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MFC the future of all cam sites?
It seems more and more cam sites are taking the MFC approach to how their sites are run. It kind of makes me wonder. I know in the past 2 and half years since I haev been camming things have changed a lot. I know they will keep changing though.
I do notice that a lot of guys on MFC if they hear you are on SM or whatever claim they hate SM because of how it is run and does not feel personal (I have no idea why they think this but have heard so many guys say this when I am on mfc trying to find indy customers...) to them like they don't get to know the model. I have had guys on SM hear the MFC token noise and are like "Bb (lol) why are you on MFC that is such a trashy site I hate how that site works.."
Do any of you think the whole MFC approach is going to take over everywhere and that is how camming is going to be for awhile? Girls doing shows in free chat for tips or tip countdowns?
I personally do not think it will happen. Other sites that have adopted this method usually fail because of a different customer base. Cams.com has their tipping option but I don't see a lot of girls saying it is good money etc. Seen it on plenty of other sites. I know now PrivateFeedz is taking on the option of it.
So thoughts anyone?
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number one MFC cant continue......one good lawsuit and he will be done....and it happens everytime.....Number 2 if all camsites worked like MFC ....then why even have different sitse.....each one has different stuff that works for it.....btw Most of my custies have both MFC and SM accounts.....they like MFC but only spend money on SM lmao ....the price per min for Privates are too high they say....but they take me private for an hour on SM....yea think about that.....MFC will settle down after more bullshit ....it has to Mature like all sites......
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There is room for all types of cam sites... MFC, SM, any of them. They don't all have to be the same, but I do think the flexibility of MFC is gonna spread a little more to other sites.
MFC will continue, and continue to work just fine. xvideos.com, redtube.com, porntube.com, etc etc... verification of age to view sexually explicit material is not required by law. The law as it currently stands puts the childrens' parent, guardian, or caretaker (or other responsible party or the child) in the drivers seat on protecting them from explicit materials.
It's been contested a hundred times... lawsuits, legal challenges, etc. The outcome remains the same... freedom of speech prevails, and the responsibility of the parent to monitor their child's internet usage is still the law.
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I think that it will become more about micro-celebrity and individual camgirls/brands, and put more power in the hands of individual performers. Sites will probably remain the primary marketing platform for camgirls, in that they consolidate traffic, but as sex acts and body types become a dime a dozen, there will be real stratification as paying members gravitate not to the girls with the wackiest public show but to girls they actually dig, who make them want to stick around.
For example, look at some of the studio girls on MFC. Their studios are obviously pushing them to follow the same formula. There's not a lot of variety among them. Their camscores might spike, they might even make it into the top 20. But then what happens? They disappear. New ones appear. Rinse, repeat.
Most of the ones that remain popular aren't the ones with the craziest sex acts, though one girl has held on for a pretty long time. They're usually ones with skills at working a cult the personality or pseudo-celebrity. I hate the whole "brand" notion, but they have brands that are unique to them, and they have a following.
I never thought I'd defend MFC because it's pretty lame, but I bank on that site and part of the reason why I bank is because MFC doesn't get in my way. We can shape our profiles the way we like, we can post links, we can integrate our MFC identity with our online content, vids, etc., and we can work whatever strategy we like. And I think the reason MFC doesn't get in the way is because they know that they'll make more money if they leave the camgirls alone.
So that, I think, is the future of camming. As for tips as a source of revenue, I don't think it'll go away as long as it's working. But you have other options, and those options work just as well.
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Lets not even manifest this ladies...Its summer time and we are all struggling..Go the the" Make mfc follow their rule" thred and lets do some thing about it!
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i really dnt get this sudden hate on MFC. m sorry 4 bng selfish but i bank there, tht site is payin my bills n m not bout to mess wit tht.watever u do i hope u not tryna get it closed down!!! if u dnt like the way MFC operates y not leave. jus go work 4 the camsites tht meet yo needs n moral values,simple.
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Ebonyqueen
i really dnt get this sudden hate on MFC. m sorry 4 bng selfish but i bank there, tht site is payin my bills n m not bout to mess wit tht.watever u do i hope u not tryna get it closed down!!! if u dnt like the way MFC operates y not leave. jus go work 4 the camsites tht meet yo needs n moral values,simple.
Amen! That's what I've been saying all along... +1 to respect.
