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B- Not sure if you're available for such discussion, but finances aside.... Are you really willing to be an impartial member ? I mean , let's say you have a majority vote on something which only YOU and a couple of others believe to be something very detrimental to the business - do you still go ahead and listen to the majority knowing it will ruin things. I'm being honest when I say , that aspect is something I personally would find very difficult , should it be a company I personally had put the efforts in to kick off.... ( which you are )
I think it might run smoother, with a few top investors who make the final decisions , but perhaps have these decision makers voted in by the smaller investors .... without any authority , the plan otherwise, I believe will face serious problems , ( unless you see yourself as the authority , which if not cleared up beforehand will face it's own can of worms ) .... I love the idea of a completely democratic cam system , where we all become one happy family , but you've been around these boards long enough to know , a happy family we are not . ( some of us like to think we are , which can get dangerous in business ) ...
And that's what's made me bring up the above. Will every 100$ investor really be capable of over ruling your ultimate decisions ?
As always, asked with every best intention
Missy
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I recently watched a show on the history channel that profiled the 60"s. One segment covered the hippies and the movement of communal living. One lady they interviewed was one of 3 people still left in the town they had created and was once inhabited by several hundred. Basically the story said that type of situation usually fails for a variety of reasons. It seems to me that several start up cam sites have trouble keeping enough girls on cam to keep the clients interesed and coming back. If the traffic is slow, girls seem pretty quick to go into survival mode and jump ship. Also having decisions made by people with little experience running a business could be a little scarry. It is always easier to sit back and say how you think things should be done but being responsible to make decisions that affect the livilihood of others is completly different. I have seen forums such as this for affilates and I assume that is one of the main ways to drive traffic??? They seem to get a nice piece of the pie. I really dont know how the payout works for those people and how relevent they are to traffic - i'm just asssuming/guessing. That said, i would love to be associated with a site that has the best intrest of the ladies who work it. I hope i havent offended anyone, this is just what came to mind after reading this. Has anyone seen the business model of Zappos shoes - not exactly communal but they have an unusual (in the tradition sense) way of managing the company that gives all a say in how decisions are made.
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I recently watched a show on the history channel that profiled the 60"s. One segment covered the hippies and the movement of communal living. One lady they interviewed was one of 3 people still left in the town they had created and was once inhabited by several hundred. Basically the story said that type of situation usually fails for a variety of reasons. It seems to me that several start up cam sites have trouble keeping enough girls on cam to keep the clients interesed and coming back. If the traffic is slow, girls seem pretty quick to go into survival mode and jump ship. Also having decisions made by people with little experience running a business could be a little scarry. It is always easier to sit back and say how you think things should be done but being responsible to make decisions that affect the livilihood of others is completly different. I have seen forums such as this for affilates and I assume that is one of the main ways to drive traffic??? They seem to get a nice piece of the pie. I really dont know how the payout works for those people and how relevent they are to traffic - i'm just asssuming/guessing. That said, i would love to be associated with a site that has the best intrest of the ladies who work it. I hope i havent offended anyone, this is just what came to mind after reading this. Has anyone seen the business model of Zappos shoes - not exactly communal but they have an unusual (in the tradition sense) way of managing the company that gives all a say in how decisions are made.
No offense taken at all, and communal and cooperative, while related, are not the same.
For now, From the Wikipedia article I referenced:
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A cooperative (also co-operative or co-op) is a business organization owned and operated by a group of individuals for their mutual benefit. A cooperative is defined by the International Cooperative Alliance's Statement on the Cooperative Identity as "an autonomous association of persons united voluntarily to meet their common economic, social, and cultural needs and aspirations through jointly owned and democratically controlled enterprise". A cooperative may also be defined as a business owned and controlled equally by the people who use its services or by the people who work there. Various aspects regarding cooperative enterprise are the focus of study in the field of cooperative economics.
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A or producer cooperative is a cooperative, that is owned and democratically controlled by its "worker-owners". There are no outside owners in a "pure" workers' cooperative, only the workers own shares of the business...
