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It has nothing to do with fairness...it's the nature of the beast in sales. It's tacky, but people do it. Just stay focused on your goals and remember that many of the strippers boasting about their incomes are lying. Do what's best for you and your financial goals.
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This business is all about competitiveness. It can bring out the worse in people. Girls get such big heads and egos that they don't even think twice about anyone else's feelings. I also think that alot of girls lie about how much they make.
We had a girl like this awhile back. She'd be making between $500 and $1500 a night. She, however, was a nasty whore. She'd sit there and count out loud, "100, 200, 300, 400,....then oh my god!! I ONLY made $700 tonight *enter pouty face*" It's like, really??! You know none of us barely made $100. One night she was counting her money out loud and someone yelled, "Shut the fuck up you rotten toothed whore! We all know you're sucking dick!" Shut her right the fuck up. She quit shortly after :)
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what club were you working at if you dont mind me asking? because im in SD and i'm going to be going to a new club soon (nude also) and was wondering if it was the same
except i have a feeling you might be talking about cheetahs..but not positive
anyway, i don't work at a club where girls make that much so i don't have to deal with girls around me bragging but there is a girl who left our club and went to a better one and talks about making 600 on a dayshift when she knows no one at our club even makes that much on weekend nightshifts.
i guess there's people like that everywhere and it does get annoying but we just have to ignore them. ya i agree half the time they're lying anyways.
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alot of dancers inflate their numbers in front of other dancers to try to intimidate them. Many dancers even add their own cash to garters to make it appear they made more than they did. The real money makers are the silent money makers in the club and they dont need to gloat about earnings. Besides 1000 a night in this economy much less in Cali sounds like bullshit to me.
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*runs and hides* Ok I'll cop to it if I've had a REALLY FANTASTIC night I have been known to be a loudmothed little cunt and flaunt my earnings, but it's usually if I don't like the bitches, or if there's new girls and I want to "mark my territory" kind of the way a dog hikes its leg.
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Once in a while if you're happy about earnings, ok. Every single night, no. This girl verbally complains that it's "wack" if she's leaving with 600 on a Friday.
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The thing is that the girls I have in mind are never seen doing extras, in fact some of the dances I've seen them doing are pretty lame. I chalk it up to mostly their looks. But you're right, I'm sure they lie and say certain things to get guys back there which is something I'll never do because I would rather lose out on money than have someone disappointed in what I do or how I do it.
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It is pretty sad when girls have to brag about money daily in order to feel good about themselves. Just tune them out, they're being attention whores.
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I think stripper earning are like penis sizes.......
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^lol. I think you're right.
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kaiarose
This business is all about competitiveness. It can bring out the worse in people. Girls get such big heads and egos that they don't even think twice about anyone else's feelings. I also think that alot of girls lie about how much they make.
We had a girl like this awhile back. She'd be making between $500 and $1500 a night. She, however, was a nasty whore. She'd sit there and count out loud, "100, 200, 300, 400,....then oh my god!! I ONLY made $700 tonight *enter pouty face*" It's like, really??! You know none of us barely made $100. One night she was counting her money out loud and someone yelled, "Shut the fuck up you rotten toothed whore! We all know you're sucking dick!" Shut her right the fuck up. She quit shortly after :)
lmao, I wish I would have been there for that.
It was most annoying how she would make all this money, yet still use everyone else's stuff.
I remember coming in one night and she's all, "You should've been here last night, me and 'so and so' each made over $1000 last night!" when the other girls were bitching about that night how they had to stay because she was in champagne with the only guys who came in that night. I would've been so pissed.
but yeah....I think it's great when girls have a good night, but I wouldn't wanna hear it all the time...definitely wouldn't want to hear bragging.
One time at a club, this girl came off stage with all $5 tips and shook it in my face, "THAT'S how you do it Avery." I was kinda drunk, so I didn't really realize what had happened until my friend told me what a bitch she was being. I told my really good regular about it. Next time she was there, and I was on stage, he stuck about $200 in my g=string, ($20's and a $100), so when I got off stage I had no problem going up to here and shaking my money in her face and saying, "THAT'S how you do it."
