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People who "understand" the hustle and "don't get dances"
Yesterday at work I was flirting and talking to this guy forever and he was talking about how he "understands" my hustle and how he'd rather hang out with me outside of the club than here (blah blah blah I'm sure EVERYONE has had someone say this bs to them). Then TWO of his friends both offer to buy him a lap dance from me and he's like "no, I don't get dances" and kept refusing the offer. I was so angry because I was being offered money I couldn't take because he "doesn't get dances".
What do you guys do in situations like this?
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Stop talking to him and go away.
Maybe ask for a tip, and see if I could get some of that money they were trying to give him. Or start talking to one of the other friends instead.
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He doesn't understand that you are a stripper not a girl that choice to hang out with him outside of the club. At work your time is money & if he isn't paying for it & refusing allowing you to make it then he is simply a jerk that you shouldn't be wasting your time on. You don't go to his job to refuse pay him for what he does & if he walked into a stripclub & wants a dancer's attention he should know that means he must be either stupid or willing to spend.
Why waste time on guys that think they got a chance of getting you out of the club when they come to your job to be cheap & devalue what you do for a living.
I just walk away & move on to those handing you the money.
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Another type of "time waster". You have to walk away from those dudes asap. You should've offered the friends dances instead, then left.
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Whenever someone offers their friend a dance and the friend refuses I talk to the guy with the money. I say, "I will get him to dance" and get the money from him, then I pressure the guy to go with me. If he really won't budge, I still hold onto the money and grab the friend or one of the other guys in their party. Once the money has changed hands, it is harder for them to get it back. Especially when someone pulls their money out, get it first, then deal with the stubborn guy after.
As far as him saying "I understand the hustle." Time waster and insulting. Not worth a second more of your time after that point.
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A lot of the guys who don't get dances are self conscious. They are uncomfortable with their bodies, looks, penis, something along those lines and it makes them uncomfortable to have a gorgeous girl on their lap touching them. It's fun for guys who can handle it, but some have trouble because it takes some self-acceptance to pay a woman who is way out of your league to entertain you while you sit back and watch and enjoy. The only good excuse I take is that if a man gets dances he becomes too horny and can't finish it off in the way he'd like. It's gross but I guess I understand. I wouldn't wanna get all hot and bothered and leave with blue balls! LOL!
But yeah, the "I don't get dances" types are always either have super low self esteem OR they think they're too hot to pay for a dance, which is dumb as hell. I had one of the most gorgeous men I've seen in a long time pay for a lot of dances with me last night. I'm sure he can get all the women he wants outside of the club, but he's comfortable with paying to have some fun.
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I hate pricks like this. You always find one in the group -they're just trying to act cool but don't realize they aren't. Don't even bother w/ them. Usually when they pull shit like that I just get up & walk away without a word as soon as the "I don't do dances" comes out of their mouth.
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I just smile and say "well it's my job...but YOU know that :) can I at least have a tip for my time?" and if he says no then LEAVE and DO NOT go back to him.
I think almost every guy who comes into the SC KNOWS it's a hustle and KNOWS you don't actually like them and KNOWS you're just after their money but they go along with it to be entertained.
when you go out to a movie you know you're being overcharged to sit in some crappy theater and you're overpaying for popcorn and drinks, but you do it anyway because it's FUN.
strip clubs are supposed to be entertainment.
the guy who has to state that he "knows your game" feels the need to assert the fact that he's different from the poor losers who come because they lack female attention. well, clearly, you're not because you're here. you're just cheap. you're here because you want to talk to women and you want to look at boobs. if you had no problem scoring chicks, you'd be at a bar. DUH!
when I get a guy like this I say "well why ARE you here?" and they'll say something along the lines of "I wanna look at boobs!" at which point I laugh to myself and walk away.
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I totally pull out the "you are insulting me" card. Get the money from his friends the minute they offer it. If he starts doing the "I don't want dances" thing then you can say "You wouldn't REALLY want me to have to give back the money to your friends would you? I was really looking forward to dancing for you. Come on, you can do this for me." [wink, bat the eyelashes] - then just wrap your arm into his & lead him away to the lap dance room.