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Ebonyqueen
i really dnt get this sudden hate on MFC. m sorry 4 bng selfish but i bank there, tht site is payin my bills n m not bout to mess wit tht.watever u do i hope u not tryna get it closed down!!! if u dnt like the way MFC operates y not leave. jus go work 4 the camsites tht meet yo needs n moral values,simple.
No one wants to get MFC shut down, and I personally like MFC a lot. I want to see MFC get back to what it USED to be before the girls started running rampant with public shows and started making all the guys on the site cum for free.
If you go watch MFC and scan the rooms for like 2 hours, you will see at least 5 or more insertion/masturbation/lesbian/etc. shows that are outside the rules of MFC which say Nudity is OK, and Hardcore is NOT. On average those free shows will have anywhere from 40-50 guys for the page 2 girls, to 1000+ for the top of the line girls. So it is pretty obvious that we're talking SEVERAL THOUSAND guys in those rooms, who DO NOT TIP or take ANY girl private, and yet they cum in these FREE SHOWS. THOUSANDS of customers that would be FORCED to tip to see anything GOOD, if the rules were followed.
Basic business...it's bad for all of us. Period. So, we can do some things to make MFC adhere to their rules, or just fucking abolish them. Not HAVE rules, and then ignore them.
Remember, every guy that cums in a free show without spending a dime and then goes to sleep with that happy lil smile on his face, DIDN'T tip you.
And I have seen, with my own two eyes, several guys who used to be regulars of girls I worked with, and who USED to tip...in those free show rooms and they aren't tipping...and that is money in the bank that is now GONE.
So tell me free shows are good for this business?
Don't hate MFC...LOVE MFC, but hate the one thing that ruins something great...The free cum shows that fuck it up for everyone...
B
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we dont have to get MFC shut down it will do it to itself
I just seen a kid and a man on a cam.....
and it was a child and they said it was a child
MFC will destory itself from lack of moderation......
courts will decide that Leo lack of control
lack of enforcing rules was on purpose and kill the site.....its happened b4 it will happen again.
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Two of the top token sites are MFC and Chaturbate but for more info it best to use the search functions on the site
Welcome to camming and StripperWeb BB =^y^=
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you should be able to Google it or use the "search" and find out.
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YES
Sorry. It's VERY obvious to me that free chat tip goals is the new way to go. I only did privates for the first 2 months of my camming career then switched into trying a dynamic show with lots of fun and personality.
The days of a camgirl just sitting in front of a computer staring vacantly until someone says something/takes her to private are dwindling....
Even if you DON'T get naked/do cum shows in freechat it is becoming more and more obvious that the way to cam well is to be ENGAGING.
And a show anyone can walk into with boards and streamers and tits and stuff for all is always going to be more fun then a girl sitting and idily waiting for a show.
That being said..for now it's about the site. There are still a lot of private only minimal tips camsites, but ALL the big sites promote the freecam experience. It sells. It also sells even more if you make privates scarce so people have to fight over you on the few days you decide to accept privates for example...
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also....
yes I know thousands of dudes get FREE SHOW in freechat tip goal mode
BUT
I never see girls with very few guys in their room banking. It is VERY rare. The extra dudes are like "cover" for lurkers, and a bunch of people to impress for your tippers. They can also double as chat conversationalists if you train them right.
At the end of the day the lurkers who never pay are just backround numbers that make YOUR room that much more desireable. It's kind of the point. When you do "free" shows you get a few people to pitch in and you do a show for everyone. And that's how you build momentum because people get to see what you can do.
I dunno..the freechat idea makes so much more sense to me. I am way less pissed off by thousands of guys watching me for free over the SM model where a bunch of guys get to drag me into private OUT of my freechat so they can try and get me naked in under 30 seconds....
plus I'm lazy. I don't want to masturbate more than once or twice a day on cam. And privates can be SO demanding!! Every guy wants you to absolutley destroy yourself with a toy!!! It's ridiculous!!!
In freechat my tippers choose. And most of them are respectful enough to ask before they tip if they want extra. And since it's not a private they don't get irritable if I'm not doing exactly.what.they.want.like.a.script. =)
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o0Pepper0o
I am way less pissed off by thousands of guys watching me for free over the SM model where a bunch of guys get to drag me into private OUT of my freechat so they can try and get me naked in under 30 seconds....
And privates can be SO demanding!! Every guy wants you to absolutley destroy yourself with a toy!!! It's ridiculous!!!
This.