That's the extent of my bragging though.. :P
at the end of the day, I know I'm probably one of the lowest earners in the club, but for the most part, I'm okay with what I make. I'm still able to help provide for my family, still able to have a good time and still able to know that the money I DID make was clean money. Sooo..it's all good. :P
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Asians make a lot of money where you are at? Wow... here in Toronto they are a dime a dozen and 99% are cheap and do extras. I am Asian and have a hard time making money at the clubs because of this. I am tall and I have big tits too....
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OJenni!
Asians make a lot of money where you are at? Wow... here in Toronto they are a dime a dozen and 99% are cheap and do extras. I am Asian and have a hard time making money at the clubs because of this. I am tall and I have big tits too....
That is crazy!
Every club I've ever worked at, Asian girls banked!
I hope this doesn't sound wrong (or come out wrong), but I wish I could be Asian for like a week and see how much money I'd make lol :D
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_Avery_
That is crazy!
Every club I've ever worked at, Asian girls banked!
I hope this doesn't sound wrong (or come out wrong), but I wish I could be Asian for like a week and see how much money I'd make lol :D
What I would give to be a hot white girl in Toronto...
Asians here are notoriously cheap ($60/hr escorts? Yup 100% of them are from China) around here and are all the "wanna dance" type that speak few words of English.
All are thin and small chested. I am 5'7 tall 145 pounds 38DD and most times when I approach customers in Toronto they all "pass" on me because I am not your standard size asian willing to do everything in the back room for $50.
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We have a few VERY stunning Asians. Some are Filipino, some are mixed with white or Hawaiian or Mexican. A few are Korean/Japanese/Thai. But most of them also have big fake boobs and are not FOBs or cheap. The top earner at my club is a tatted up skinny stick figure mixed Asian with huge rock hard silicone boobs. It seems like an unlikely pairing or unattractive mix but she's pretty cute and I guess the guys like it. She's a total cunt though and a cokehead. But customers dont know that, lol.
I imagine wherever a certain type of girl is rare, a girl of that kind will bank. My club is loaded with blondes so competition for us is fierce.
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BunniHops
We have a few VERY stunning Asians. Some are Filipino, some are mixed with white or Hawaiian or Mexican. A few are Korean/Japanese/Thai. But most of them also have big fake boobs and are not FOBs or cheap. The top earner at my club is a tatted up skinny stick figure mixed Asian with huge rock hard silicone boobs. It seems like an unlikely pairing or unattractive mix but she's pretty cute and I guess the guys like it. She's a total cunt though and a cokehead. But customers dont know that, lol.
I imagine wherever a certain type of girl is rare, a girl of that kind will bank. My club is loaded with blondes so competition for us is fierce.
I am korean mixed with aboriginal (native/Indian... whatever you want to call it).
Are there many FOBs where you work?
FOBs are very popular here. I speak good English so many customers are thrown off by that.
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I'm half Filipino and half white. I am not a top earner either. I am usually either the only, or one of two in the clubs I work at. Not to say I don't have my good nights. However, usually when most girls are having a hard time... I am too.
I have always found that most of the places I have worked, it was the typical blonde bombshell that was the top earner.
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Wow. Asians bank here. Like, seriously..you can't even come close to making half of what they make in a night.
Before I came out here the top earners in every club I worked at were always from some exotic country. Argentina, Russia, Egypt, the freakin identical twins from Czechoslovakia *is so jealous*
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I hate talking numbers, & I hate when people ask me what I earn. When I started that was considered RUDE. I don't know what happened to that, but I wish it would go back to the way it was! I get a lot of people that ask me what I make, & I never say exactly. Even friends ask me, which is very irritating because they should know better! If they want to play the guessing game then fine... but don't expect me to just answer & if you start guessing dollar for dollar I will tell you that you are rude. Even when I ask my friends about other clubs I say "What does the average dancer earn there?" not "How much do you take home per night?". I don't want/need to know exactly what other people are making... particularly because most of the time I have an idea of how different their hustle style is from mine. However, we all hear enough numbers thrown around the dressing rooms that if a friend tells me the numbers she's hearing & they are the same as what I'm hearing at other clubs, I assume that her club isn't any better. I also can generally tell, based on the averages others hear, what I would be able to earn at the club.
