Camming/PSO/The Adult Industry: Economy-Proof? *POLL*
So I just want to get your ladies (and gentlemen)'s thoughts on this. Obviously our country has been greatly affected by the recession and it still seems to be in a decline, at least from what I've observed. Do you think that the adult industry is as profitable as it once was? Do you think that the financial potential of this industry will continue to decline until it's no longer a viable source of income, or do you think that that it will rise as the economy gets better become a great moneymaking opportunity again? I'm not economic major, but honestly right now I feel like it's going downhill. With the access of free porn increasing everyday, the magnitude of the recession, and the widespread access to information about camming, phone sex, and other types of adult work being so easily accessible and available for hundreds of new camgirls to sign up from home, I feel like it's only a matter of time until being a camgirl is significantly less profitable then it once was. Phone sex is dying, since camming is the new thing. But so many people are jumping onto the camming wagon, especially since it's easy to get employed and you can do it from home. Even now there are over a hundred people viewing this forum at a time, so the competition among camgirls for customers is increasing every single day. Niteflirt is NOT what it used to be two years ago, and pso sites and camming sites are going under and shutting down at an alarming rate. I'm not trying to be a negative nelly and I'm not trying to declare that "The Sky Is Falling!!!", but I would love to hear your opinions on the realistic outlook of the future of the adult industry and what ladies like us can expect to be earning (or not earning) in the future....
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first one to say "i dont know and a lil scared"
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If gas prices continue to increase then I think this could end up being a serious concern, bc when the economy is suffering, people are forced to prioritize and are going to be spending their money on essentials (i.e. gas, food, water, shelter) and less money on entertainment (i.e. going out to the movies, and getting their rocks off by watching naked cyber chicks at 6 dollars a minute).
Also, as a lot of us have mentioned before... The very platform and the nature of the camming industry has changed, largely due to mfc and more sites are shifting away from privates and towards a "tipping" platform. Others may disagree with me, but this is not good. :O I explained why I think that it's more detrimental then beneficial to the majority of camgirls in the grand scheme of things, I'll try to find the post.
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ive witnessed it happen first hand in the clubs, which is why i quit. when i am a top earner and i am going home with less then 200 bucks, something is fucking wrong.
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People asked this question back in 2008 about sex work, particularly escorting and domination. A lot of people saw bookings drop, then pick up again, particularly women who had a lot of regulars. The demand for sex work should, in theory, be a luxury, but it doesn't seem to be treated that way. Some people treat it like a necessity, a lot of guys make it a priority. So I don't think camming will tank.
And the tipping thing... I don't even bother with tips on MFC. I don't ask for them, I don't do countdowns. I just focus on privates and groups. I remember when I started on MFC some guy told me that the site doesn't work that way, that nobody does private, and then someone took me private. And then another guy took me private. And eventually that guy, the one who said that nobody does privates, took me private. So I'm not totally sold on the idea that tipping is the way of the future.
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As far as the influx of new models to the cam girl scene, I'm not sure it's something to really worry about in the long term. It is true that on sites like MFC, a couple years ago a busy night would be like 600 girls. Now a busy night could be up to 1000+. But I think the majority of these girls are not sticking around. A lot of girls get involved thinking that it will be a quick way to make an easy buck and don't realize the amount of self discipline involved in working from home.
At first I thought the tipping structure on sites like MFC are the way to go and I still think that those sites give us more freedom for creativity when it comes to putting on a show. Those guys are looking for entertainment as well as a naked girl. But I've recently found that I've been doing a lot better financially since I started working on a site where the focus is almost entirely on groups and privates. And it's generally a lot easier to get people into those groups and privates since that's the only way you're going to see the good stuff (from any girl on the site).
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I started escorting during the recession actually and I never experienced a big drop in business. I think with escorting there will always be a demand. Sex sells! My worst month escorting was 3500(and this was because I didn't have enough active ads out there). With camming there is a bigger playing field, we get customers from almost everywhere in the world. It's not like escorting where you just have to work with your current physical location. However, I see ladies complaining about not making money camming, making only $100 a day camming but I would make $500 or more a day escorting. I've had HORRIBLE days camming but not horrible days escorting. With the adult industry, It is a very individualized. I bet Aspen Rae, Devon Alexis isn't complaining about not making enough money camming and I bet Anna Marie or Holly Brooks is complaining about not having any business. If you throw a website up and don't do anything to market it.. it will just sit there but if you market that website everyday and put your all into it, you will see some success. Again it's all YMMV (hehe).
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TouringGirlfriend
I started escorting during the recession actually and I never experienced a big drop in business. I think with escorting there will always be a demand. Sex sells! My worst month escorting was 3500(and this was because I didn't have enough active ads out there). With camming there is a bigger playing field, we get customers from almost everywhere in the world. It's not like escorting where you just have to work with your current physical location. However, I see ladies complaining about not making money camming, making only $100 a day camming but I would make $500 or more a day escorting. I've had HORRIBLE days camming but not horrible days escorting. With the adult industry, It is a very individualized. I bet Aspen Rae, Devon Alexis isn't complaining about not making enough money camming and I bet Anna Marie or Holly Brooks is complaining about not having any business. If you throw a website up and don't do anything to market it.. it will just sit there but if you market that website everyday and put your all into it, you will see some success. Again it's all YMMV (hehe).
very true! but i wonder if aspen and devon have seen a decrease? i mean they still make a shit ton so it probably doesn't matter but i wonder if they are still making as much as they did last year. i think it will be easier for the girls who have been in the industry for a while because they've built up a dedicated fanbase over the years and have developed relationships with those guys which tend to make them spend longer. even if they never got a single new customer those girls would probably be set for life! but what about the girls who are just starting out? do they have the same opportunity to make as much money as they would have if they joined the industry in say, 2006? and what can we all do to ensure that camming and other forms of adult work remain dependable sources of income?
