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What some strippers think of cam girls
One night recently I was working at a club, when some girl came into the dressing room bitching about money. I webcam on the side and I don't really tell anyone about it. This girl says, "money has been so bad, I think a lot of it is the economy and those stupid webcam girls. They do so much more and guys aren't coming in the club anymore to see us.". Ummmm what??? I looked at her and told her I did webcam too and it's not the same. I was shocked that this girl said this bc I always thought prostitution in the club, bad management, lowering prices, ect. That's why money is bad where I live. Also webcam girls do more?? Um I know a lot of strippers that do everything in the back rooms. I also had another dancer tell me not to do webcam bc she thought it was so much "dirtier". Whatever I wanted to vent that.
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Well, from another perspective, I had a friend who was a stripper. She did hustle extras in the vip, so money was never a complaint unless it was a slow day. The reason why she wasn't too fond of camming was because she looked at it as chump change. ::)
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i hate "discrimination" in the sex industry. we all get so much hate from people who aren't in it that it really makes me sad/mad when people who are in the sex industry talk bad about others in the same industy. i always hear cam girls talking bad about escorts but those are the same cam girls who hate being looked down upon by everyone else :-\
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When I first started dancing, we had a 'massage parlor' on top of the club, and sometimes the ladies would come down to the bar and get ice, and would talk to me because my cousin, auntie etc were prostitutes. I got the same reaction from the dancers OMG you know a prostitute. I was always baffled, we take all our clothes off with everyone to see, our club also used to do girl on girl shows...on stage for everyone to see. And the dancers were gob smacked I talked to a lady who worked upstairs, privately? It's the same industry...I always thought. We have our differences of course. I don't think girls who cam are making it harder for dancers. Variety is the spice of life. But there are always going to be insecure people blaming something else for their issues.
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TeeBaby
Well, from another perspective, I had a friend who was a stripper. She did hustle extras in the vip, so money was never a complaint unless it was a slow day. The reason why she wasn't too fond of camming was because she looked at it as chump change. ::)
There's quite a few camgirls who make a lot more than "chump change". I knew girls in the strip club who sucked dick for $20. Not everyone is cut out to webcam or strip so I wouldn't put other girls down who made more money, and those girls shouldn't put me down if I'm doing it's legal.
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jasmine22
There's quite a few camgirls who make a lot more than "chump change". I knew girls in the strip club who sucked dick for $20. Not everyone is cut out to webcam or strip so I wouldn't put other girls down who made more money, and those girls shouldn't put me down if I'm doing it's legal.
You know what, I let her think that. No point in correcting her. As much as I was fond of her, I wasn't fond of extras in the club, and never did them. So I jumped ship and focused on camming full time. I miss the clubs but I love money, so I decided to do something better for me. Some ladies are great at working in the clubs without extras, and some aren't cut out for the clubs at all. I'm the latter, and I'm glad I chose a better decision for myself.
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h0ttie
i hate "discrimination" in the sex industry. we all get so much hate from people who aren't in it that it really makes me sad/mad when people who are in the sex industry talk bad about others in the same industy. i always hear cam girls talking bad about escorts but those are the same cam girls who hate being looked down upon by everyone else :-\
Yes. Yes. Yes.
This is such a pet peeve of mine. I can't stand talk that trashes other forms of sex work.
But then, I hate talk that trashes any form of sex work.
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TeeBaby
You know what, I let her think that. No point in correcting her. As much as I was fond of her, I wasn't fond of extras in the club, and never did them. So I jumped ship and focused on camming full time. I miss the clubs but I love money, so I decided to do something better for me. Some ladies are great at working in the clubs without extras, and some aren't cut out for the clubs at all. I'm the latter, and I'm glad I chose a better decision for myself.
I think im also about to jump ship with the clubs! It gets old
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Well, camming surely has contributed to slower money in strip clubs, but the things that have REALLY fucked it up are:
Laws focusing on responsibility of the strippers and NOT on the club owners and managers - if the people in charge aren't held responsible, what reason do they have to keep clubs clean? Answer: none.