Now, democracy n business does NOT mean that I cannot buy 5 shares and you buy one (since the whole idea is open and voluntary) and if I vote my 5 votes to your one vote, then so be it.
Thus-far the principles involved have very close agreement on the style and ideals of this cam-site, and at some point once inertia takes control it will be rolling in THAT direction, and that inertia will be very hard to turn aside.
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Are you really willing to be an impartial member?
Absolutely, because it is something I've seen and worked with, that is generally true to such an extent it has never messed with my mind, that when you have 25 people who actively love and work for something, they don't just "take it in a weird direction suddenly" and ruin it. I just honestly don't see it happening. that 13 of those pretty like-minded people will suddenly go against the grain and do things to hurt the whole.
Also, before anyone puts money into escrow, there will be a business plan, put together based on the input of all the potential owners, and if any ONE person truly disagrees with that plan, they are free to form their own cooperative. And just for the record, we have been having chats, of usually 5-8 people when we all get our times and places right, and in several of thse chats, we have NEVER had an argument yet. And the ladies will tell you, that while I am an idea person, I am not by any means the only one putting forth ideas.
So if a clear business plan is followed, there should be very little to argue about.
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The exact make-up, and the mode of governing, are all up for debate. A democratic system is the one I favor, but a "board" that makes operational decisions is also possible, as is a combination of the two.
Nothing is set in stone until the business plan is formalized, the business is made official (either LLC or Incorporation) and the money goes to escrow.
So, come be a part of setting that up. Otherwise it will take the form that those who actively show up and work on it decide.
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I sure see it could work without arguments if we're talking 8-10 girls, but how many girls are you looking at taking on ? It's not that people will go against the grain to ruin the business they've invested in , but rather members of the group will disagree on the correct way to take the business forward, obviously everyone has the ventures best interests at heart , but what's best for the venture will not always be agreed on , relying on the fact you all get along in chat etc doesn't hold much weight ... but like you say, If decisions are split equally between share holders according to their purchase, then there's already a politics for the decision making in place.... And one which seems pretty reasonable to me.
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^I would beg to differ that 1 person can easily manage a site running 100-300 models. Do you have any idea how much time that 1 person would spend just answering customer service and model support emails / calls alone? Plus keeping up on all the backend - I think a lot of people grossly underestimate just how much work is involved in running a business with hundreds of workers and thousands of customers - I should hope there would be hundreds of thousands of customers to support 100-300 girls. Even with all the automation that can be done, I don't see one person handling a site of that size.
Yes, I absolutely know that 1 person can easily manage 100-300 models. Yes, it would be 18 hours a day constantly checking on it- but it would be worth it in the beginning. The back end of a site is not difficult to handle at all when you know what you are doing. I've been doing back-end work for about 5 years now, and have never had any major problems. And yes, especially with the automation it is very easy. What on earth would you have to do? Answer inquiries? - I mean, the site pretty much runs itself except for a few factors.
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Call me negative nancy if you like, but if I thought a GOOD camsite could be launched with $10k or less, I'd have done it ages ago with my own money. For real. I'm not going on anecdotal evidence from running my little amateur indy biz. I have actually done a lot of research and looked into those cheap wholesale camsites, and what I discovered is, to launch a really good camsite and do it RIGHT, it takes quite a bit more than $10k.
Firstly, let's remember that this will start small and grow. There are many different factors here. Will the performers be on a constant stream.. or will they only stream when an appt. is made? Also, you don't have to buy a 'cheap wholesale camsite'. Go to community college and take some courses on web design and development- you too, can create your own camsite after a year in cc. There are so many (free) resources for this on the web- it's ridiculous to not educate yourself on how websites work.
Also, what kind of site are we going for? Will it be like streamate... or will it be small scale and indie? I'm thinking that Bam is setting this up in more of an indie fashion rather than a huge camsite. Which saves A LOT more $$.
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There are so many (free) resources for this on the web- it's ridiculous to not educate yourself on how websites work.
With Red5 out there, I don't know how anyone can think that a cam-site needs to cost tens-of-thousands.
Either way, Red5 programmers are harder to find, but are opensource guys and gals, and Flash programmers are literally a dime a dozen.
