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All these legal issues presumably only apply in the US 2257 doesn't exist anywhere else. So for girls outside of the US (and i believe this is a signifcant proportion of us on here) this is not an issue.
Couldn't the site be hosted and registered outside of the US? I'm guessing this is why SM is registered in Cyprus and LJ in portugal - to get around any potential legal issues.
I'm not sure about this - i'm not a lawyer but this seems to be a grey area. What does 2257 actually relate to? Is it concened with where the material is being produced or where it is being distributed (or both)?
I could definitely see a conservative US administration going after cam girls as a revenue generating exercise as much as anything else. I doubt they'd be concerned with girls outside of the US - they're not going to bother to extradite anyone for $10,000.
So if this were a collective, with girls from all over the world presumably it would make sense for the business not to be registered in the US but to choose a country with the most relaxed laws and have it registered there instead? Would this solve the problem?
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Ok done some reading on 2257. Can't say i've spent lots of time examining it and it's very dry (as you'd expect) but my (basic) understanding is that if the company is hosted outside the US and the servers with actual material on them are also located outside the US then there are no 'secondary performer' legal issues.
However there would be 'primary performer' legal issues if you are a US citizen and resident in the US - as an individual you need to adhere to 2257. So basically if you're from the states and you are not keeping the necessary records etc YOU are breaking the law as it stands. They could come for you but whether they will or not is a different matter. Enforcement in these sort of cases is usually pragmatic i.e. does the amount of money they stand to gain from prosecuting you outweigh the costs of investigation and prosecution. So, if they go after any performers, they'll go after the cam girls that make a lot money and that have been around a long time. There is no point issuing $10,000 fines if they have no chance that the fine can or will be paid. They're not going to start locking people up for it - the prisons are already far too full and it costs a lot of money to keep someone locked up. Spare cash is one thing the US does not have right now and this is only going to get worse - if the republicans do get in they're going to have a hard time balancing their moral stance with the pressure to cut national debt and keep taxes low - basically an impossible task. So they'll make pragmaitc decisions about who they go after - they'll pursue where they think the money is - and that's not us - it's the cam sites.
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JuliaSands
The idea sounds great, but..
Is $10.000 really enough for programmers, lawyers, 3rd party 2257 rec holders, traffic buying, advertising etc etc
Not trying to throw a negative on the idea, but trying to get a realistic look on things.
Where did you get the $100 figure from Bambalina? Just wondering if it is realistic.
Julia
Normally I'd say $20k to start a camsite. But if you really sit and think about the most horrible expenses, I think you'll see a collective of beautiful women has some advantages in this start-up that REGULAR folk do not.
On top of this, whatever else I am in all this, I am a promoter, and at least at the beginning, I work cheap...:)
The 2257 stuff is not THAT expensive.
Lawyers, well we'll need to be creative. But that is also a very interesting thing to discuss in the next chat.
The $100 figure was because if you are a camgirl and CAN'T afford it, then you don;t belong camming...yet it amasses enough money to get this whole thing rolling. Personally, we discussed that it is one share per person until 25 and then opens up for people to purchase extra shares if they would like...Once I see this being programmed and finished and know it is FOR SURE happening, I will probably buy whatever the limit of shares is...because I cannot see this idea failing.
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AngelCummings
Bambalina can you please make a master emailing list or something to give the Collective who have committed to this updates and times for chats, etc.? That would be awesome :)
Yes, I'd love to do this! If I can actually clear my clogged e-mail on here, I'd love if EVERY person who is "in" sends me an e-mail address where I can reach them.
Can ya do it? Pleeeeease?
B
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Niko-n-Justine
The idea is appealing, but I agree that it would take a very firm plan to pull me away from MFC. There are a lot of legalities involved with this industry, so it would have to be very intricately combed over... but in theory i would be highly interested as well.