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BlakeDahlia
As far as the influx of new models to the cam girl scene, I'm not sure it's something to really worry about in the long term. It is true that on sites like MFC, a couple years ago a busy night would be like 600 girls. Now a busy night could be up to 1000+. But I think the majority of these girls are not sticking around. A lot of girls get involved thinking that it will be a quick way to make an easy buck and don't realize the amount of self discipline involved in working from home.
At first I thought the tipping structure on sites like MFC are the way to go and I still think that those sites give us more freedom for creativity when it comes to putting on a show. Those guys are looking for entertainment as well as a naked girl. But I've recently found that I've been doing a lot better financially since I started working on a site where the focus is almost entirely on groups and privates. And it's generally a lot easier to get people into those groups and privates since that's the only way you're going to see the good stuff (from any girl on the site).
That's a really good point. I've had the same thoughts as well, and I've known many an aspiring camgirl who has either given up out of frustration, quit because she was discovered by someone she knew, or only did it for a season (for example, while in college until graduation), etc. However, with the amount of girls getting laid off and the pressure on modern women to contribute financially and support their families, some girls are sticking with it and probably moreso than in the past because they really don't have a choice. For a lot of women this type of work isn't their first option anyway, but they are doing it as a means of survival. So there has definitely been an increase in competition but not necessarily an increase in customers, imo
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I think there is always room for new girls. As I said before we have a bigger playing field. With camming, I believe there are more customers than actual REAL models. That is why the sky is the limit when it comes to income. Phone sex is dying because men figured they rather see you masturbate than hear you masturbate/ hear you talk about masturbating. Men are visual creatures.
What can we do to make sure camming stays a dependable source of income? Let people do their own research. Stop sharing so much. I know it sounds horrible but think about it. With all the new signups in the last few days, there are people who come here and just freeload off of us. They do not share info with us. They just read what we post and go to these sites to sign up. That's why I wish this forum was private so we can only share amongst ourselves.
For example: I know a site that is currently paying girls $20 an hour plus whatever they get from privates. If I post that site on sw what will happen? Everyone will go there and sign up. I'm not even talking about the ladies that share info and participate here everyday but others that don't contribute and continute to leech. Have you been getting the "too many users on the site" message here lately? Wonder why?
Many members have gotten flamed for saying this but I will come out and say it. I really do believe it's best to share information with established members and not someone that just hops onboard. I think that's how camming would remain a dependable source of income :). LOL
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All I know is...when I first started camming, it was ridiculously easy to make money, not just with new girl luck, because it lasted about a year or so before I had to start leaning the ins and outs of marketing and promotion, which was really a whole other job in and of itself. I started on NF btw.
As the years went by, Id join new sites...new girl luck would last a couple weeks maybe, and then Id have to hussle my butt off and still didnt do like i did in my first year. Every time I take a break and come back, its even harder than it was before. Really...in the past couple of years the only thing thats kept me going are the regs that I had.
Heading back into the biz now, Ive decided escorting is the way for me to go because I do feel like cam is oversaturated and I will not get in and make what I need/what I used to. I will still definitely do it as an aside when Im not escorting, but I dont think it will be my main income. The cost of living around here is way too high, plus personally I know myself, I get burnt out way too easily with cam.
Camming involves more anonymity and is less invasive than escorting...something I think more women will jump into whether its short term or to make it a full time deal than escorting is. For that reason, I feel like Ill do better sooner and for the long haul with this than I did with cam.
Also, really good point someone brought up that while technically, this whole industry is a luxury...there are men who see this as an absolute necessity and will budget this in the same way they budget in rent, groceries and gas money....perhaps for some its an addiction even. The sex industry will never bottom out or die out in my opinion...but with so much to choose from online, I think guys arent going to stick to a handful of favorites...regs are where its at..without that, its hard as hell to keep a momentum going.
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I do think that overall the industry has been affected by the economy, and that its been two fold: guys making less $$ therefore spending less on luxuries like camshows...and more women finding themselves unemployed so they jump on cam and try to make a go of it. More women + less spenders - fail. However with that being said, I'm making more money than I ever have, so I think the key to succeeding is making sure you work hard and know what you're doing...know the industry. etcetc
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Oh yeah, here is something I posted in another thread, concerning the MFC-style tip-intensive platform: " I think that certain tipping systems can lead to desperation and comprimise (hence the downfall of class and dignity) since tipping in public chat can be a double-edged sword. Can tipping enhance earnings, be used as motivation which in turn serves as a springboard for creativity, new ideas, and a harder hustle? Yes, certainly! But can it also cause guys to try to get more for less, and EXPECT more for less, tempt naive/studio girls to give up the goods for mere cents in PUBLIC chat, and have an overall detrimental effect on the ambiance of the camsite as a whole? unfortunately, imo, this is true as well. Some guys are starting to depend on OTHER guys to tip and actually spend the money, because they know they can reap the exact same benefits on another tipping guy's coin. One rising phenomenon I have observed recently is that, with the popularity of tipping vs. privates that have a set rate, a lot of pimps/studios are setting up accounts that dont even use live girls but instead use recorded porn in hopes that some guys will tip ( and a few of the dumb, oblivious guys do). The rest who arent quite as dumb and oblivious get a full-on, dildo shoving, pussy-licking show. All for completely free. So... put simply... this, my friends, is not good for the future of real, hardworking camgirls like you and me. Not to be a cosmic killjoy or preach doom to world of camming, but its important that we don't overlook issues like this so that we can identify them and figure out what needs to change, and how to change it, if we want to be in control of the future of the camming business"