I have bad nights just like everyone else... but I think my bad nights are far less often than most, & even a bad night for me might be a good night for someone else, so I don't complain much. If something messes up my hustle though really bad & it could have been avoided, then I'm generally not happy & will tend to express that. With that said, I don't look so much for clubs with the most earning potential these days, but rather clubs which I feel safe in, are well operated, & have good staff. Often that means smaller clubs that are independently owned or part of a smaller chain. I'd rather be the big fish in the small sea but know that I have less to worry about than to be the medium or big fish in a big sea... but know there is tons to worry about (been there, done that). Then again, I've been doing this along time & I enjoy it, but I know if I want to continue with this as a career I need to limit the stress to avoid burn-out.
Another thing I do is to carry a purse because it's discrete, which helps to avoid problems with jealous entertainers. One of the things you learn about being a top earner is that unless you are friends with all the girls at the club (& sometimes even then) they will try to make your time in the club miserable. By not having the money out & showing, it helps keep down the chances that the other girls will start problems in an attempt to get you to leave the club... which they believe will allow them to earn more money. The fact is though that if they couldn't earn it before you were there, chances are they won't be able to do it when you leave either... not that they would ever believe that.
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BringOnTheMen
Whenever earnings come up in conversation at my club and someone looks down on how little I make, I always respond "yes, but I'm a CLEAN dancer." there are very few clubs and very few girls who can make a guaranteed $1000/shift without:
Having awesome regulars
Extras
Lying to customers about extras
Somehow ripping off the club (girls at my club were caught paying off the bouncers to let them stay in a private room without paying the club, basically stealing $1-800 from the club a night)
Chances are these girls aren't making as much as they say they are, but if they are making a ton they are probably doing something against the rules. So just hold your head high and ignore them.
This is all VERY true, & exactly how I feel about it. When I say I am generally the top dancer of a club, or within the top 3, I am referring to the earnings made through the club which are legal & honest. I can't always know exactly where I stand, but generally my reference point is what the club records based on champagne rooms, private dances, & drink sales. I'm basing what I say off of physical records, not the amounts that other entertainers claim to be making when they go into the dressing rooms. There are certainly times when I know I make more money than the girls doing extras (I've had them get pissed about it), but I also know that there are times they earn more than I... it's just that the club records don't show it & I know that they are earning it doing things that I wouldn't do.
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_Avery_
One time at a club, this girl came off stage with all $5 tips and shook it in my face, "THAT'S how you do it Avery." I was kinda drunk, so I didn't really realize what had happened until my friend told me what a bitch she was being. I told my really good regular about it. Next time she was there, and I was on stage, he stuck about $200 in my g=string, ($20's and a $100), so when I got off stage I had no problem going up to here and shaking my money in her face and saying, "THAT'S how you do it."
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That's the extent of my bragging though..
That is AWESOME! Ugh, I wish stage money could be how it used to be. I remember my first few nights dancing in SF. My club in CO didn't have lap dances so we banked all on stages. Then I go to SF & the stage tips were practically non-existent... because the club had lap dances. People want to talk about how porn ruined this industry, & maybe to some extent it did, but primarily the clubs did it to themselves. Give a mouse a cookie... aka give them an inch & they'll take a mile. Clubs would be smart on a larger level across the country to hike up their entry fees & just start paying entertainers again. We honestly could just cut out this whole lap-dance business all together & let the guys tip us on stages. Maybe then they'd think twice & appreciate the good old fashioned table dances!
I think you were justified in your bragging Avery.
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BringOnTheMen
at the end of the day, I know I'm probably one of the lowest earners in the club, but for the most part, I'm okay with what I make. I'm still able to help provide for my family, still able to have a good time and still able to know that the money I DID make was clean money. Sooo..it's all good.