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Also, what kind of site are we going for? Will it be like streamate... or will it be small scale and indie? I'm thinking that Bam is setting this up in more of an indie fashion rather than a huge camsite. Which saves A LOT more $$.
I would like to start with a true webcam site, that is HIGHLY scalable. I want it to be BIG BOX and Take on Stream and MFC...in TIME...maybe even 2 years or 4 years...I want it to be profitable for the principles and a few girls we take on, within 6 months.
But I believe that all of this discussion is irrelevant in a sense. What is relevant is making a business plan. What is relevant is getting this to the developer and getting it up and online, and THIS doesn't do that. I mean I love Supa and I love debating and discussing, but really, the women in the chats who have money ready to put in....I am FAR more concerned with what they think, and their questions.
This can easily happen, and that is where I stand, so sitting around with my thumb in my ass, academically discussing the possibility and whether or not the moon will be in the 7th house and I will get the magic 8 ball to say I am approved (which is sometimes how this place feels) is useless to me and time wasting.
I'd MUCH prefer discussing HOW we're going to whoop ass and use our advantages to our benefit.
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Go to community college and take some courses on web design and development- you too, can create your own camsite after a year in cc.
Wow, you must have some great community colleges in your area. I'm 1 year away from getting my degree in web design and I don't have the skills to build a cam site from scratch. That's a little more advanced than what I've been taught so far.
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There are lots of 1 year programs- especially for web design. I didn't mean you can write code in a year, but yes.. you can learn how to write html, css, and the basics of mysql, oracle, and so on. I was being sort of facetious, my apologies.
Add: YES! Open source is a WONDERFUL thing.
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I'm going to stick in the other work' collective thread- it's confusing my simple brain having the discussion in both places, and as I quite like chatgf , I'll be over there :-)
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I agree, although I'll answer stuff in both...
But then, I'm weird...I like the CamGirlNotes guys too, they can come play...they're our allies....that's how I look at it....and while ChatGF can be really "MALE" sometimes, he also has insight, humor, is OBVIOUSLY "on our side", and really wants well for us. Which makes him a rare breed in this business.
I like you all alot, but I like all sorts of opinions from all over the Adult Entertainment spectrum and that includes customers and escorts and strippers and cam site owners and studio assholes and all that...I kinda miss OW...
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I think it's hilarious that some of you keep trying to say people must not know how websites/internet work, and otherwise talk down to us as if we're complete idiots, simply because we disagree with you. (Bambalina being the worst about this) Yes, we have different opinions than you based on OUR EXPERIENCE, so we must be completely ignorant and oblivious. lol
18 hours a day - yeah, good luck finding 1 person willing to do that for a job. Even better luck finding 1 who will do it correctly while putting in that many hours. Not realistic at all.
I also know what a collective is, thanks.
I did NOT bring up the point of 1 person handling a large site. I merely answered BlankStare's claim that 1 person could run a site for 100-300 girls, and I say again: one person will not be able to handle it. Obviously on a collective, the responsibilities should be shared, however this works much better in theory than in practice, ESPECIALLY when you're talking about large groups of people.
A collective operates on very similar principles as a commune. Each member contributes what s/he can and all share the benefits. Bambalina, you point out how your collective is oh so different from a commune, but then describe how it is actually very similar to the way a commune works.
I don't mean this to be antagonistic, really. But since you put it all out in the open you invite critique, so if you can't handle it, then you should take it to your private chats where only the people who agree with you will contribute. Why keep posting it in public if you don't like people disagreeing with you?
Lastly Bamb, you are just way too wordy. It doesn't take 3-4 LONG posts to explain a few points. By writing SO MUCH you are killing your own argument because no one wants to read an explanation that goes on for days. I'm pretty wordy myself but damn girl, you take it to a whole new level times 3! LOL .........(before anyone gets panties wadded, yes that last line is meant to be funny). Anyway, point being, if you cut out about 2/3 of what you're writing, I do believe you'd make your points better, as people would be more inclined to actually read it all the way through :)
>>Added: and yes I do read, but seriously, it's TOO LONG. The excessively long drawn out explanations are just overkill.