I've done that countless times... works like a charm! The key though is getting the money from his friends right away. The minute they offer just stand up put one hand out to offer the customer help up from his chair, & the opposite hand out to the friend for the money. I know it sounds totally ridiculous, but it does work.
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If the guy's friend is offering the money and the guy will not get dances you work the guy with the money. You try to make him the better man while politely insulting the no dance man.
Men have egos that want to be stroked and some just need to be stuck with a pin.
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If the guy actually pulls out the cash and tries to hand it to me and the other one is refusing to accept a dance, I just shrug, walk over to the guy holding out the $, and say "ok then, YOU get his dance!" and just start giving him a table dance right there. I make about the same amount doing table dances as doing private lapdances so it doesnt matter to me either way, plus tryin to drag the guy w/ the $ to the back is harder and leaves more time open for him to refuse than if you just start dancing out on the floor. Plus a lot of times guys in groups dont wanna be "taken away" from their friends.
NOT that I'm one of those dancers who just walks up to a guy & starts dancing and expects to be paid even though he never agreed to a dance, but as far as I'm concerned once the money comes out and is bein offered to me SOMEONE'S gettin a dance
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What I say is, "you're coming with me to have fun now... your friends just paid for this song".... or if he reject me, I say to his friends "I think you should use that $20 for yourself instead"..... and these usually work. If they are all being party poopers I walk away, and say "maybe I'll catch you in a bit". Sometimes during the middle of the night they flag you over when they have more courage.
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vivylicious
Yesterday at work I was flirting and talking to this guy forever and he was talking about how he "understands" my hustle and how he'd rather hang out with me outside of the club than here (blah blah blah I'm sure EVERYONE has had someone say this bs to them). Then TWO of his friends both offer to buy him a lap dance from me and he's like "no, I don't get dances" and kept refusing the offer. I was so angry because I was being offered money I couldn't take because he "doesn't get dances".
What do you guys do in situations like this?
These guys are time wasters! Don't talk to them for "forever", problem solved.
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I ask the friends if they want dances. Tell them just bc they're friend doesn't want them doesn't mean they shouldn't have fun. I do this all the time and it usually works and I get dances from the friend. If he's willing to spend money on his friend he will probably spend money on a dance for himself.
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I know this is a total necro-post, but this thread came up in Similar Threads.
If the guy is alone, I don't hesitate to be a bitch when he starts that "know the hustle" crap. Usually something along the lines of "then you know this is my job. I don't come down to [insert demeaning job here; ie, McDonald's, Taco Bell, WalMart, etc] and watch you work for free." If he's spitting some bullshit "game" about how he can look at tits for free, like these guys usually do, I make a point to mention he's lying or he wouldn't be in the club. Either way, once it's clear that you're dealing with a customer there on an ego trip, stop asking questions and speak in statements. Questions (like "why are you here?") invite either lies or the usual lineup of answers that there are no real good responses to, and lack of or a sub-par response will leave these egotistical guys feeling like they got a leg up. The goal is to deflate their ego as much as possible, and we all know how defending ourselves against statements leaves us feeling desperate and vulnerable on some level. If/when you walk away, leave with a demeaning statement about looking for someone less cheap/pathetic/a waste of your time. If I had to guess, I'd say that these customers will apologize (either at the table or catch your attention some time later) and usually buy dances about 20% of the time; the remaining customers may buy a dance or two from another girl. Almost all of them leave fairly soon after you berate them, though.
I personally hate dealing with these guys in groups/pairs because it's harder to bust their balls without making yourself look like the bad guy. You really have to rely on rest of the group or the other guy to do it for you.
In groups, instead of being overtly bitchy to him, lightheartedly tease him to his friends with comments like "I think he's just scared/cheap!" If they do get in on the action, try to keep the mood the mood as upbeat and playful as you can while you're at the table, because he could sour everyone's mood if they rail him too hard. With enough practice and a little luck (I've only had it happen by luck so far,) you may be able to hit a sweet spot where he gives up the act and happily buys dances OR he'll buy dances to get away from his buddies until they stop harping on him. If that doesn't look likely or you don't feel like putting forth the time/energy for all that, just turn your attention to someone else in the group or excuse yourself.
