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Its complete bullshit
Any anyone who posts threads
"Can my family find out"
Needs to take this into further consideration.
Your basically selling your sole and privacy for 35%
And if you think its ok , Then thats all you,
But dont complain when your
mom, dad, sister, brother , kids
find out about it.
Im far more guilty then most
because i have allot less to lose then most.
My husbands comfortable with it all
and all my family is distant.
But thoughs of you who want to keep
this part of your life a secret,
needs to consider this
FIRST AND FOREMOST
before camming.
THEY OWN YOU.
duhn duhn duhn
=P
This needs to be engraved in gold for everyone new to camming.
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basically all mainstream sites own you.
#TeamIndy !
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It does suck. I know they have recorded one video of me that they sell and I don't get paid for of course. My pictures are there permanently so that's why I don't upload new ones.
I used to wonder wtf was going on when I'd not sign on for weeks and still get men emailing me saying "Wow you're hot. You have a nice pussy blah blah blah" Yeah they're watching that video for $2.99 that I don't get a cut of. When I first found out I was piiiised.
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Double that
Im also getting more into Indy
And trying to learn how to market myself
correctly for the most benefit.
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Originally Posted by
BuffyFlame
Its complete bullshit
Any anyone who posts threads
"Can my family find out"
Needs to take this into further consideration.
Your basically selling your sole and privacy for 35%
And if you think its ok , Then thats all you,
But dont complain when your
mom, dad, sister, brother , kids
find out about it.
Im far more guilty then most
because i have allot less to lose then most.
My husbands comfortable with it all
and all my family is distant.
But thoughs of you who want to keep
this part of your life a secret,
needs to consider this
FIRST AND FOREMOST
before camming.
THEY OWN YOU.
duhn duhn duhn
=P
This needs to be engraved in gold for everyone new to camming.
YEP and for what,
35%?????
:'(
ATLEAST pay me 60% for having my face all over the net
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Bambalina
during the Term of this Agreement and upon termination.
Where do they go too far? the last three words. It all kind of sucks, but those last three words mean that even after...when yer a grandma...they can STILL sell ALL of those privates they've been recording.
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Bambalina
Producer shall exclusively and irrevocably own in perpetuity
"Exclusively", "irrevocably" and "in perpetuity"
Meaning They own it and NOT you, You can NEVER take it back, and the term of the deal...Absolutely forever without end...
Look up perpetuity...dayum...
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Bambalina
no rights expressly reserved by the model.
None...Zero...You don;t have any rights to your own image, recorded material, etc.
You realize right, that this means, if you recorded one of your OWN privates and sold a video to someone, they could SUE you?? Because it passed through their network and so they own YOU and you no longer own you...it isn't that you BOTH own you, it is that you no longer have ANY rights, they have them all, including the copyright.
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Bambalina
Model also grants Producer and its designees
disignees...that means ANYONE they designate, can OWN YOU TOO.
Wow...ANYONE....
Wait, and what are they saying they own and can give to ANYONE???
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Bambalina
the right to use her name, likeness, image voice, appearance, and performance as embodied in the Product whether recorded on or transferred to videotape, film, slides, photographs, audio tapes, or other media, now known or later developed. This grant includes without limitation the right to edit, mix or duplicate and to use or re-use the Product in whole or part as Producer may elect. Producer or its designee shall have complete ownership of the Product in which model appears, including copyright interests, and model acknowledges that she has no interest or ownership in the Product or its copyright.
Name...Do you think they mean the Name you use to cam? Ohhh Noooo...they mean your NAME. The REAL one...Well, they mean EITHER actually, since they don't specify your ALIAS....
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By the way...did you guys know I despise Streamate? Yes, well, I know...a shock...but true...
HOWEVER...this is NOT a Streamate exclusive problem. Not even close. In fact, while MFC is really actually pretty cool about not re-selling stuff, or using your content without permission in the normal day to day or things...check out the contract...it is WORSE than Streamate. Stream just uses it...