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I think it's hilarious that some of you keep trying to say people must not know how websites/internet work, and otherwise talk down to us as if we're complete idiots, simply because we disagree with you. (Bambalina being the worst about this)
Please point out where I did this. Where did I "talk down" to you?
I feel the exact opposite is true. I say I can get a full camsite, and a nice custom one, done for Under $5k. You say, I don't belieive you get a cam site for under $5k and you throw about numbers between $20k and $100k (which even ChatGF, who owns camsites (yes plural) says is WAY WAY WAY overblown..He ownes them and operates them and has business and makes enough money to survive doing this business)...I post where there are SEVERAL camsites commercially available for under $5k, You say, I wouldn't use those camsites they are trash (and I would bet my left tit that you've NEVER examined the code on any of the three camsites I posted as commercially available and WAY less than $5k. so until you do, or have a GOOD developer look them over, you are just blah blah blahing into the the wind)...After all this, you still say that it cannot be done and that if it was you'd have done it. Like you are an absolute authority and know everything about the cost of cam-site programming. So who is talking down to whom?? I am saying I have SEVERAL outlets available, not even including the ones I posted, for CUSTOM camsites for under $5k..Period. Then you say you don't think I'm lying, just maybe a dreamer or pie in the sky...How is that not talking down to me? I have SEVERAL firm offers for camsites for under $5k, and one of the programmers WROTE a top 5 camsite. I'm not saying I could find that, or I might someday have that available to me...I am saying that right now, I have a minimum of 3 custom cam-sites available to me, from reputable programmers, for under $5k.
So, you either need to outright call me liar, at which point talking to you is useless, since I have already backed up my words by showing there are MANY cam-sites available for under $5k, or admit there are things under the sun Supa-byoch doesn't know. But saying I'm a dreamer and pie in the sky and shit, is really fucking condescending and stupid. Because I am saying I have these people in REALITY, ready to program me a cam-site for UNDER $5k. Not $20k or $100k...UNDER $5k...
I'm also sorry to say that I am not saying you don;t know internet and websites because you disagree with me. I'm saying you don;t know nearly as much as you think you do, because you're COMPLETELY wrong and I've proven it, and a cam-site owner has elsewhere agreed that you are wrong, and you just keep saying the same wrong shit over and over again.
Why?
It's wrong. Stop saying it. I proved it wrong already.
You say you believe me and I'm not just lying and scamming and shit, and then say basically that I'm lying and scamming...I have SEVERAL camsites available to me for under $5k, and there is one available on here from a user, that has over 5k users and was a wrking cam-site making money...and that one, turn-key and ready to go, is $10k...so your $20k assertion is madness. Who the hell pays $20k+ (If I am correct you said as much as $100k!!!) for web programming in a recession???
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Yes, we have different opinions than you based on OUR EXPERIENCE, so we must be completely ignorant and oblivious. lol
No, the ignorant and oblivious is that I tell you (and you say you take word at face value) that I have a minimum of 3 good programmers (one who did one of the TOP 5 webcam sites) who are willing to go to work on this TOMORROW, and all for under $5k.
And we still talk about this...WHY?
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18 hours a day - yeah, good luck finding 1 person willing to do that for a job. Even better luck finding 1 who will do it correctly while putting in that many hours. Not realistic at all.
That's not my argument, and I don't know WHY it is still even a part of a thread about a co-op camsite. HOWEVER, I know MANY business owners, in fact MOST I KNOW, put in 16-20 hour days to get their business off the ground, and many work 6 and 7 days per week.
So, while this discussion about one person running a camsite is useless in a thread about a cooperative venture, I do have to say I COMPLETELY disagree that a business owner "putting in that many hours" is unrealistic...It is VERY VERY REALISTIC. I see it happen all the time. And in the restaurant business it is often done even after a business is running for several years. So, it is, again, VERY realistic.
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I also know what a collective is, thanks.
