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Identifying Time-Wasters?
Last night at work I had a serious problem with sitting with time wasting guys who didn't want a dance. Most of them were just cheap guys who didn't buy dances from anyone else, either. God... so frustrating!!!
Is there any way to tell who these guys are, after talking with them, or by watching their behavior? Do you think it's just a hustle thing, and there are techniques to turn time wasters into buyers?
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I usually don't wait too long before I ask for a dance, probably 2 songs tops. If they say no or maybe later or they just got there or whatever I usually will say something like "Oh I would love to sit and chat but I do have to get back to work, I'll come back and say hey in a little bit ok?" And then I walk away and I don't feel bad about it, haha.
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I usually tell pretty quickly on a number of signs. Its a good sign if the guy straight off the bat asks if I'd like a drink or to sit down, but some guys forget their manners so I might drop hints or even ask for a drink. If they complain at the price or refuse then I know not to invest too much time trying to get a dance, because even if I get one dance, they're probably less likely to spend heaps or go for the upsell and my time would be better invested elsewhere.
Of course when its quiet I'm more generous with my time, and every now and then a guy that seems like a timewaster will surprise me and spend a small fortune.
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If a guy asks me the following questions within the first few minutes we meet, they tend to be time wasters.
-What's your real name
-How long have you been working here
Or if they complain about drink prices/cover charge. If a guy isn't giving me eye contact and open body language after a couple songs of engaging him in conversation, I move on.
Those are just a couple ways I know to move on.
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Some signs I've found that identify time wasters:
- When guys don't make eye contact, sit with their arms crossed, focus on the TV/other girl on stage, look around the room, give you repeated one word answers, speak in a monotone the entire conversation
- When guys don't ask you for your name
- When you ask to sit down and the guy says "I guess"
- When they are 18-22ish and are sitting alone in the club with no friends in sight (i.e. no other drinks on the table, no other coats on the chairs at the table). This usually means that are losers, bored, broke, and wanted to watch the show.
- When guys go off on a tangent about things that totally don't relate to you, dancing, the strip club, or spending money on you.
- When guys are rude, overly drunk, high, too 'relaxed', etc. etc.
- Guys that keep checking their phones or staring at their watches
- Gangstas that have a stack of fifty singles on their table... that's usually all they are going to spend
- Guys who sit at the tip rail and hand out one single after another and act like big ballers
- Guys who are just too young in general, carpooled together from mom's house, etc.
- Guys who leave their money on the table in plain view, wear overly flashy jewelery.
Basically anyone who is rude, trying too hard, doesn't seem interested, is lame, intoxicated, boring, etc. TIME WASTERS.
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^ I agree 100%.. you might get one or two out of this group of guys... but, if the room is busy... I wouldn't invest must of my time at all.
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Laurisa
Some signs I've found that identify time wasters:
- When they are 18-22ish and are sitting alone in the club with no friends in sight (i.e. no other drinks on the table, no other coats on the chairs at the table). This usually means they are losers, bored, broke, and wanted to watch the show.
- Gangstas that have a stack of fifty singles on their table... that's usually all they are going to spend
- Guys who leave their money on the table in plain view, wear overly flashy jewelry.
Basically anyone who is rude, trying too hard, doesn't seem interested, is lame, intoxicated, boring, etc. TIME WASTERS.
I second pretty much everything Laurisa said, but ESPECIALLY these. As for the overly intoxicated I just ask them immediately if they want a CR...if no, I move on. I also view the overly loud and obnoxious to be time wasters...those who scream and yell constantly for the girls on stage like they are watching some sporting event...
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Younger guys are usually just a total waste of time unless they ask you to sit down. Its better to try and build a group of regulars and not have to come across as working as hard to get a guy to buy dances. Just tease lightly with the grind in the VIP so they keep wanting more :)
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I just wanted to reiterate the part about the money on the table.....one guy had stacks of 50's on his table one night a couple weeks ago. 2 girls sat with him ALL night and i think he got 1 dance all night long and he ended up getting all of it stolen by another customer. just cuz they flaunt dont mean they'll spend it!!
then again tonight there was a guy that had a security guard, and stacks of 1's and he kept giving us stacks just for sitting with him and he threw a ton of them on stage, and he bought several dances. so...i guess it could go either way, but maybe this is the rare exception.
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This is super helpful. :D I guess I've been lacking in this area... I've always found it hard to judge how much someone's likely to spend. You girls are awesome!
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I know it sounds silly but I try to identify the alpha males. Usually if a group (more than 1) of guys comes in I pay attention to who walks in FIRST. It's usually the alpha male. Also, in a group whoever orders a beer first, picks out the table the group will sit at, and 9 times out of 10 it's either the one that appears the oldest AND/OR the biggest size-wise. The alpha male will spend money to impress his friends, and will usually tip well.
If a guy comes in by himself it's a little harder to tell. Usually they appear inviting and smile when you first sit down with them. They will almost always spend money if they start engaging you in conversation, just remember to keep it light and flirty.
In regards to turning a timewaster into a spender, sometimes you can tell him you have other customers that are waiting for you and you'll check on him again in a little while.. this gently reminds him that he's a CUSTOMER, and that you're in demand, your time = money...and sometimes later on he'll buy a dance or two, sometimes he really just is a timewaster with no cash. Either way, I never sit around with a non-paying customer, ever even if it's dead. I'd rather be available for when a paying customer walks through the door.
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^Good tips. Although I have to agree with some of the other girls -- you never know if that one "timewaster" turns into a good thing. For me, this is usually dependent on how busy the club is. If the guy is easy to talk with and polite, I would rather spend time milking his money and getting on his good side....then doing nothing (hanging in the DR or sitting at the bar alone) when it's slow. Although there is a certain breaking point. If he is not in some way paying for my time by 5 songs or so, I'm out. Or just leave him when I see a better looking prospect hehe.