The private shows I don't like are the ones where the guy is typing in all caps "TURN OFF THE MUSIC (no music on...wtf?)...LET ME SEE THAT ASS...DILDO...DEEPER...etc." I will actually smile flirtatiously and say "Say please?" LOL. And they usually do. Sorry, but that shit annoys me. I'm not your dog named Spike...I'm a person.
Also, in real life when I'm horny, I don't even use dildos (I only use them when a guy asks for it in private). IRL I use a vibrator while watching porn, have an orgasm, and then I'm good for a while. There's none of this back-to-back masturbation stuff. I really wish more guys who go private would enjoy vibrator play, but I guess everybody wants to see us plowing the pussy hard and deep.
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Welcome to camming and StripperWeb BB =^y^=
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Well I think it's obvious that to be successful a girl has to be engaging and entertaining, but I don't think that has anything to do with per minute sites vs. tipping sites. That's just good practice regardless of what style of site you're on.
My primary site is naked.com, which is truly a combination type site. Some girls only do goal shows, some girls only do private shows, and some girls such as myself do both depending on the day and the demand. I have only been on naked for 4.5 months but I have never had a pay period where I've made more in tips than privates. Sometimes it's about 50-50, but usually I make more in privates. So far this pay period 88% of my earnings have been from privates and guys spying on my privates, and only 12% from free chat tips. Just the other week I had a guy tip me a nice amount and when I asked what he wanted to see he said nothing, he didn't want dozens of guys getting a freebie off of his hard earned money. That's not the first time this has happened, though it's not as common as I wish it would be.
I guess my point is, there are ALWAYS going to be guys who want that one on one attention. There are always going to be fetishists who know they have to go private to have you because if you catered to them in free chat- even for tips- you'd lose a lot of your viewers and potential income. There are always going to be guys who want that gfe that you can't provide while there are 100 other guys in your room. And, there are always going to be guys who like the social hang out environment, the guys who joke amongst themselves as well as the model, the guys who like being a part of this one model's room that resembles a world in its own. And that's okay. So long story short, based on my observation and experiences there will always be room for private based sites as well as tip based sites, and one is not necessarily better or worse than the other.
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Regardless of thread necromancy, this is a really interesting discussion, I think. If there have been new compare and contrast, predict the future of the business threads I haven't noticed them.
IMO, I think that free chat sites and free-to-paid chat sites cater to different types of customers. I think people always want to do more with less, so there will be a trend of guys moving to free chat sites so that they can lurk on other guys' tips and see it for free. I think though, that guys who want personalized interaction will stay on free-to-paid, since there are fewer people there and they have the option of taking you excl to have all your attention.
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this was my fault (comment #10) and whats funny is i think that was ment for another thread and i posted that and bumped it on accident -_-
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IsobelWren
Regardless of thread necromancy, this is a really interesting discussion, I think. If there have been new compare and contrast, predict the future of the business threads I haven't noticed them.
IMO, I think that free chat sites and free-to-paid chat sites cater to different types of customers. I think people always want to do more with less, so there will be a trend of guys moving to free chat sites so that they can lurk on other guys' tips and see it for free. I think though, that guys who want personalized interaction will stay on free-to-paid, since there are fewer people there and they have the option of taking you excl to have all your attention.
Token sites do have private options but its a harder to get guys to do that on token sites i think its a safety thing for them why pay $6 or $8 on a pvt/tru on MFC and not know what the girl is gonna be like or just tip a little here and there and help her get to her goal and u know EXACTLY what ur getting? Althuo some guys hate the fact theres 100s or 1000s of other guys in a free chat room watching a show that only him and a few other guys paid for. Different strokes for different folks.
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^ The thing about doing privates on tip based sites is that a lot of girls will disable the option for guys to go private. So while technically guys do have the option, in practice that isn't always the case. I've never turned off the option to go private but if a girl really wants that goal and those high numbers in her room, she will.
From a customer's perspective, I NEVER ask a guy to do something for me when I tip him. Maybe it's different for me as a full time cam girl but I really just tip if I think someone is handsome or sweet and I just want to make them smile. I'll also tip if the guy is already putting on a show and I like what he's doing, if I don't I go find a different room because I feel almost guilty for watching a show without contributing. When I tip a guy I actually, actively don't want him to do anything sexual because I'm stingy and I don't want a room full of people getting a flash when I'm the only one who's paying for it. Especially when I look at the room count and see I'm the only member in there with tokens so I know for a fact others won't contribute to him even if they like what they see.