I'm glad, but not every word I write is for the benefit of Supa. MANY people have said things which show they are not sure what cooperative/collective is. Also, when doing something not normally done in the USA, why not define it for everyone? How is that condescending?
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I did NOT bring up the point of 1 person handling a large site. I merely answered BlankStare's claim that 1 person could run a site for 100-300 girls, and I say again: one person will not be able to handle it. Obviously on a collective, the responsibilities should be shared, however this works much better in theory than in practice, ESPECIALLY when you're talking about large groups of people.
But if you look up farming coops and other coops, you will see that a 100 person coop (the MAX number that has been discussed for this venture) is NOT large. It is actually medium and possiblty even on the small end.
I also do think 1 person could handle a cam-site of 100-300, but I don't see why you would ever do that? I just know some incredibly intense sites with THOUSANDS of customers that run with 1-3 workers total. So I know it CAN be done. But this is a thread about co-ops and collectives, so why even go there?
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A collective operates on very similar principles as a commune. Each member contributes what s/he can and all share the benefits. Bambalina, you point out how your collective is oh so different from a commune, but then describe how it is actually very similar to the way a commune works.
I don't know what you mean by that, could you explain that further and illustrate your point with examples please?
I've lived on a commune, and worked in several different collective or cooperative atmospheres in both business and resource management and just plain experimental living. I posted the link to COOPERATIVE from Wikipedia. This describes it VERY well and differs VERY much in my reading from the wikipedia page about communes. So, I am at a loss for what you mean.
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I don't mean this to be antagonistic, really. But since you put it all out in the open you invite critique, so if you can't handle it, then you should take it to your private chats where only the people who agree with you will contribute. Why keep posting it in public if you don't like people disagreeing with you?
I haven't really seen a viable critique. I saw Missy ask some questions, which I strove to answer. I saw some people who obviously have never dealt with a collective/cooperative/communal atmosphere, having lived in USA where everything is pretty much competitive, us being capitalists and all. And then I see you, who haven't critiqued anything but to say that contrary to my experience in REAL LIFE in the REAL WORLD, where I have several cam-sites ready to be built, that I cannot do what I am saying, and that you know better and cam-sites cost $20k-$100k.
Just in case it doesn't register, That ISN'T a critique. It is a statement of fact, which I have already proven COMPLETELY wrong, and which you then poo-pooed.
So I don't believe I have yet ever tried to dodge one legitimate critique.
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Lastly Bamb, you are just way too wordy. It doesn't take 3-4 LONG posts to explain a few points. By writing SO MUCH you are killing your own argument because no one wants to read an explanation that goes on for days. I'm pretty wordy myself but damn girl, you take it to a whole new level times 3! LOL .........(before anyone gets panties wadded, yes that last line is meant to be funny). Anyway, point being, if you cut out about 2/3 of what you're writing, I do believe you'd make your points better, as people would be more inclined to actually read it all the way through :)
>>Added: and yes I do read, but seriously, it's TOO LONG. The excessively long drawn out explanations are just overkill.
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If I was going to invest MY money, I would much rather have someone who over explains how their money is being spent, defines the terms we're using, and truly shares the full prospectus for the investment.
I'm not going to change my writing style, and I don;t mind if folks don't want to read it, and just move on. Because I've had just as many or more people thank me for being so clear and verbose and truly explaining things. It is who I am...It is how I write.
Isn't gonna change either...sorry.
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Here's a few examples as to what a starter 'big box' site would cost:
http://www.lcntechnologies.com/cgi-b...-up/pricing.pl - Livecamnetwork.. $6900 one time or $125/month script/integration/license
http://www.odysseycam.com/packagecomparison.htm - $200/month hosting and $6500 for script/license/integration etc.
http://www.online-webcam.net/pricing.html - $5,000 set up/license/integration ... $99/month hosting
So, 10K is cutting it close- but can surely be done... And if I were starting and running my OWN site.. yes, I would be the FIRST one to work 18 hour days- competently at that.
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YAWN!
Love how Bam disses SM about the 35%. Now if you are depending on the same girls who complain about that 35% but do nothing to market themselves and get the other 40% from the links SM provides for you , equalling 75%. Yet her business model depends upon these girls to do their own marketing.
