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How important is it to a customer that stripclub ads are "real"?
Ok, here's my side... I am a retired "until i can't take the erge anymore" entertainer that is in the process of building an app that advertizes clubs by city with pictures of the actual girls that work at the establishment. No stock models, no employees from 5 years ago, but a current up to date guide of hot girls and where to find them. I believe men want and have the right to do a little club research before he walks in expecting 10's only to find 5.5's swiggin out of a beer bottle in a less than suitable outfit. Maybe I am wrong, but this would save the customers, club owners, and entertainers a lot of time. I am taking all suggestions, and curious... Would you use an app like this?
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I think that's a great idea.
Strip club resources online are shockingly lame. Most websites that "rate" strip clubs involve half a dozen reviews from a bunch of low rent customers, and there's always that token "angry review" thrown in, probably written by some guy who thought it would be fun to fondle all of the girls and then couldn't understand why he was thrown out.
It's pretty much hit or miss when I walk into strip clubs. As someone who goes maybe 5 or 6 times a year, I budget for my visits and it's a total waste of time and money when I go into a club and a girl I remember no longer works there, or I go on the wrong night or at the wrong time and all the girls there are just not my type. I think an app with pics of all the girls currently at every club would be great, maybe with their stage name too. That way, we guys could call up and ask what night Ginger (or whoever) is working. Ginger would make bank, the club would make bank, the customer gets what he wants. Everyone wins.
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Thank you for your response! That is how I see it as well! I will keep you posted throughout the process...
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I would use the ap but it's going to be very difficult for you to pull off. First and foremost, the reason most clubs use stock pix is because most real live strippers don't want to have their picture on the internet. Assuming you get around this stumbling block the next issue is a schedule. Knowing that there are a few 10's working in a club is not the same as knowing when they are there. There are at two clubs I visit regularly that I would not set foot in before a Wednesday or Thursday as there barely any dances and no attractive ones working earlier in the week. Posting schedules on the ap would be helpful but I see this as being very difficult if not impossible to keep accurate.
I wish you the best of luck but these are the two main pitfalls I see ahead of you...
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yoda57us
There are at two clubs I visit regularly that I would not set foot in before a Wednesday or Thursday as there barely any dances and no attractive ones working earlier in the week. Posting schedules on the ap would be helpful but I see this as being very difficult if not impossible to keep accurate.
I think that posting schedules would be nearly impossible for the reasons that you say. I think this app needs to be very simple, and just needs to have the recent photos of each dancer at each club, with their stage names attached. We guys can do the rest ourselves, by just calling the club and asking when whichever girl we like is working.
The biggest impediment will probably be getting dancers to agree to have their photos posted. A lot of them will probably assume that this will allow creepy, stalkerish customers to figure out exactly when and where they're working. But isn't this an issue that management needs to deal with? I mean, if a customer truly is stalking a girl to the extent that she feels unsafe, surely the management can ban that guy from the club. And that sort of thing is going to happen with or without an app. But with the app, we guys can much more easily connect with our favorite stripper, meaning she gets more money and we spend more money on her. I think that the positives of this app will far outweigh the negatives, for everyone involved.
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As mentioned, some of the ladies are not going to want to be 'outed' to family and friends on a web site. Scheduling would be an issue but so would keeping it current as ladies tend to come and go from a particular club. Also, for those not declaring income....they would not want 'proof' that they were actually earning.
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vanna anderson
... advertizes clubs by city with pictures of the actual girls that work at the establishment. No stock models, no employees from 5 years ago, but a current up to date guide of hot girls and where to find them.
That will be difficult to pull off, and keep up to date. You also don't sound like you're a real dancer at all. If you were a real dancer, even a retired dancer, you'd know this:
First of all, good luck with getting dancers to agree to post their pictures publicly, or to provide you with their stage names and schedules. :D We're also not "employees", we're independent contractors. Dancer schedules are not always up to management. For example, at my club we set our own schedules. Call our club and ask when so-and-so is on and they'll tell you they don't know.
Oh and btw, why would we provide you with our information so that you can make money off us?
I smell creep ...
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Raider
As mentioned, some of the ladies are not going to want to be 'outed' to family and friends on a web site. Scheduling would be an issue but so would keeping it current as ladies tend to come and go from a particular club. Also, for those not declaring income....they would not want 'proof' that they were actually earning.
I can think of a couple of solutions.
1) Make it a paid website. Aunt Mae isn't likely to pay to join a stripper website after all. LOL. For example, I would probably pay, say, $4.99 per month to know exactly which girls were working at any given strip club in the U.S. The 60 bucks a year or so I spent on that membership would save me TONS of money on girls that I never really wanted to buy dances from in the first place. And the IRS isn't likely to be able to identify anyone from their photos. They could get into it if they really wanted to but they have bigger fish to fry.
2) Update the website every month. For example, the site would say, "Here are the girls at Joe's Lounge as of April 1st," or whatever. That would be updated May 1st, June 1st, etc. The trick would be developing a system where the clubs would self-update as it would obviously be impossible for one person to keep track of thousands of strip clubs every month.
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I have thought of every hurdle in the industry and will do as much as I can to alleviate these issues. At the very least it will be an app that showcases beautiful women, and gives proper information about the club itself. I will at the minimum update each profile every 30 days, more if I am contacted, and try to keep everyone equally happy and the information up to date.
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Keith, I think we may share a brain lol
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Honestly, any smart-phone friendly app with accurate location, hours and phone numbers would be great. Info on LD prices and the ladies would be a big plus of course. Most of the sites out there now are pretty tough to read on a phone.