This is exactly how you should feel Avery. Other than being able to pay your bills, it's not really about the money... its more important that you enjoy what you are doing. I was a top earner when I was younger because I was about the only white girl in a minority club, I was young, very thin yet chest & bum, & I was a lot more willing to do things like floor-work for 90% of my shows which included the booty shaking/popping. You wouldn't catch me doing most of what I did then now, & it's really doubtful that I'd ever work at that club again. Earning money for me is not as easy these days. I'm much older, I will barely do floor-work, have a lot less patience for stupid &/or drunk customers, & I'm generally a lot more prude. I'd rather hustle a lot to find one really great customer than to deal with a bunch of non-sense from customers who aren't going to spend much. That translates to the fact that while I might be sweet as pie, I'm also a lot more likely to walk away from customers who irritate me. This often also effects what regions of the country I prefer to work in as well, because I like the men who act like gentlemen... it's less stress for me which will also help me avoid burn-out. It's all about finding the balance between making what you need to earn for bills/savings & being able to love what you do.
As far as Asians & earnings, mine would surely go down if I turned Asian... I'd probably be too busy molesting myself to be bothered with the customers! :P Just saying, there are tons of hot Asian girls...
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I don't like to talk about my money to no one, whether it was a great night or bad. It's no one's business.
I also don't like it when girls come up to me in the dressing room telling me how bad it is upstairs & didn't make shit while i'm getting ready, or hearing them talk out loud about it. That's negative energy I don't need to be around. I need to start brining in my ipod.
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I don't like to talk about my money to no one, whether it was a great night or bad. It's no one's business.
I feel the same way. If a co-worker asks how my shift was or if I've been busy I'll reply with something like "It's been steady" or "Not too bad" and smile nicely. Unfortunately at my venue you can go check the stats for each shift in a log book, so you know exactly how many dances each girl has done.
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ZePeanut
Wow. Asians bank here. Like, seriously..you can't even come close to making half of what they make in a night.
Same here! A new girl started yesterday, she's our only Asian and absolutely killed it.
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I don't talk about my earnings to a lot of girls, and I certainly don't publicize it. There are a few trusted girls at work who I will give a ball-park figure to (and them to me) and that helps me keep in check. Of course, I always want to work as hard as I can and make as much as I can, but knowing that other dancers aren't making triple what I do lets me know that I shouldn't quit yet.
If there's a day when I know everyone else is making 5 or 6 bills while I'm bringing home 200 consistently...then I quit dancing.
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i been seeing this problem a lot recently having girls who are usually not high earners get quite a bit of money one or two shifts and think theyre the shit and feel as though now they can educate others on the business and demand top girl respect and shit and they been dancing for like 5 months.
so im gonna throw myself in the deep end and risk controversy here.
with all due respect to the high earnrs in this thread along with smart career dancers.
the thing is, yes its irritating, but i dont care if people think theyre top earners now. i think its kinda sad when girls flaunt their 'top earner status'. you make a lot of money as a stripper. boo hoo. majority of these girls are drop outs and live from paycheck to paycheck. your earning potential may top mine, but at the end of the day, you make your money as a sex worker like i do. and i think its sad that sex workers compete with each other about whose the best sex worker and better at lying to men and showing vagina. [yes i know sales, superstripper, blah blah] i have a lot more respect for median earners who are undertaking college studies or preparing to run their business, and making a living through that and being a well-established professional in their field.
doesnt anyone else think this competitive attitude is horseshit?
oh well fire away..
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i been seeing this problem a lot recently having girls who are usually not high earners get quite a bit of money one or two shifts and think theyre the shit and feel as though now they can educate others on the business and demand top girl respect and shit and they been dancing for like 5 months.
so im gonna throw myself in the deep end and risk controversy here.
with all due respect to the high earnrs in this thread along with smart career dancers.
the thing is, yes its irritating, but i dont care if people think theyre top earners now. i think its kinda sad when girls flaunt their 'top earner status'. you make a lot of money as a stripper. boo hoo. majority of these girls are drop outs and live from paycheck to paycheck. your earning potential may top mine, but at the end of the day, you make your money as a sex worker like i do. and i think its sad that sex workers compete with each other about whose the best sex worker and better at lying to men and showing vagina. [yes i know sales, superstripper, blah blah] i have a lot more respect for median earners who are undertaking college studies or preparing to run their business, and making a living through that and being a well-established professional in their field.
doesnt anyone else think this competitive attitude is horseshit?
oh well fire away..