SM gives us the opportunity to up our own money. I love the extra 40% plus 20% on SM.
Once again the same stuff from Bam put into a different and once again lengthy post. Going on and on with anyone who disagrees with her. Yet Bam thinks she can run a fair business with mulitiple partners.
Bam spends more time writing these post than actual work in my opinion. Cant imagine the replies when it comes to customer service. That is hilarious.
Honestly LMAO....
But what would I know, I already run a successful solo site. Does BaM? Does a girl who doesn't own a site and have actual proof of sales someone you trust? Yes, Bam is good at posting statistics. Oh yeah, I took statistics in college and know you maniputilate them.
Can 10 people, 20 people, 100 people(because male or female makes no difference) all devote the same amount of time and efforts to be equal partners in a business?
Is the porn industry mysogenistic? YES, am I not a female with charms to work those very same men? Yes
Sam
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The only real proof I'm wrong will be making a site WORK, and be successful for the LONG TERM, and doing so for $10k or less. Until that day, all this is just speculation and hot air.
Insisting it can be done over and over, tossing out manipulated numbers and blind projections is just...pointless.
Where is any proof of your business experience to back up your claims? All we have here is talk. Self-proclaimed experience and know-how that has so far been backed up by nothing but talk. What people are really going to invest ANY of their time and money into something setup by someone who presents literally NOTHING (except a lot of talk) to show who they are or what experience they have in ANY business? LOL
Spend some of the time it takes to write out these absurdly long posts on actually making something tangible happen and perhaps the "skeptics" will start to believe :)
As for those cheap pre-packaged camsite deals - I wouldn't touch either of them. One needs something unique to pull customers in the current market. Buying some boxed site that looks like every other camsite out there and offers nothing new in the way of services or offers = waste of time/money. What about this will convince customers to move there from where ever they currently spend their money, or to choose this small site over SM/MFC where there are hundreds of hot chics online at any given time, on familiar "trusted" sites? Outside of loyalty to whatever girls they may follow (which is hardly reliable), not a damn thing. Again I say, you get what you pay for. If I thought this $10k business plan were viable I'd have done it ages ago myself without asking anyone else for $contributions :) But what do I know? I'm just a dumbass jaded sex worker with no business experience or knowledge whatsoever. haha
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All of those I listed have customization ability.. a boxed site would be much, much, much less.
I don't believe anyone here implied you were a stupid sex worker, SupaByoch (but I have a feeling you were speaking mainly to Bam in your last post). But 10k is a viable amount of money to start a site. The rest of your argument is up for debate, but am certainly seeing the points you have brought up. There's a lot that goes into a site- and even extra when it's trying to start around a collective.. the plan has to make sense to all investing parties.
As far as what would bring customers to the site though is easy.. the performers for one- and if the performers are happy- the customers are happy- and I've met many custys (as Im sure you have) that are appalled at the idea that only 30-35% is going to the performer they wish to see. Especially regulars.
I would invest in it after seeing the business plan and model, certainly... nobody should walk into any type of investment with a blind eye. But saying that it cannot be done for 10k is just not realistic.
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thank you, Sam and Supa, for raising the issue I've been wondering about for quite a while now, which is how I could justify expending my time and effort (which is far more valuable to me than a couple hundred bucks) getting involved with a project spear-headed by someone I know absolutely nothing about. I understand that privacy is an important issue, but how could I possibly place my trust in someone who makes a variety of claims without a shred of evidence to back them up. I'm not saying Bambalina is lying, as I know absolutely nothing about her, and this is precisely my problem.
From the Camwealth issue (which I observed from the sidelines) to the MFC petition (which seems to have disappeared as a project, along with the 'letters to Leo') I'm forced to quote... "sound and fury, signifying nothing".
I do think this collective is a wicked idea, and I hope that it succeeds, massively. I have mad respect for a few of the people who's posts I've followed who are involved in the project, with BlankStare being high up on that list, but I can't bring myself to participate in a process led (much to her claims to the contrary) by someone I perceive as seeing herself as the first among equals. My time is too valuable (and sparse) to take that risk.