Good luck!
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vanna anderson
Keith, I think we may share a brain lol
Great minds think alike ;)
Can't wait to see the clubs down here in Charlotte put into your app. We've got quite a few clubs down here actually for a sleepy Southern city like Charlotte.
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It is true that the IRS has 'bigger fish to fry'. May be different at the state or city level. Myself, I am not willing to pay for membership to site to find out who 'might be' working at a particular club only to find out they weren't there that night or quit right after the latest update to the web site.
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I would like to acknowledge a few statements that were made in poor uneducated taste.
MiaStarr: That will be difficult to pull off, and keep up to date.
My Answer: This is a business being ran, countless hours of marketing and research have been applied to this project.
MiaStarr: You also don't sound like you're a real dancer at all.
My Answer: I may not fit into any of your stereotypical preconceived notions, but I entertained for 5 years and paid for my education as opposed to a habit.
MiaStarr: If you were a real dancer, even a retired dancer, you'd know this:
First of all, good luck with getting dancers to agree to post their pictures publicly, or to provide you with their stage names and schedules.
My Answer: The app I am building may not be for everyone, and I respect that, but plenty of girls understand the importance of building her "brand". I come from Tampa, where advertizement is plentiful and acceptable.
MiaStarr: We're also not "employees", we're independent contractors. Dancer schedules are not always up to management.
My Answer: Being an independent contractor has nothing to do with what I said nor does it hinder you from showcasing yourself. If anything it gives you the full right to do so, and never stopped me from being on the cover of a magazine that was geared towards adult entertainment.
MiaStarr: For example, at my club we set our own schedules. Call our club and ask when so-and-so is on and they'll tell you they don't know.
My Answer: If you actually made a schedule for yourself and treated it as a place of business and not a place to make a couple of bucks and hang out, maybe management would have a better idea of what to tell prospective customers, and you would earn more money.
MiaStarr: Oh and btw, why would we provide you with our information so that you can make money off us?
My Answer: I'm sorry that you don't understand the basic principles of economics. Yes, I would make money off of the business I run, but make no mistake I earn every dollar I make and am not making anything off of you or your existence. Truth is, you might not understand the importance off marketing, but if you ever get a chance, google Victoria's Secret and look at how they put there dollars and sex appeal to work.
MiaStarr: I smell creep ...
My Answer: I'll leave that one alone...
Before you slam a fellow entertainer take a moment to realize that I have been through the same things you have. I think it's sad that I get no kind of congratulations from someone who should be thrilled that I am attempting to bring something good to our community and raise awareness in a proper respectful way. Maybe one day it will make sense to you. Besides, if you have this bad of an attitude while you are at work, maybe it's best that you aren't on my app. I would hate to point any good paying, well mannered gentleman in your direction.
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Oh, and one more thing... the response has been phenomenal. It's obvious that there is not only a need for this, but it also highly anticipated. The men using this app will be your customers, not a hindrance.
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:D Poor, uneducated statements? If my comments were so poor and uneducated then why take such exception to it, if it did not ring the truth? Good luck with your little project.
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Oh, and one more thing...
If I was at all interested in being promoted on your ap, I wouldn't have cried foul, now, would I? ::)
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I think this is fabulous an would love to have an ad on ur app. I'm always looking for new ways to get customers :)
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Twinkle Toes: I will keep you posted. Thank you for your interest!
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How would the pictures submitted be verified that not only it was actually that person but also not a picture of the person from years earlier and verified that the individual was actually working at said club ?
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Raider: I have come up with a verification process that is very full proof, and seems to be successful. I am working with the club managers and building a repor with them as we speak. I have rules for the entertainers and the use of the images. I will contact them for updates and plan to go over the importance of keeping the photos fresh and current. I am truly trying to work with all sides to make this an app work for everyone.
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Lol, i would love a stripclub menu.
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Trem: Thanks hun! I'll keep you posted ;)
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Make the first month free for the dancers That way she's not out anything if it doesn't work for her. Of course if it does work, then she'll likely sign up.
Have an option for the dancer to buy business cards with your app info.
Integrate with GPS so that the user can see which clubs are nearby and view the profiles for the dancers.
Give users the ability to make a list of their favorites. Allow the users to click a button and see when their favorites are on. Have the ability to sort the list by what time they are going on so he can find out which dancers are working now or soon. Use the GPS to show how far away the club is.
Allow the models to post to a newsfeed that will go out to all users who have that model as a favorite. Allow the users to indicate they also want to receive that info as a text. Texting should be done on a per-model basis. I may have 50 favorites, but I only want texts from 2 of them.
When viewing a dancer's webpage, integrate with her twitter feed so that her latest updates show up there. Many dancers will post in their twitter when they are working next.
Automatically process her twitter feed to pull out the time and update her schedule. For example, have some predefined phrases you look for like "I'm working tonight at 9" or "I just got to the club". Parse that and update her schedule. This way when guys sort by time, they'll see her in the list.
Have the ability for users to send mail to a dancer and charge for it. Maybe $1 per message. Split that cost with the dancer. Give the dancer the option to not allow emails sent to her.
That's all I can think of now.
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A club I worked at many years ago (now defunct)actually had several of the then current dancers pose in the ad. I can't remember if they were paid or not but there was a lot of conflict with this because they chose most of the skanky dancers for the ads but most of the more attractive dancers were not. I wasn't chosen for the ads and in hindsight I'm glad because I'd hate years later to find the ad still being used (though the club has been defunct 10 years).