make over twice what i do.
one of my new years resolutions is to suck it up and TRY already. also to get back into amazing shape, because feeling confident helps me want to hustle. i hate getting turned down. that's why have such a hard time hustling. nowadays, most of the guys who come up and ask are asking for a "date", which is why i do my bare minimum, lazy stripper hustle.
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I was pretty much that girl.
Working in a "bar with benefits" kind of ruined my hustle.
I was so use to just being able to hang out, and still be okay with the money I was making that when I did go to a "hustle club", I couldn't do it.
I froze up.
I still managed to make around $150-$200, and was okay with that since my husband is the main provider.
When it got to the point where I couldn't even make that anymore (even when I decided to try), then I quit.
Maybe it was so obvious though that I when I did try, it was fake and forced...just because I wasn't use to it anymore...I dunno...
Like everyone else said though, if she can survive on that, and is content doing what she's doing...then let her do with what she's comfortable with. :)
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But that's the thing though....she not making rent, in debt and I can't even figure out how she's paying for gas let alone the bridge toll to get to work. I understand if you do it because you love it. But just like lots of artist, sometimes you gotta have another job to pay the bills while you do what you love at the same time.
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I'm like that too... I love my job, I really do. I was that shy nerdy girl in school. Very unpopular, etc... Then I started dancing and I learned how to get beautiful and be a bit more outgoing and liked being the center of attention. However, there are just alot of nights that I really have to force myself to hustle or approach men. I freeze up and have mini anxiety attacks because I'm so afraid of getting rejected or having some guy insult me. This job can be so awesome and so terrible at the same time sometimes..
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There have always been dancers like this. I once worked at a club where there were several dancers who would complain about the money. They would spend all night in the dressing room instead of hustling and couldn't figure out why they left with $200 or less. Meanwhile I would hustle my ass, and though several of these girls were prettier than me (or at least I thought so) I made more than them because of it.
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If she doesn't want to hustle than the big things for her making more money will be to either stay on the sales floor so customers can approach, or to get on stage more often then normal... maybe see if the DJ would let her be on the rotation list twice per rotation so she gets more stage tips.
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Maybe she has an issue with the associations of the word "hustle" - I had a friend who was a private party dancer who came and tried out my club for a couple nights, and hated it because she hated "hustling". BUT when I worked a private party with her - after her show was done, she HUSTLED for private dances!!
I think that some people have a very negative association with "hustling". They think that it is all about pressuring, or forcing, or tricking the guys into giving you money when they don't want to. I am always of the mindset that they WANT to spend money (thats why they came in, after all!) but they want the right experience to be willing to part with it.
Maybe if you help her change her mindset so that she is talking to men and making them feel good and selling them dances because it is part of the club experience and it is making them feel good and getting more customers in....not because she is forcing/tricking them into it....
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Originally Posted by
pipermonroe
Other girls don't have kids or maybe even have someone at home helping out with bills so for them it's perfectly acceptable to go home with $200 or less on a consistent basis.
no kids, part time buisness, and the cost of living in TX is cheap. If I make 200 4x a week, I can pay all my bills, pay my tuition, put some into my buisness (which makes almost as much as a part time job) I still have plenty to put into savings.
I'm such a lazy stripper.
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What's really bad is I went to a club in Denver Ive danced at before and made a lot and granted this was the end of dayshift on New Years Eve and I was with my boyfriend and 2 of his business partners but I didnt see a single girl approach or hustle any customer.
There were at least 10 girls working when we went in and they just kept to themselves unless they were already with a customer previously.
Its getting that bad I think!
Im pretty sure if I got up and worked I would have made more than all of them combined because I didnt see any real money being spent.
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I'm a hustler but I have had nights where I've temporarily given up and said " that's it , I'm done " and just sat there sipping a drink at the bar. Like Kylea said ... she's got to STAY visible and still be smiling / looking good / looking approachable. That way , if someone likes her look they can grab her .
She also might be a regulars girl. If she knows she has clients coming in specifically to see her, this could provide some motivation. I'm that way a bit. It can get me moving if I know it's likely I'll make a bit fairly soon after I get there from a reg.
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ManyRoses
They think that it is all about pressuring, or forcing, or tricking the guys into giving you money when they don't want to. I am always of the mindset that they WANT to spend money (thats why they came in, after all!) but they want the right experience to be willing to part with it.
This was a tough hurdle for me to get over!
The customer who will blow $40 on a good steak in a fine dining restaurant without blinking an eye is the same one who will complain about wasting $8 on a crappy, overcooked burger.
Often, it's not the MONEY that's the issue, in and of itself, it's the experience/product/service itseld. Folks will pay out the nose for happiness, memories or a good time.
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Maybe if you help her change her mindset so that she is talking to men and making them feel good and selling them dances because it is part of the club experience and it is making them feel good and getting more customers in....not because she is forcing/tricking them into it....
I've spent most of my working-years in wage jobs. Where you HAVE to get to work on time, call in if youre gonna be late or absent, keep your work-area clean, be nice (or at least respectful) to customers, management and co-workers, look tidy, act professional, etc. So what works for me is this- when I feel lazy, unmotivated, shy, or whatever, I tell myself "it is my JOB to talk to customers, smile, make them feel welcome here and sell dances, this is what I was HIRED to do..." I treat it like something I HAVE to do, and I do it. This prolly doesn't work for everyone but I need to force myself to talk to everyone I can cuz I work dayshift and it's so slow. It also keeps me focused and punctual.