Oversupply - there are simply too many clubs and strippers and have been for years. Economics 101 will tell you that increased supply --> decreased demand --> decreased prices. Thank you asshole managers, MTV etc.
Largely absent owners and managers. Most clubs these days are basically giant free-for-alls. Obviously that is bad for any business.
Ever-tightening regulations on business expense write-offs. The businessmen who used to drop loads of cash on strippers and write off those entertainment expenses have almost completely vanished. Well, they still come and bring their clients or potential clients, but they generally have to spend their own money now, which severely limits their overall spending.
Skyrocketing sleaze factor and bad reputations. No reputable men want to be seen in or entering/leaving a stripclub anymore.
Catering to the lowest common denominator - this is the fault of management for letting it go on, for essentially running out the older girls who 1) knew how to sell and 2) could help teach the newbies, and for not offering any sort of info or training to new girls. These days a new girl goes to work in a strip club and is essentially sent out with no information and a shitload of rumors, misconceptions and myths - and what does she do? She follows what she thinks she knows, and she makes those rumors, misconceptions and myths into reality.
TOO MUCH INSIDER INFO MADE FREELY AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. Yes, this very forum and others.
The reason I bring these points up is: There are serious parallels between the stripping and camming industries. There are SO MANY ways that stripping has been screwed up, and a lot of those things are happening with camming as well. I would love it if camming weren't ruined the same ways stripping was.
Ya, stripping would still be affected by camming even under the best of circumstances, but there is no replacement for having a live girl on your lap, so if the people who run the stripclubs would run them better, stripping would still be a viable business alternative.
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SupaByoch
Ya, stripping would still be affected by camming even under the best of circumstances, but there is no replacement for having a live girl on your lap, so if the people who run the stripclubs would run them better, stripping would still be a viable business alternative.
Why are a lot of owner/managers so bad at running a business? Ive worked at a lot of clubs its like they dont know what theyre doing or even understand the laws at all(i mean not just choosing to ignore it, managers really didnt understand the law sometimes), Site owners especially the big sites can be that way too, like livejasmin you have to do the 99 cent shows when you start out?? i wouldn't even work on that site just bc of that.
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jasmine22
I think im also about to jump ship with the clubs! It gets old
I'm here with you on that! I do both. Right now I work a few days dancing and a few days camming. It keeps things balanced.
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I worked in a strip club for over 3 years as a bartender/cocktail waitress. My roomate at the time was a dancer and I worked with several other dancers who I considered friends & saw what they put up with on a nightly basis, and I can honestly say that I DO NOT envy their $$. I make good money, and I do so in the comfort of my own home, without random guys groping at me or reduced to giving "extras" in the VIP room. They can judge all they want....I'm perfectly happy where I am ;D
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I just think as women in the adult industry, we all need to just support each other. It does not matter if you are an escort, a stripper, a cam model, or phone sex op. People in society think we are all the same, a bunch of dumb whores lol. So why beat each other up?
I have no clue why a stripper would think we are dirty, or why she would think we steal her her customers lol, but whatever.
We are all pleasing men for money, so all in the same boat. I don't put anyone down in this business. It is sad how much women will beat each other down.
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BustyAmeera
I just think as women in the adult industry, we all need to just support each other. It does not matter if you are an escort, a stripper, a cam model, or phone sex op. People in society think we are all the same, a bunch of dumb whores lol. So why beat each other up?
I have no clue why a stripper would think we are dirty, or why she would think we steal her her customers lol, but whatever.
We are all pleasing men for money, so all in the same boat. I don't put anyone down in this business. It is sad how much women will beat each other down.
Agreed here!
Yes here. I will admit that I always wondered how an escort could do what she does. Also a dancer having men all over her. Then again they can turn around and ask me the same and say wait you masturbate on cam for men? ewww! lol I can understand how we all may have some views of what we would never do in this industry. I honestly can say I've had them myself. But I would never feel that what I do takes away from what they do or vice versa because we cater to all types of men.