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wow i dont see myself logging back on there again. it seem all mainstream sites r shitty!
I love indy its more work but u keep most of your money and that is the main reason we are here right!?!?!
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Maybe instead of complaining all the time you should start reading the info on streamate. You can get much more than 35%. You can get an additional of 40% so that's 75%!
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cammum
Maybe instead of complaining all the time you should start reading the info on streamate. You can get much more than 35%. You can get an additional of 40% so that's 75%!
Yea if you refer ALL of your customers.
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You forget that you also will make money if you bring clients and they stay with another girl. You can only make good money on a site with lots of traffic. What's so difficult in understanding that traffic is not for free? Either you bring the traffic yourself and get this money or you don't want to do this work and get paid less.
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Originally Posted by
cammum
You forget that you also will make money if you bring clients and they stay with another girl. You can only make good money on a site with lots of traffic. What's so difficult in understanding that traffic is not for free? Either you bring the traffic yourself and get this money or you don't want to do this work and get paid less.
Coming from someone who started camming on 1/16/11. Thanks for your input.
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Originally Posted by
cammum
You forget that you also will make money if you bring clients and they stay with another girl. You can only make good money on a site with lots of traffic. What's so difficult in understanding that traffic is not for free? Either you bring the traffic yourself and get this money or you don't want to do this work and get paid less.
Thank you for playing, but your threadjack is not appreciated. This thread isn't about percents, and so you COMPLETELY fucking me in the internet etiquette Department is pretty crummy. Wanna actually discuss what this thread is about? Feel free. Wanna make your own thread about Streamate percents being great? Go for it. Or just keep threadjacking and see how well you get along.
As for what you said, If I'm going to bring all my own customers, I'd bring them somewhere that pays 80% or just keep ALL the money, since I'm doing all the work. The only fucking thing stream actually DOES do is bring in traffic...So why the hell would I stay with them if I had the ability to bring in all my own customers? Ridiculous...Stinkin' Thinkin'
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Hell yea ^^
If im bring all the damn customers i want the \
whole 100%
Fuck that, Im not paying anyone to let me use there "Broadcaster".
As far as people not caring where their photos end up
Thats on them
BUT THEY WILL SELL YOUR SHOWS. For free.
AND THEY WILL SELL YOUR PICTURES. For free.
If your ok with that, Im not one to argue.
But it needs to be considered.
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Well, let's look at it this way- even if you are independent, anyone ANYONE can record your shows, and take your pics and post them elsewhere. They can even make money from them. Because let's face it- the internet is huge, and porn is everywhere. A lot of searching would have to be done in order to find yourself.. and you may not even be successful. You are putting yourself out there for people to see- there is no privacy in this regard. You have given up your right to privacy the first time you put yourself on cam. As far as making money independently- you will never bank 100%. Even independent models have to pay processing fees, pay for a website, and you will also spend A LOT of time finding traffic and customers, and we all know that time= money. If you had traffic laid right into your lap, well... then you wouldn't need to spend 1-3 hours a day promoting yourself. Camming is just like any other business- there are business expenses. There are customers that won't be happy. There are people that will do chargebacks. There will be all sorts of problems that you will have to solve on your own. Mind you that you do need to LEARN all of this as well. You don't just turn your cam on, sign in, and start making money when you are independent. This takes time... and lots of it. It also takes more than a few brain cells in order to learn how to set up your own website, how to pull your own traffic, how to set up a payment processor, and so on and so forth.
Yea, it really sucks that on mainstream sites, you're going to be the one doing the front work, and getting paid the lesser amount of the money. Like McDonald's .. the CEO doesn't take the orders, and make the food- yet, he gets paid a much much much larger salary, because he does all the things that makes the company able to continue making that money.