From a customer's perspective who happens to be a model herself, I prefer tip based sites *as a customer* because I don't feel the need to pay $x.xx/min to do a show with a guy when I've just spent several hours doing c2c private shows and being the one to receive money from it. I like being able to just hang out with my cam off, and I like the ability to pay guys in free chat for their time and help them reach their goals. But I think it's different for females, as it's really hard to find a girl who'll get naked online for free whereas there are an abundance of guys ready to stroke it for you if you just ask and they want nothing in return.
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Snowy0Star
Token sites do have private options but its a harder to get guys to do that on token sites i think its a safety thing for them why pay $6 or $8 on a pvt/tru on MFC and not know what the girl is gonna be like or just tip a little here and there and help her get to her goal and u know EXACTLY what ur getting? Althuo some guys hate the fact theres 100s or 1000s of other guys in a free chat room watching a show that only him and a few other guys paid for. Different strokes for different folks.
While that's a good point and makes total sense to me, I've had guys before say that they won't take a girl pvt on MFC because they know there's the voyeur option and they want the show to be really pvt. Plus, on free-to-paid sites, lots of girls have rates lower than 6/8 min so there's that.
I also find there's different kinds of guys with the tipping thing. Like, there's guys who want to show off to the other guys, who want to out-tip each other and get into tipping wars and show you how special they are and show the other guys up, "Seeeeee, IIIII can tip her! I'm special and showing off. I make enough money to tip her and she's paying attention to meeeeee. Not you fucks." Then there's the guys who want to show off to the other guys who say like, "Hey guys, tip the lady!" and tip you. Then there are the guys who get mad that others are freeloading off their tips. "IIII paid for you! I want you all to myself!"
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I hope not. Why tip if you get to see someone naked for free? MFC has girls using dildo's in free chat and anyone can sit there and watch. I think in the end sites will lose money if they adapt to that model.
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My two cents.. I think the girls that do the so-called "free shows" are kicking ass... I can't seem to win on MFC, but I respect the girls that can. I mean, yeah, 1200 guys are watching a show that only 20 people paid for, but the girl still made hundreds (or thousands) of dollars for that show. I mean, if I could make what I make now screwing myself once in front of a bunch of freeloaders and a handful of guys who tip, I'd much rather do that than fuck myself 50 times a day for the same amount of money even if every guy I cam with is paying for it. I don't really care about the principal of "freeloaders", I just care about the overall dollar amount I can make in a day. It doesn't matter what site it's on, or if there are zero freeloaders or 1000 of them. I just like being in the place that makes me the most money. And really, that's why we are all here to begin with.
With that being said, if someone wants to sprinkle some magic pixie dust on me to make me dominate MFC, please feel free to do so. :D
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I totally HATE MFc even though I am primarily a free chat model. I make very little off privates..and it's mostly MY doing because I'm picky about who I want to do privates WITH WHEN and HOW. I'd much rather make up my own goal "ice show them jerkin it!" and stick to it then do a private show where there is a 80% chance buddy is all "DO THIS DO THAT HARDER FASTER CAMERA MOVE CLOSE FAR AWAY CATS!" .... ><
But yes, VERY interesting discussion!!!
It's true though, there will always be a market for private chat. But I disagree that the freechat tip way of camming will cripple sites. If you have the models who can entertain it's a goldmine. I love possibly making 80-200 bucks in 3 hours over that much in 6 doing privates and making content. And it never hurts the site. After all, I'm pretty much doing free advertising for them, bringing them traffic to their ads, making them ad revenue as well. Camsites rarely rely on JUST the models to bring in the tokens. =)
Also, if I were to cut up my payouts between privates tips and content, I'd say I make most of my $ in tips followed by content and lastly privates.
I also would like to add lots of girls on MFC [and other token freechat based sites] turn off privates because it's overwhelming.
A lot of guys will try and take you private right after you reach a naked goal, or while you're doing the actual cum show. And MOST of the time you make less $$ [after all, how much is someone gonna pay in private when they've waited for you to get naked and ready for free already?] then if you had stayed in freechat. PLUS whenever you DO get back, your room count obviously takes a hit. I generally refuse to accept privates if I'm already doing my main goal.
I will accept privates though, if my show is ging sloooowwwww and someone wants to take me for one.