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what do you mean by not hustling? is she not going up to any guys, or is she selective etc. there are various methods... or maybe it could be that she doesn't want to wear herself out too quicklly. I personally need to polish my selling skills, and I don't consider myself a hardcore hustler, I'm use more of a hands-off approach. I'll introduce myself and say something sexy/cute, wait for a cue to see if he's interested. for example does he offer to get me a drink when the waitress comes by, does he ask me to sit/etc, and if he doesn't do any of that I just straight up ask for a dance, if not i leave. sometime deprivation of my attention helps, b/c they come up later and ask me to dance w/o all the chit chat b/c they know i don't do all that b/s-ing. lol but like I said I'm still learning and am willing to be more flexible.. hopefully itll kick in soon?
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While most people tend to forget it, stripping is ultimately a SALES job. And some people just aren't good at sales.
However, there are different levels of "hustling," and some people aren't comfortable doing certain things.
For instance, my hustle tends to be pretty low-key and subtle. I'm not at all pushy, I don't do the whole sex-kitten thing, I don't dirty talk, I don't dumb myself down, and I don't lie (meaning I don't make up shit about myself). My hustle was being the laid-back, polite, intelligent, really hot metalhead who would sit around with the guys and tell stories and laugh. I didn't have a diva complex, and most of the other girls there did. So guys told me I was very refreshing to be around and spend time with because I was positive and could actually make conversation. I probably could have made a bit more money by having a harder sell, but what I did worked for me. I feel that being someone I wasn't comfortable with would have lowered my personal integrity.
Some girls are just lazy about approaching guys. That is my idea of not hustling.
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It all depends on my mood and whatever I've done that day and/or week on my other jobs and in the military; that's the exact reason why somedays I'm happy with just $200 bucks, or why some days I will not go home until I had made at least $700 dollars.
There are days that I feel like the queen of the world (I passed an inspection, I did good in the other job, I had a good grade on a test, etc) and I would hustle like crazy 'cause my happy, perky, bubbly mood makes me bank.
However, if I'm having the blues, I got scolded on post, or I didn't do good at the other jobs, I'm lucky if I made like $200 bucks.
Also, if I need to pay a big debt (like a traffic ticket, or paying back money I borrowed from a friend or relative), I will make big bucks too. The fact that my credit score may go down makes me hustle too.
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at one of the clubs I used to work at you would be LUCKY to leave with 300. if you hustled every single guy in there you would get frustrated so quickly you would just want to scream. making 150-200 was about average so if she works in a club where the top earners make 300 or less, maybe she's right.
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I was the laziest stripper ever. I'd sit in the dressing room, snack around, smoke cigarettes, and read. When I finally did arse myself up to stake out a hustle -- usually before & after my stage time -- I'd sit with the custies and watch the girls dance instead of drawing attention to myself (at the bar, to boot!). I figured as long as I averaged out $10/hr after fees & tip-out, I was doing alright.
Hustling gets a bad rep. from people who are bad at hustling. I've been scoping the reviews of all the strip clubs in my tri-county area, and it's never that the custies are irritated with girls who hustle in general -- that's what we're -here- for! -- but it's the girls who sit down, spend five minutes on a guy, and get up as if to say, "You're an idiot for not spending money on how hot I am." That's just not welcoming. I figure a strip joint's like any other club or bar: people are there to relax! If you can keep a guy (and his wallet!) relaxed, you're hustling well.
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Felons_Felony
I was the laziest stripper ever. I'd sit in the dressing room, snack around, smoke cigarettes, and read. When I finally did arse myself up to stake out a hustle -- usually before & after my stage time -- I'd sit with the custies and watch the girls dance instead of drawing attention to myself (at the bar, to boot!). I figured as long as I averaged out $10/hr after fees & tip-out, I was doing alright.
Hustling gets a bad rep. from people who are bad at hustling. I've been scoping the reviews of all the strip clubs in my tri-county area, and it's never that the custies are irritated with girls who hustle in general -- that's what we're -here- for! -- but it's the girls who sit down, spend five minutes on a guy, and get up as if to say, "You're an idiot for not spending money on how hot I am." That's just not welcoming. I figure a strip joint's like any other club or bar: people are there to relax! If you can keep a guy (and his wallet!) relaxed, you're hustling well.
$10 an hr :O Did you just enjoy being naked that much that you didn't really care about making a little more than minimum wage? As a dancer in this business you should focus on making at the very least... $50 an hr or it's honestly not worth it. I couldn't imagine being happy making $80 a shift.
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Some people just don't care enough to try.
Honestly... it seems like some girls are strippers because it's easy to make more here sitting on your ass than you would at a normal job.
I've had days where I've come in early wanting to make some extra money... spent 3-4 hours BEFORE my shift in the CR... so midway through my shift I was exhausted, not allowed to go home and just didn't care enough to hustle.
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Jay12
some days I will not go home until I had made at least $700 dollars.
It's really impressive how every time you post you're making 3x what you made the last time you posted. >.>