There's the man that wouldn't feel looking at a girl on cam is anything fun and may say no if I want to see a nude girl, I'll just go to my strip club and then I can pay for lap dance. Plus who wouldn't want a cold beer while an attractive woman approaches him for a change?
Then there's the guy that will say well a strip club is too busy and loud why get teased when i can just pay an escort for the full thing? or extras at a strip club.
And then there's the cam customer that says well I don't want to get caught at a strip club and I don't want to cheat with an escort so I'll just play online with a cam model. He clears his internet history nightly.
Ohh let's not forget the guys that like phone sex. They may not even own computers or have a cam and spending more money to interact would not be as fun as having their wildest dreams being whispered into their ears.
Regular porn. Well perhaps cam models took abit of this pie. Guys started saying well instead of fast forwarding to a scene and look at some other guy having sex with this woman, I can now get her to say my name when she gets off , and tell her what positions I want her in. So they became the directors to their own personal porn. Of course tube sites still exist for men that like to watch a few clips for free. Plus many porn stars have become cam models.
So all in all there's something for everyone. So now men have a choice as to how they want to spend their nights, afternoons or during that stiff morning wake. Whether's he's at home with no internet, out on the town, at the hotel or by the computer he'll find exactly what he's looking for.
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A dancers opinion of me does not matter. They are not a part of my daily life so I really don't care.
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Who cares?.. just saying...
If I care about what they think, I have to care about what others think too.. so I dont discriminate..
And thats draining..
Better not to think about it.
( but thanks for sharing really, it is interesting)
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Ha! Thanks kind of funny! When I'm in the SC and I tell girls I cam (primarily), they act all awe-struck! Its all, "Oooo.. you do that?! What's that like? How much does it pay? You make THAT much?! Is it easy to get started?!"
Dancers I've met mostly seem intrigued, like it never really occurred to them that women actually do that. They hear stories but have never tried it, themselves. They're never spiteful about it or call it "dirty". Thay think I have the easiest job in the world. I tell the truth, that the money gets slow, like everything else and sometimes I just get burned out and need to change things up. But everyone actually treats me nicer in clubs because of it. I have lots of neat hustle tricks I use from camming, while dancing, too that chicks like to catch on to.
I'm just as much a IRL stripper, as a cam girl, anyway so I guess amongst strippers, I'm just another stirpper but on the interwebs. Like, a cool, foreign cousin that comes to visit sometimes. :)
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LOL Mean while men think we are all hoes, whether you be a stripper, cam girl, hooker, call girl, cam girl.
Men put is all in the bad girl category.
Men can fuck 100 gals & he is the man. But a female with a rep and never had sex is a hoe.
All that judging is letting men or the church which are all ran by men keep us from feeling guilty free from enjoying are own sexuality. To profit off of it instead of men just using us for their own lusty needs.
Hate seeing that gals do this to eachother. I refuse to feel guilt about my curves, my body, my sexuality. If you are smart with biology and science, there are many company who will exploit that for their bottom line too. To feel guilty about earning a living from my sexuality and curves while I have them is a sin to me.
I have been a stripper, call girl, porn star and cam gal.
Strippers dont make as much money because that business model is becoming obsolete. Men are lazy. Why get up go to a club, have your car in the strip clubs parking lot when he can log onto a computer and jack off from the comfort of his home.
Why work in a local strip club where your market is just the men in the surrounding area? Camming mean I have the WHOLE WORLD coming to me on my laptop in my very own place. I dont have to leave the house to make money.
I started to really get my career going and accomplish my goals when I looked at the porn industry as one great big strip club. Applied that mentality and thrived.
Strippers are just girls who haven't figured out that camming is a world wide strip club.
Smooches,
Sam
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Sam38g
Strippers are just girls who haven't figured out that camming is a world wide strip club.
i feel like by saying that ur saying that cam girls are smarter than strippers >:(. everyone has their own reasons for deciding what kind of adult work they want to do. none of us are any smarter/better.
