Just found this news article about a place that had pole dancing classes for kids 3 to 7 years old.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ung-THREE.html
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Just found this news article about a place that had pole dancing classes for kids 3 to 7 years old.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ung-THREE.html
I didn't click the link but I'm assuming that's Sarah burges? She gave her 7 yr old a voucher for a boob job when she's 16, and gave her 15 yr old Botox!!!!
I gasped when I saw those pictures. That about sums up how I feel about this. When I read that they were only classes for girls and then that they had their legs in a "v", I was really disgusted. They say it's good for kids as exercise but then why wouldn't the class be open to boys too?
There's a club downtown where I live that installed a second pole in their club off to the side. I think they were sick of college girls coming in doing stripper moves around the stage.
The last time I was there I saw a young woman and a 50 something dude trying out some moves on the pole. I wanted to take a stab at it actually. Maybe I will sometime. Looked like fun.
Yea, what about us dudes?
PS,
Now that I remember, I asked the bartender if I could be a pole dancer if I wanted to. She said yes and she wasn't kidding.
^^ Men really do pole dance.
My point with bringing up the fact that the class is only for girls was that the gym has ulterior motives other than just wanting kids to exercise. If they just wanted kids to exercise than all kids would be able to, not just girls.
Sick. I am disgusted when little girls are sexualized. Then we wonder why the morals are lacking.
Yeah... gross.
I wonder how many mothers enroll their daughters in these classes and the dad's are vomiting because they were at the SC the night before they found out about their kid's new class.
Seriously, there is no reason toddlers or kids of any age should be doing this. It's so sexual. What parent would sign their kid up to learn how to dance like a stripper??
I think this whole argument is just dumb... you can't say that that just because a thing exists & is used by a certain person that it's a bad thing. I talk about this in my blog on Pole Dancing In the Olympics, paragraphs two & three. If people want children to not have an interest in twirling around poles then they need to stop putting them in subways, on playgrounds, showing them firemen going down poles, & acrobats on them, etc. Its part of a child's natural nature to be curious & explore... including on poles. If the instructor is teaching this without sexual undertones, then it's nothing more than another form of gymnastics/acrobatics like: pole/mast climbing, mallakhamb, Chinese pole, etc.
So, around the world, let's take another look at how other traditions view children in regards to pole:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF5bTTl9tQc
Probably 75%+ of these moves are similar to "pole dancing".
Same thing here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FTBr...eature=related
Just more graceful.
This boy looks to be about 4/5 years old:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQxg5hxrNbs
Another prime example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMPq0...eature=related
Mind you the show in India seems pretty impressed with all of this
The Chinese also have pole sports:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsiPGGC2rBs
The Chinese child acrobats are taught numerous things which relate to moves used in modern western pole dancing & some of these children are really young:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epKExJ6vEgY
Pole sports have also spread to Thailand & being done by young children:
http://2bangkok.com/2bangkok-news-10022.html
Netherlands pole vaulting:
http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=74521
Notice how many of the men jump part way up & then "climb" as the pole begins to tilt over? The women don't... thus they end up in the water. These people all look pretty young, & I suspect that many started into this as teens.
Then look at the kids learning in Western socities:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2cTq4O3z8s
If you want my opinion, its lame in comparison. Westerners are so concerned with their own ideas of things that they can't explore in an idea beyond what they are taught. Basically, we are "stuck in the box".
These are exactly the arguments that keep happening though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ihuq...eature=related
I've mentioned this before, but a studio I worked at did have students under the age of 18... including a high school girl receiving physical education credit for the classes. I have to say, if bowling can count for PE credit, I certainly think pole should... its far better exercise & conditioning!
In comparison all of this is apparently okay ::):
1. 5 year old beauty pageants:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERW33...feature=relmfu
Note she talks about her "booty"... the kids on the poles aren't doing that - to them it's gymnastics, not physical vanity.
2. Same 5 year old girl done up as a showgirl:
a. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh-1k...eature=related
b. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_XRo...eature=related
3. Then you have all the extreme movements, adult related music, & costumes being worn by children in dance classes:
a. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYRIY...eature=related
b. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh0QG...eature=related
c. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6aSgtHIjsI
d. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZaok...eature=related
e. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNtgc...BF205FBE298AFF
f. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciFKP...eature=related
There are also parents like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fN3rEaf70s
More proof that anything can be sexualized...
Basically ANYTHING can be sexualized... people need to just stop fussing so much & realize that its not what you do - it's how you do it.