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i never understood why men will pay all kinds of money in a regular bar buying a random girl drinks, trying to impress her, in the hopes she will go home with him...and he gets let down, she doesn't seem interested in him. but yet, put him in a bar full of beautiful half naked women taking their clothes off right there in front of him, falling over themselves to make him feel like "the man", and flirting shamelessly with him, and he won't spend a dime. WTF??? :banghead:
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Great post, Laurisa! I notice this also: if I walk up to a guy and he gets touchy feely right off the bat I will automatically ask him for a dance. If he says anything but yes I remove myself immediately from the situation because I know that he is a nasty cheap pervert who tries to take advantage of dancers.
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I was JUST going to say that. ^^
If as soon as I sit down, he starts rubbing my leg, back, sides, anywhere before even speaking to me for a minute, he is a timewaster. Just ask for a dance (he will say no), and move on. God, those guys really gross me out.
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when a waitress comes by and he doesn't buy me a drink, I'll ask for a dance right away. this help save me some time and give him a chance to meet other girls. b/c other girls can't approach him if I'm sitting on his lap, likewise customers that might want to spend money on me cant approach me if I'm sitting on another dude's lap.
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The drink thing is HUGE! The guys that buy me drinks right off the bat are usually going to spend, whereas the guys that refuse will not likely buy anything...another sign is if they are nursing their own drinks...if they won't shell out to buy THEMSELVES another $5 beer, they sure as hell aren't going to buy a $40 dance. Other than that:
- guys who start talking about how much money they have
- guys who say they work in sales. Run. Run away.
- guys who start questioning your cutesy lines and acting like they "know this game" (though occasionally you can turn these around)
- guys who immediately start asking about OTC...even if they say that they will go for a dance first, they usually don't, and if they do, they are grabby assholes
- guys who have set up a small base camp of possessions...if he has his phone, wallet, keys and sunglasses on the table, a bag on a separate chair, scarf and coat on his chair, etc etc...they are sticking to that table like their life depends on it!
A couple things to look out for:
- guys looking around
- buying more than one drink (usually in quick succession)
- buying shots - those are expensive and mean he is in a spending mood
- buying shots for the table
- running a tab (ask the waitresses about who does this)
- tipping the stage (obviously)
- welcoming you when you come to sit down
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Never get men get away with touching you.. I had a guy try to sneak a grab.. I grabbed his hand and told him samples cost how ever much this guy pissed you off.. I usually say the price of the dance so he has three choices.. pay for the grab, go for a dance so I still get my money and a mark closer to maybe having my house fee waved, or the lovely bouncer will be his cheap speed date for tonight.
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guys who won't let you stand up and leave, either by physically holding you or by talking your ear off so you can't cut them off because that would kill your sale. I find that when a guy starts physically holding you close to him and doesn't let go when you pull away, 99% of the time he's a time waster. the ones who rub your legs while you're sitting with them, put their arm around your waste, try to cop a feel on your ass, are most DEFINITELY time wasters. they want to see how much they can get for free. GET AWAY ASAP.
always ask the guy if he wants some company before you sit with him. you'll literally waste 50% less of your time because a guy knows that "would you like some company?" actually means "would you like me to sit here and pretend to like you until I take your money?" I get a fair amount of no's when I ask this and I prefer it that way. I like it MORE when a guy says "no" when I ask to sit with him because that would be the same answer if I would have gotten if I had asked for a dance after sitting with him for 3 songs, and instead of taking 3 songs, it took 5 seconds.
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I hate old guys because of this... mostly at my club old guys touches while they talk and i hate it hate it hate it! i did not know when i first started , i thought old guys would buy dances but no they are more time waster than anyone! They come 3-4 times a week at least and only get 1=2 dances they think girls should of been fightin for them...one time again and old guy tipped me on stage and he wanted to talk to me he was huggin me touchin my back and leg and i asked for dance he said he has been waitin 2 for one... i politely say i do not know when club is gonna offer 2 for 1 and i do not have to time to wait. then he said ok next time i get a dance from u and as soon as i left him he headed to door! he left i was so damn angry. sometimes still he comes and tips me and do same shit to me but i say i will talk to him later and never talk again. I remember another pervert old guy whenever i say hi to him he starts touchin me and talks about how beatiful i am blah blah. and again i asked for dance he keeps tellin maybe later maybe later i ll do it later.... i told him i think u are very ready for dance because u are touchin me, why dont u get a dance? ... and he realizad what he was doin and he stop. i just let him know if he touches again he has to get dance.... why old guys are so freebies? they always touches while they talk and try to get advantage from new girls. i heard rumors about how old dudes would drop money but those pervs do not do... even 19 year old teenage boys buy more dances than they do.... such a shame!
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I never get along with old guys anyway - I like my custies between 30 and 40.
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Missplayful, next time tell him you do not offer the 2-for-1 dances.
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arielbriel
Missplayful, next time tell him you do not offer the 2-for-1 dances.
I do not he was waitin for club offer 2 for 1... when club announce 2 for 1 we have to give lap dances for that price... thats lame he was waitin for club offers... i dont get along with old guys...
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It pisses me off because I can usually spot cheap asses a mile away yet our management forces us to go over and sit and talk with these losers anyways. Their reasoning is that we are "entertainers" so we should sit and talk for free and 'Entertain" these guys ::)
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Nuclear Martini
A guy who says "I'm friends with a lot of people that work here"....BIG TIME WASTER!
Ugh, those guys are sooo annoying! Also, the guys who say they've worked at strip clubs or have a lot of stripper friends and "know the game." Good for you, then you should know how rude it is to sit there not getting dances! ::)