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It is just amazing how critical we can be to each other period in this industry when the "outside world" or people who do not sell "sex" , "sexuality", "fantasy", "adult-Entertainment", for monetary value deem us all the same. Most do anyway. We should all be in this together to make a stronger community regardless if you are pso,camgirl,stripper,escort,adult-model,Dom,porn-star,erotic writer, behind the scene in the field, whatever...we are all selling a sexual fantasy as entertainment or condoning it in some fashion....I like to keep it simple when it needs to be..lol There is no reason we should come to the very few places we have to be ourselves and tear each other down...I mean come on the world does that enough or at-least tries...Just saying......
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HustletteDiva
It is just amazing how critical we can be to each other period in this industry when the "outside world" or people who do not sell "sex" , "sexuality", "fantasy", "adult-Entertainment", for monetary value deem us all the same. Most do anyway. We should all be in this together to make a stronger community regardless if you are pso,camgirl,stripper,escort,adult-model,Dom,porn-star,erotic writer, behind the scene in the field, whatever...we are all selling a sexual fantasy as entertainment or condoning it in some fashion....I like to keep it simple when it needs to be..lol There is no reason we should come to the very few places we have to be ourselves and tear each other down...I mean come on the world does that enough or at-least tries...Just saying......
this is so true...we all get enough shit from the vanilla ppl, i don't understand how some think that one profession is better than the other profession when they are under the same umbrella....i don't look down on escorts for doing what they do, it's not my cup of tea but that doesn't make my job any better than they'res....and the same with rest within the industry...we all take just as much shit from the men and the outside world so why make it even harder by tearing eachother apart?!...just rediculous, i hate how some get a big head and they think that they are better cuz they don't do what another within the industry does..those bitches need to get they're heads out of they're asses!!!
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Fridays
Who cares?.. just saying...
If I care about what they think, I have to care about what others think too.. so I dont discriminate..
And thats draining..
Better not to think about it.
( but thanks for sharing really, it is interesting)
Ok, I didn't post this because I really thought you guys would care about what the dancer thought. I posted this because I thought you would find it interesting and kind of comical. Its interesting to see ignorance and discrimination within our own subculture. I thought it was funny that she really thought that webcam girls were the BIG reason why guys weren't spending money on her. This was one person's opinion, please dont assume other dancers feel this way, but some girls are ignorant or stuckup.
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jasmine22
Why are a lot of owner/managers so bad at running a business? Ive worked at a lot of clubs its like they dont know what theyre doing or even understand the laws at all(i mean not just choosing to ignore it, managers really didnt understand the law sometimes), Site owners especially the big sites can be that way too, like livejasmin you have to do the 99 cent shows when you start out?? i wouldn't even work on that site just bc of that.
In 16yrs in stripclubs, most managers I've seen are just glorified bouncers with zero business training whatsoever. More often than not they're related to or friends with the owners, and they will tend to recruit their friends to work in the club as well, so there is often little or no opposing view amongst management and staff.
I have worked with 2 managers who really knew their stuff, and 1 was a restaurant/bar manager before switching to stripclubs. Obviously he actually knew how to run a business, and more importantly a SERVICE business. The other, I didn't know his background but he was an older guy who clearly knew his stuff and didn't "honey baby sweety" the girls or try to hit on us in any way. He actually didn't like the stripclub but was good at what he did. (side note: ever notice how the managers who "honey baby sweety" the girls a lot are incompetent, patronizing pricks? LOL)
I've worked with maybe a handful more managers who were decent - maybe they didn't have much education or experience but they had common sense and really cared about running things well. That can make a HUGE difference!
I think the mentality of most camsite owners is very similar to that of most stripclub owners. They sure do act similar.
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It surprised me when an escort ‘friend’ of mine blurted out how she thought webcamming was not a job but a lazy way of getting men off by not meeting them in person. I made a joke of it by saying escorting is old skool and wecamming is the new way to go. Not taking my joke or understanding it she felt that webcam girls were taking away her business!
It amazed me how less than a year later she also became a webcam girl on A/W.
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CurvySweet
It amazed me how less than a year later she also became a webcam girl on A/W.
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