Sure, you can cam all by yourself and make 85% profit- but you will still have people recording your shows, and stealing your pictures, and putting them elsewhere on the web. Unfortunately, there will always be a thief/troll lurking around. You will also be working MUCH harder in the beginning- until you get those few customers that become dedicated regulars. If you go indie, you are pretty much making the decision that you will be doing camming for more than just a year or two- most cammers don't last that long, as a lot of girls do it for a temporary income while they are doing something else. So for the first year at least, you will make more of a profit from the shows that you sell- however- will you be doing as many shows? 85% of nothing is still nothing.
Indie is only for SOME girls... most girls like the quick money, the help, and the traffic that these sites provide. But for those girls that want to do the hard work, and learning the skills to do so, then indie would be a good idea. For those that don't, or can't due to lack of computer knowledge- they will stay making 35% or even less. It's all up to the girl. But the pros and cons quickly become equal when it comes to corporate camming and indie, in the beginning. Now if you work hard and obtain the knowledge, indie camming can be very lucrative after you put the time in. But it could be 6 months or more before you turn a profit from indie. Some girls don't want to do all that- they're happy to let someone else handle all the dirty work, and get that 35%... some girls are not satisfied with that 35%, which is when they realize they've got to work harder, and longer, and then they can get that extra 30% after a while.
But what it boils down to- is that ANYONE on the internet can steal your shows, and pics, and make money from them. How could you even begin to stop them? You can't. If someone posts a vid or pic of you on a forum- then make sure you let it be known on that forum who you are, and where you can be found- instead of complaining about it... this will bring in the customers- not having your content removed. You lose all privacy the moment you begin to broadcast. That's just what it is. Also, on yahoo, men can even obtain your IP address... which is something else you will have to look out for. Plus the fact that people WILL hack your site, and steal your content. That's just what it is.
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very true and I HOPE all cam girls KNOW that they can be recorded/uploaded from anywhere. I DO however believe that much more recorders GO TO STREAMATE for recording vs. independent cam listings. Why? just on some common sense ish. Streamate has much more traffic therefore more recorders then indy listing sites. Oh and the Site itself(STREAMATE) also will record and distribute your stuff. So you have Streamate AND douches from the web that will/can record you :)
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I don't care how you slice it. Streamate robs you and then has the nerve to record/upload/distribute your stuff. What a great site to work on.....NOT!
But who cares right? Lots of potential cam girls !
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The real problem is selling it, without the model making a profit.
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CamWhore
The real problem is selling it, without the model making a profit.
I know, that part sucks. And it sucks even more because you know who is doing it. It's almost like they are a pimp. Scratch that- they are pimpin. It is better to do indie as long as you've got the skills. And if you are great at camming, and you KNOW you're great- then you should def. go get the money yourself. Even though they do give you that extra 5% that others don't give, and they get hella traffic, doesn't mean that it's MORALLY correct for them to sell off videos without the model making any monetary gain. IMLIVE.com sucks in a lot of ways, too. But at least you can monetize from the vids you upload there (even if they do leak one) problem is... Joe Schmoe can record that, and sell it, too! It sucks all around! Just be happy that there are honest guys out there with fat pockets willing to pay to see you live and have a personal interaction.
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PS: streamate does suck, I agree! The fact that they do have so much traffic, and get 65% of show profits makes it even worse that they would put their integrity on the line by selling vids. But, the problem is- only a HANDFUL of us actually even give a damn. And it's that handful that is willing to go out and hustle for their own money. The rest? Well, they won't be around long enough to truly understand the dynamic. I'll still be on streamate for a little while until I can gain the amount of customers on my own... because those guys that do find YOU out of the masses... they want more than just one little 5 min video they bought/found. They want YOU. They want to talk TO YOU. They want you to fulfill their fantasy. Men are wonderful sometimes. ::)
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^yes :) I would only log on to Streamate to steal customers to go indy . that's the only value I see in Streamate. And this is coming from someone who has always made a minimum of $100/hr or more on streamate. I just can't do 35% even if I was making $500/hr. I don't like people stealing from me!