If someone is offering to pay, accept the cash! The pressure is higher on him to accept the dance if you already have the money and, if he doesn't, you can always turn it around to see if the buyer or someone else wants the dance. If no one else bites and you can do a cute sorta-pout (some girls can't without a lot of practice, and sometimes you get lucky without it,) offer to refund instead of doing it automatically - some guys will tell you to keep all or a portion as a tip for your time/effort.
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To play on the advice above, if someone offers to pay for a dance for their friend, get the money first. Never, ever, ever, ever, ever dance for someone on someone elses' dollar without getting your money first.
And, like Naida said, making fun of them with their friends in a playful way often goads them or shames them into going with you. "Aw! You're shy!" "I think he's scared" "Is he a virgin?" Are all lines that I've used depending on the vibes I'm getting from the table. The virgin one hits them the hardest, we all know how virgins act in the strip club - no one wants to be that 19 year old virgin guy who nuts himself the second he walks into the club.
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Generally these people are complete time wasters for absolutely every girl in the club, sometimes they're just dicks who are waiting for a particular girl there for a dance and deciding to be rude about it and waste others girls time while they do wait.
if they say 'i know your hustle and what your trying to do', 'I'm in sales too babe' etc etc etc then say something like 'Well X then you will know how great I'm pitching and since you can tell i'm a great hustler then come find out how great a dancer i am too!' sometimes that works, if not just leave, but never spend too long with them and 'come right back' if they start that shit and the club has other potentials first.
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Ugh I hated this, always salesmen who pull this shit. Really just turn around and walk away. If you want give them a drop-dead stare.
I have noticed guys like this will spend a little on a dancer that REALLY turns them on but even that girl has to hustle them with sweet talk and sitting through songs...IMO only worth doing if it's dead slow in the club.
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He was working you. His ego was to get laid without you making a single dime. "He's different" LMAO
Take the friends money, never let money out of a pocket not end up in yours. You dance for the friend, you totally focus on him. You never even look at the first guy, if he talks to you, short one word answers & back to the guy who was spending money.
Someone tells me "no Sale" fine, take their word for it & go to where you have a "sale". He wanted your time for free in the club & then more of it outside the club.
Sam
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I sometimes respond with "Why go to the theme park and not ride the rollercoaster"-
Also, second not staying for the explanations and justifications as to why he doesn't pay for dances, I interrupt immediately with something along the lines of "I'm ready to have fun now" /"I'm going to spend my time with fun-loving people"/ "Well i love getting naked and being appreciated for it"/ and follow up immediately with "So if you decide to have some fun come and grab me etc etc"
Feel your dominance in the situation and Stare straight into their eyes as you say it, smile, turn, leave.
I have had nights where multiple maybe laters have come to find me for fun, or procrastinators etc + others are watching and a classy bitch knows she will make her monies so don't let "Mr Obv overflowing with pussy" affect a graceful exit- Pure class and dignity can fit any stripper persona; Ice queen, girl next door, Milf... trust me.
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Just walk away. There is a pick up artist program that teaches guys to say this to get dancers to go home with them without spending any money. This guy was probably just following the advice of the program and wasting your time.
Unless you are bored or don't have any other prospects in the club at the moment, it is best to wish this type of customer a nice life and start working on actual paying customers instead.
ETA: I just noticed that the OP is in Eugene, OR. I haven't danced there in a few years, but I gave up after the customers in that town always kept trying to ask ME for money, to buy THEM drinks, to give THEM rides etc. etc. I've danced all over the USA and Eugene was the only place I encountered this on a regular basis.
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Whenever I encounter these guys, I ask them if they could atleast tip me for my time. depending on how Much they tip, I stay around for a few more minutes before telling them that yes, I am there to make money, and if they want to keep talking then they need to keep tipping. I only do this when it's really slow and there's no one else spending.
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^ and they actually tip based on that? I believe in trying to hustle anything that moves but how often has that actually worked? I believe you're telling the truth but they're must be more too it than that.... or is it just that America is such a massive tipping culture? If a guy has said this to me it is generally another way of saying I don't want to spend money, I try and leave the situation open for money if he changes his mind by not telling him exactly how cheap I believe he is but I've found the guys who tip after saying this are very very rare. Is there more to your hustle?
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Occasionally, you just get a guy who is willing to tip, some times repeatedly, for your time at the table even though he won't buy dances. It's weird, but it happens.