Why would we want to "pull you away" from MFC darlin'? You can stay on MFC and do this. We need a bit of your time and we'd hope you come cam for a few hours a couple times a week, but whatever, there is NO NEED for anyone to QUIT anything to be part of this. Feel free to SM and MFC...There is no RULES in that sense on this site...This site is about making money for the girls who are on here...and we ESPECIALLY understand that at the beginning when the traffic is smaller, that women will need to work their good paying places. No problem. We just as that you remember if your an owner, that it is a good idea to also put SOME time in on the new site and help get it rolling.
Legality is not as hard as you think, and as others point out, MFC is a terrible example of legality. A lawyer can tell us if there are potential areas we will run into hot water and what to do about them and we'll fix it...not so hard...
This is an idea unlike any in the past of camming and I think all the women who DON'T participate and are around today, will be terribly sorry someday...But I will not twist any arms because I think finding buyers for 100 shares will really not be hard.
B
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Chat is now finalized to Wednesdays and Sundays on CGU.
I need E-mails for the e-mail list if you haven't given me one yet.
And things are otherwise moving nicely.
B
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Are we chatting tonight? :)
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Bambalina
Chat is now finalized to Wednesdays and Sundays on CGU.
I need E-mails for the e-mail list if you haven't given me one yet.
And things are otherwise moving nicely.
B
Hi Bambalina,
I am interested in joining the collective, I haven't even really started camming yet just marketing myself first, until I can afford to buy the camera. I am currently unemployed and my unemployment is about to run out. My boyfriend is a really good graphic designer if we need help designing the site, logo making that type of thing. How many spots are there left for the first 25?
Thanks,
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I am very interested! I'd love to be apart!
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I would love love love to be a part of this if there is still room.
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I will also be starting at a very well known law school in the fall, though obviously not learned enough to handle any issues currently, hopefully will be one day 'soonish'. Might be of use for this in the future! I tried to send you a pm but I am not sure if it went through. Will try again shortly as I would love to be a part of this.
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IM in too! But quike question..Whats CGU? lol and i send you my email to you here/ just checking
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Ive been camming for about 4 months now and I love it.... And I would also like to be involved with the cam site. Can you tell me where to sign up?
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Soooo absolutely, 100%, DOWN!! :) Please count me in Bambalina :)
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I want to be in, too! :) I've PM'ed my email address to you.
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Hello Ladies,
I am new here to SW. This is ultimately going to be my first post. However I have been on MFC for about 3 months now. I am very interested in this venture and I am completely willing to pledge $100.00 to see a site like this to become a reality. Thanks Ladies!
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I am new to this site and was desparately seeking guidance as a cam girl of 2 years. I would love to be a part of this venture! An absolutle answer to prayers!! $100 investment the way I see it!
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I have found a few programmers who are willing to take on our site, or are interested in working our a deal for source they already own or have written, so we need to start ramping up the chats and e-mail list and really get this rolling.
B
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Interested! New here.. but not new to the web!
Wonderful work thus far! (something I've wanted to do but never had the right means.)
graphic designer/web designer/developer and webcam performer on n off since 2002.
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Well, we chat every Sunday and Wednesday, and anyone who is interested can come and visit. We have a mailing list, and we're working right now on nailing down EXACTLY what the designer needs to know to make the site be what we want it to be.
So, feel free to PM if you want a place in the scheme of things.
B
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I think you should get your girls that send out emails to regulars... send their regulars a survey about what options they like on what cam sites and what options they don't. Get a programmer that kicks ass in flash programing, and has experience with application and streaming live video. Don't cut corners on that and you will kill your competition. What do you know about ppc advertising and seo? Maybe I should get in on this myself. Are you still accepting buy ins for cam girls? Is there an agreement in play?
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Yes, buy-ins are still do-able....
My background (other than camming) is promotion...
Working on agreement and site structure now...
B
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Chat today!!! whoohoooo Can't Wait :P
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I should have got in on that. I get so damn busy. I guess I should get verified eh? lol
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B, how many girls have joined the collective ? You got any dates yet ? Edge of seat stuff ! ( No sarcasm intended !! )
xx