Here are a few prime examples:
a. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRLVAb1yA2Q
b. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xABwi9r7m7w
c. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbmKiWIwNM0
This group used the same theory about "how you do it":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0aCS...eature=related
Basically, "strip" pole dancing of the sexualized music, clothing, hair flips & undulating hip movements... & you have nothing more than another acrobatic act without anything to fuss over.
As far as boys not being allowed in class, plenty of forms of education do that with students because the genders tend to distract each other from learning. That doesn't make it right, but it is what it is. If someone has a problem with it they can take it to court.
^^^Maybe it's just me... but I don't think you can compare 5 year olds doing pole tricks like... letting go of the pole and doing a fucking flip in the air 20 feet up... to the over sexualized HARDLY athletic excuse for pole dancing that the classes in the US teach.
What. The. Fuck?! :crazy:
That's just.....disturbing.
Seriously, did you even read what I wrote or look at the examples? Its not just the US... as a matter of fact that studio from the article isn't even IN the US! You also have obviously never been in a classes where the moves, music, & dress weren't sexualized... but I have, & I know it can be done.
Yes, Kylea, I read what you wrote. First you tried to say that allowing kids to have playground equipment and installing poles on subways encourages curiosity about poles... so it's okay to show stripper moves if they're not sexual. Then you compared two things that are completely non-comparable... then complained about westerners being stuck 'in the box' and talked about how you worked at a place that taught disgusting sexual pole tricks to children in high school.
A. Providing children with PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT and having poles for people to hold onto on the subway doesn't encourage POLE DANCING. Children don't look at a fire pole at the playground and go "I wonder if I can flip upside down, arch my back and spread my legs?"
B. If the class were being taught without sexual undertones that's FINE. But in the videos I've watched they're just teaching the same moves that strippers do and saying "Oh it's not sexual unless you make it." Which is bullshit.
C. OBVIOUSLY I can't comment on disgusting pole dancing for children in other countries because I LIVE IN THE US... so I would only be able to observe classes that teach girls under 18 pole tricks first hand.
D. I have been to classes that are supposed to be non-sexualized... Guess what. It's still the same moves from in the club. You know... the ones that put your body on display in a sexually appealing manner. Sooo. They're still sexual.
Btw, I find beauty pageants distasteful as well along with anything that sexualizes little girls. Little girls should be little girls. Back when I was little my parents were approached about me being a child model because I was an exceptionally pretty little girl. They rejected this as well as anything regarding me getting anything entertainment related. They also turned down the opportunity for me to study at a major dance company downtown because they didn't feel as an 8 year old I would understand it all. They wanted me to be a little girl who played with Barbies and did typical little girl things. I intend to raise any daughter I have the same.
Again, they aren't "stripper moves"... they are just tricks. Things like Mallakhamb (popularized in the early 19th century) existed far before modern stripping, & many of the moves were more than likely taken from those. Then it simply merged into stripping via the circus tents in the 1920s while being combined with the dancers (often belly dancer origins). Keep in mind this is before modern strip clubs even existed... in other words strippers have no real claim to the pole tricks. It's the same as any other form of dancing, experimentation can lead to similarities, or people can improve on what they've already seen. This eventually leads to distinct styles, but that does not mean they can't be performed in other ways.
Explain what you mean because this tells me nothing.
Many are hung up on what things are called. You know the saying "a rose by any other name"... that's true, except that this is an example of different types of something under an umbrella name.
Again, you need to re-read. First, I did not say children (plural), I said the studio has a high school student receiving physical education credit for learning pole... which was done through private instruction. I'm not sure if the owner would have had full classes of children, although we did have a lot of parents ask. Second, I never said that what the student learned was disgusting or sexual... that's your own judgement. If you think a young boy doing the tricks from Mallakhamb is disgusting &/or sexual, then one might assume you would take issue with this. It's all subjective to how you perceive things.
I said it encourages EXPERIMENTION & CURIOUSITY... which it does.
Care to place a wager on that? The minute many kids touch a pole the first thing they do is try to swing around it! That's usually followed by seeing if they can climb it, then hang from it. Eventually leading to seeing if they can flip on it. What many don't think is "How can I make this look sexy?"... adults tend to be the ones to think like that.
Exactly, & that is my point... they shouldn't be taught with undertones & people need to stop jumping to conclusions. If a person has a child & they aren't sure about what is being taught or the format, the best thing to do is to go watch a class BEFORE enrolling your child. If I had a child, I can straight out say that I wouldn't enroll she/he in 85% of the jazz classes today if I were conservative... & that's coming from a woman who practically grew up in dance studios.
