When is a buying signal not a buying signal?
One thing that confused me at the big club:
Where I come from, when a customer turns toward you, holds your hand, leans into you, or in other ways attempts to get closer to you, that is a BUYING SIGNAL. It means he wants to be near me and at this moment he is willing to part with his money in order to do so.
At the big club, that same behavior was like the kiss of death. THe customer would face me, touch my arm, hold my hand, and get "that look" in his eye, and I would start to reel him in, exactly the same as I always do.
And they would reject me. Every. F'ing. Time.
On the other hand, The dances I did get, almost always were initiated by the customer. I would plop down, chat a bit, and the next thing I knew, they were asking me if I wanted to go for a dance. Well, yeah. But it was totally out of the blue most times. I had no idea this customer was nay more interested in me than if I had been any random person at a bus stop with whom he had started a conversation.
Can someone please explain this dynamic to me?
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Guys who do that are just getting off on flirting with you. I've noticed exactly what you're talking about, too... that lots of men who are heavily flirtatious like to say no to dances... they just like playing games with women. To counter that, you should always be the one in control, seducing *him.* If a guy is being aggressive, be more aggressive... and ask him for a dance sooner when you see those signals, so that you don't lose your "value" by sitting there for too long. I feel like men who play those games are really reading into your behavior, and you have to impress them by being extremely confident and sexual, in order to get dances from them.
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BringOnTheMen
^^ ugh, yes. I work in a high hustle club and unfortunately guys love getting off on making you think they're going to give you money. Unfortunately, the only way to combat this is to spend little time with them.
I'm not sure how high hustle the club is Colleen is working in, but I second this ^^
Busy nights in a large, high hustle club I usually spend less than 3 minutes selling a dance. If I see potential for a CR sale prior to closing I'll spend a bit longer, otherwise I'll try upselling during or immediately after the dance then.....NEXT!
During the day or slower nights I adjust this accordingly but I think you just kinda feel your way through each customer to avoid time wasters. Good luck!
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I find that guys that go to big clubs like yours are so used to be sucked up to for their money in and outside strip clubs that the novelty of it has long worn off and they need to feel you are being more genuine with them. They can sense you think you're about to rope them and they're throwing you a curve ball. Maybe try telling these guys that you're having a great time with them and you'd love to talk alone somewhere in private (room or block of dances). If they don't show interest tell him that you're terribly sorry but you need to go mingle, but see if you can give him a parting dance. Then you can revisit the idea of being intimate in private while you're dancing naked.
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Sounds like you pressed your hot button too soon with the type of customer you were with. Not all customer types are the same & at your normal club you may have become accustomed to a "color type" that is different from what is primarily seen in the bigger club. You have to switch up what you do for the customer. In those big clubs the reds tend to be quick sales if you press the right button, but the greens & yellows need a bit more time to acclimate & feel close before you press the button for the sale.
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bleh what seashell said is spot on. usually guys like this i try to quickly make a sale and gtfo. these guys want as much for free as possible and lead you on to get it... they make you think you will spend so you will let them be handsy flirtatious and put their hand on your thing or stomach etc for free...then when you actually try to make them spend they will dodge around it as much as possible while at the same time trying to frantically get in one last rub or ass grab attempt before you walk away while telling you how you are sooo beautiful and not tonight babyyyy.
i also find these are the same group of guys who try to drag your hand to their penis. i hate that. srsly,... wtf is wrong with men. never in my life could i imagine trying to physically force a stranger to rub my pussy after the first handshake and name exchange.
i hate men.
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Athenathefabulous
i also find these are the same group of guys who try to drag your hand to their penis. i hate that. srsly,... wtf is wrong with men. never in my life could i imagine trying to physically force a stranger to rub my pussy after the first handshake and name exchange.
i hate men.
LOL sorry this is a classic. I fucking feel you.
Esp on nights at big clubs where guys will sit with me and go, "wow youre so fun and you actually chat for a song or too, thats way hotter than that fake chick over there, she is way too skinny and her boob job is too much, youre a hot real girl"
then do the avoidance thing you guys are all talking about, THEN 20 mins later i see the guy going to VIP or getting a bunch of dances from THE SAME CHICK he was making fun of. My friend and I decided this is because they want a front row ticket to the freak show. Like OMG that girls tits are soooo insane its gross i want her to smack me in the face with them. fucking pigs. This has happened to me sooooo many times at bigger clubs.
i hate men.
(no offense to any barbie type girls, im saying certain young jackass kinds of guys think that those girls are a freak show and will buy dances just to gawk and make fun of her later, even though they got turned on they dont want to admit it....)
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^^^ Maybe its just me, but I rarely ever get the customers who try doing things like grabbing my hands & trying to get me to touch them. I can't even remember the last time. Then again my tolerance level tends to be pretty low for certain types... probably the same ones more inclined to do that. I think a lot of what you attract has to do with what you put out though. While I flirt, I know I come off as being super sweet but fully in control from the get go. If I had a guy trying to do that continuously though I would probably just end the dances.
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I wonder if its true about the color-type thing. I have to admit, that completely mystifies me. I an naturally a sincere person, and I genuinely like men, and I think in my blue-collar word that works for me. I mean, I don't have a "work personna" or anything like that, it's just me, in lingerie.
I have noticed the same thing about gusy getting dances form the girl they say the cant stand. "THere's so n so--she thinks her shit don't stink!" "Thet girl looks aobut 18--Blech!" and off they go, right to the VIP.
The shit-don-stink girl, incidentally, is the top earner on that shift. I have noticed she does not spent much time at tall with certain people. With some people (who were never at the club before, according to them) she would spend less than a minute. I had plenty of time to sit around and watch other girls hustle.
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colleen
I wonder if its true about the color-type thing. I have to admit, that completely mystifies me. I an naturally a sincere person, and I genuinely like men, and I think in my blue-collar word that works for me. I mean, I don't have a "work personna" or anything like that, it's just me, in lingerie.
Dude I have been hearing about this "color type" thing forever, i know its a strip and grow rich thing, right? but i have never found a single thread or link to explain it. will someone please tell me WTF they are/mean?
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no its not just SGR. I first heard about it when I was trying to do multi-level marketing in the 1990's.Apparently it is a derivative of some fancy-pants psychological test. People are grouped into 4 color types. Reds are aggressive business types, blues are fun-loving impulsive types, yellows are nice and kind types, and greens are your ordinary-average-guy types. Each group has its own personality traits and its own best way to sell to it.
What trips me up is, I forget which type needs which sales technique. Then I start overthinking and go into analysis paralysis. I tend to rely more on mirroring and matching.
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colleen
no its not just SGR. I first heard about it when I was trying to do multi-level marketing in the 1990's.Apparently it is a derivative of some fancy-pants psychological test. People are grouped into 4 color types. Reds are aggressive business types, blues are fun-loving impulsive types, yellows are nice and kind types, and greens are your ordinary-average-guy types. Each group has its own personality traits and its own best way to sell to it.
What trips me up is, I forget which type needs which sales technique. Then I start overthinking and go into analysis paralysis. I tend to rely more on mirroring and matching.
Thanks colleen :) Yeah Ive listened to some of the SGR podcasts and they always reference colors and never explain it. Those make sense.
Yeah I usually rely on mirroring, leading questions that end in yes, closing lines etc. If i over think things too much I blow the sale.