I really hope I'm wrong, and that the collective creates something that kicks the derriere's of the 35% nonsense sites, but I can't place my faith in a process so clouded by secrecy regarding something as fundamental as who I'd be working with, and what comprises their experience and track record.
But again, I really hope I'm wrong.
Peace
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^^ Thanks Loveshook :) But just to be clear- I am not in any way affiliated or involved with Bambalina's idea... I myself, do not know Bambalina well enough to invest in something without an iron-clad business plan. I'm just merely sticking up for her idea that it can be done for less than 10k, and still be a great business once all the 'how' and 'what-ifs' are figured out.
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^^ Thanks Loveshook :) But just to be clear- I am not in any way affiliated or involved with Bambalina's idea... I myself, do not know Bambalina well enough to invest in something without an iron-clad business plan. I'm just merely sticking up for her idea that it can be done for less than 10k, and still be a great business once all the 'how' and 'what-ifs' are figured out.
No one knows who Bambalina is. "She" is not a camgirl---but rather a "promoter" who has a website that looks like my 12 year old sister decided one afternoon to jump on my Mom's computer and make a website. Mind you, I am talking about her business website.
Bambalina refuses to be verified. Absolutely refuses. NO ONE KNOWS WHO THIS PERSON IS.
This whole idea she is talking about is a waste of breath. I am not sure why I am even wasting my time writing this post. It will never happen. Even with all the money in the world, she is not organized enough to make it happen or neutral enough to ever be able to get along with 99 other people.
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I don't know who Bambalina is, you don't know who she is, but I can't imagine that not one person on this board knows her. I've been here for about 2 years (new acct) and only a handful of ladies here know who I am outside of this name. I absolutely refuse to verify as well.. it doesn't or shouldn't, make me a 'man' or cause speculation as to who I am.
I do agree though.. Bambalina does need to work on being more neutral and not allowing herself to debate every one on every opinion they have. None of us can take on the whole world and part of being in business also means you should be level-headed, honest, knowledgeable, personable, and open to criticism.. negative or otherwise.
I hope that Bambalina, whether she be a cam performer or cam recruiter, succeeds in her endeavor. I'm very interested in seeing how it all plays out.
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I worked twice as hard to get my site up and running. I paid for shoots way before I saw a dime of money.
If Bam can do it for $10,000 then why is she asking us to invest $100?
Why not work your ass off and come up with the money yourself?
As far as opening up a business that is a small amount. I didn't ask for investors, I didn't look for partners. To get ahead in the world means you have to work smarter and harder than anyone else. I NEVER trust anyone who ask me for money to start their own business.
That means they don't want to take the financial risk themselves. HMMMMM!
I started a bbw solo gal site when there was no other bbws even really shooting for anyone. I believed in myself & my product.
If Bam is such a marketing wizard then she wouldn't need our money. I have read where her "webmaster" has flaked on her before here. So why would we trust her ability to find a webmaster capable of doing such a task so cheaply?
I know of 2 different men who have opened up web cam sites. It cost them about $100,000. Still they didn't make the money back from the endeavor.
How many models even if they chipin $100 are going to stick around on a dead network & not make money? Nope, they will go back and work on sites that they do earn on. Why waste time on a site for hours trying to drum up business? When you can be working and making money even if it is at a smaller percentage.
Otherwise we would all be working for start ups & getting the highest percentage they offer to get models on their networks.
Sam
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Sam... are you serious? A lot of companies (especially most out here in the 'real world') take investors.. especially when a larger amount of money is involved, and especially when it's a 'collective' site..or a business with more than one 'owner'. I understand your opposition to Bambalina... but really.
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BlankStare
I don't know who Bambalina is, you don't know who she is, but I can't imagine that not one person on this board knows her.
There is not one person on this board that I am aware of that knows her. Not one.
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^^ Well, if that is true then I see just cause for being suspicious, especially beings Bam has been here since 06. I thought BrownFox knew Bam..?
Sorry, haven't been staying up on the SW politics in a while :D