I agree with you on this, however I ought to take you to some of the studios around Colorado. Its really odd to me but so many of them actually focus on yoga in their pole classes! :O That alone is prime proof to me that not all of these classes are sexualized. Admittedly I would like to see how KT Coates runs her classes. I know she's a proponent of the "non-sexual" version of pole dancing (check her studio website under "About V. D."), but from the choreography, music, etc, I can 100% say there are sexual undertones. She could do a lot better of "removing the stigma" from pole dancing.
That's going to be next to impossible to find in the US. As for other countries, remember that most are teaching pole acrobatics... they don't really "dance". That word "dance" though is generally what gets these places into trouble. If they removed the poles from formal pole studios, put them into circus art school that only teach children acrobatics, far less people would take issue with this.
Some people ought to be fired for not knowing how to do their job... there is no doubt about that.
LOL Do you know the history behind Barbie? If so, this is a bit ironic. Look up the following, which is what the doll was based from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild_Lilli_doll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild-Zeitung
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbie
True she was based on a sex doll, but most people won't associate the sex doll with Barbies. I just want any daughters I have not to worry about sex.
^^^ That get's right back to the point though... it's not about the "pole", it's about what people associate it with & the stigma that comes from that.
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What parent would sign their kid up to learn how to dance like a stripper ?
Maybe they think the future is so bleak job-wise that they might as well start training their daughters to be pole dancers from the get-go.
^^^ I have to agree with this assessement. If things keep proceeding the way they are, any parent who can't afford to provide an 'Ivy League' college education for their children should probably be thinking about starting their children on a path of early training for a potentially high paying career that doesn't require a college degree PLUS 'connections'. For boys, that's typically sports. But for girls, the Lingerie league is about as good as it gets money wise !
Most of the world depresses me. If parents don't have sense not to enroll their toddlers in pole dancing classes (Let's be real here. We all know what pole dancing is and is about.) they are idiots and will most likely raise idiots, too. They seem completely naive to the scores of kiddie porn enthusiasts who will be whacking off to the picture of the baby in a bra and shorts, swinging around a pole.
After you pass this 'pole dancing for toddlers' class, you can take the lapdancing class......
but its OK.....having a 6 yr old girl grinding little toddlercock....isnt sexual either ....unless you make it sexual....
they also teach the boys how to properly receive a lapdance as well.....the stealth boobie lick when she isnt looking(non sexual, of course) and the old non sexual surprise finger in the diaper move....
This is in the UK, right? Do your own thing you wacky brits!!
Power to your people!!
wow...that's just fucked up...
as a digression....maybe I'm naive...I've only been to the UK once....but I've always pictured the Brits as a sort of more "grown up" country than the US...kind of like our more mature parents who know better...but then I see this and I'm like "what the fuck..."
Ughhhh. I don't aim to change your mind. Clearly you think pole dancing should be mainstream and acceptable... I don't think "pole dancing" is the same as circus routines, ect and is something that should be confined to strip clubs. I'm content to agree to disagree.
NO. The acrobatics those other kids were doing are 'tricks'... back flipping off a 20+ foot pole is a trick.
Do strippers do some of these moves from those videos? sure... but you can't take a basic lift from an innocent looking routine and then combine it with a pose that emphasizes your tits and ass and say it's the same thing.
You're comparing stripping, 90% of the moves of which can be learned in a year or less by people with no athletic background in semi-decent shape... with extremely acrobatic routines by Chinese kids most 'pole queens' would break their fucking neck trying to do 70%+ percent of the moves in and saying "But look, they're both on a pole.. since one isn't sexual, that's proof that stripper moves can be non-sexual too!"Quote:
Explain what you mean because this tells me nothing.
They're not even close to the same thing... and completely non-comparable.
My apologies. You only worked for an institution that taught ONE child to do obscene movements and poses. That's totally better.Quote:
Again, you need to re-read. First, I did not say children (plural), I said the studio has a high school student receiving physical education credit for learning pole...
Yes, I'm completely willing to place a wager on the fact that silding down a pole at a playground doesn't make kids wonder how best to display their genitals on it.Quote:
Care to place a wager on that?
Again... these things are completely incomparable. What they teach in the circus and what they teach in pole dancing classes are on COMPLETELY different levels. You can't compare:Quote:
As for other countries, remember that most are teaching pole acrobatics... they don't really "dance". That word "dance" though is generally what gets these places into trouble. If they removed the poles from formal pole studios, put them into circus art school that only teach children acrobatics, far less people would take issue with this.
THIS:
http://thepoledancingacademy.com/wp-...oledancing.jpg
with THIS:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0HQw_6YxW9...pole_dance.jpg