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^ The "thank you" button is intended for thanking useful posts not rude posts..
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Would starting a Kaiarose fanclub be inappropriate?
Listen, I have been on a hundred forums. I've owned like 5 over the years, modded at like 7 or 8 others...some VERY popular...and one thing I learned, is that if you let it happen, people who act like feral animals, spammers, off-topic ranters, cliques, gangs at war, you name it...will take over and ruin your forum.
This happened on OW back about a year ago, when the first MT and PP quitting and banning and such happened. This place was a damn zoo...And so I applaud Kaiarose for being willing to take it on...and over the last rounds of Smackdown she has laid, I had allowed the people who seem to follow me around to get the best of me, and I lost my composure, and when I did, she gave me an infraction as well. So I am not the happy recipient of favoritism here. She plays fair.
But infractions or no, I am SOOOOOO happy to have people here who care about this becoming what it can truly be...a place where even the most timid can speak...and not fear that bullies will jump down their throat and call them a man, or accuse them of being con artists or whatever...where true debate can happen, but remain civilized.
How refreshing! So if I screw up, gimme the infractions, I'll take em like a big girl, because I called people fuckers and stuff, and it was inappropriate, and while I think I am morally and ethically "right"...I apologize to everyone who had to see me be a jerk. That infraction made me stop and think, and if you read this thread you can see where the cold glass of water hit me in the face. Because Kaiarose is a really really nice person, and if she thought I was being asshole enough to deserve a slap on the wrist, then I better look in the mirror and mellow the fuck out.
You want StripperWeb or Camming Connection to become a really cool place where really awesome creative ideas are shared openly and where we can all truly learn something...remove the fear of posting for those who hate the drama, remove the seriously boring bullshit arguing and back and forth that drives MANY people away from here, and remove the idea that a clique can follow someone around and attack them, and you'll see this board become a haven for information, friendship, and learning...Trust me, I've been here since 2006 and it (in the form of OW) HAS been that, and it surely CAN be again...
Support your moderator, she rocks...
B
PS. I also have to say...She looks GREAT in the black leather corset and 7 inch stilettos...and where DID you get that Black leather police hat!?!
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I personally didn't see what was so rude about suggesting we do something productive rather than continue wasting time on something that clearly isn't going anywhere. That IS what evilchick was saying, after all. Perhaps could've been worded better, but she didn't call everyone who disagreed with her names. ahem.
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Now...In the "How to make Streamate Pay you better" (or whatever the exact name is) thread in OW, I was accused of being a communist and a socialist (which are actually quite different things, so it is kind of funny) because I post collective/cooperative ideals in much of what I say.
The person said I have a problem with people making a profit.
I wanted to respond here in a very different vein than I did there...since there the thread is about whether SM is fair or reasonable in their payment practices, and here is where we are actually discussing the ins and outs of how a cam site SHOULD be run.
See, for me the collective form of running the site has several benefits. First and formost, no-one is going to care about your working environment as much as YOU, and people who are doing the exact same job for the exact same wages as YOU. No-one is going to fight harder for more wages for YOU than OTHER "you's" (so to speak).
There is NO impetus for Streamate or MFC and whoever to make things more fair for you so long as 20,000 girls sign up and Hundreds show up daily online to make 35% or to have the Free Sex Show atmosphere on MFC...Why SHOULD they change? Why should they make it better for you? It is only if you start scattering for the hills and their pocket is hurt, that they will actually fight to make things better and bring you back. And you can be damn sure they will immediately test the waters if that happened and start backsliding as quickly as you let them.
This is a male dominated business, and they have to assert their control, and be "alphas" or we would quickly cracik wise and take the whole thing over.
This is why I wonder about the folks who argue with me and say it cannot be done...why i waste measurable amounts of my life energy arguing with them...because it is so anti-femist and so anti woman that it boggles my mind. I mean, realize, I have NO problem if you don;t like the way ***I*** am doing it. So be it. I may be an idiot and NOT know what I'm doing...But these people do not post alternatives or different ways to make it happen. hthey do not post a BETTER way, they just rip on the way I am suggesting.
This is why I said...I'd love to hear alternate ideas, different ways we women can have cam-sites and steal away the patriarch owed business model and make it OURS. It is our birthright, WE are the content, we are the stars, we are the real deal and we are who these men want to PAY. They want us to get all the money. So why, in so many businesses, porn, escorting, camming, dancing, etc. WHY is it almost exclusively men making the MILLIONS and not women? Sure there are exceptions, but they are few and far between. In general, in adult, for every female Millionaire, there are 20 males...and for every Male millionaire, there are a BUNCH of trafficked women, a bunch of "500 camscore" women, a bunch of underage Philippine girls, a bunch of women who make $500k a year for men, so they can take home $166k...There is a better way, and to accept that we as women "can't do it" and to not even offer suggestions, but only defeatist attitudes, is a shame, really.
Maybe my idea will fail. I admit that. But $100 or $200 to take a shot and SEE...MAYBE we can grab the brass ring. How hard is it for you to take that chance?
So to all those who say it can;t be done. I say, pshaw! It CAN be done, and if there was a more kickass, non-societal, outside the box group of women to do it, I'd like you to show em to me.
B
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Originally Posted by
SupaByoch
I personally didn't see what was so rude about suggesting we do something productive rather than continue wasting time on something that clearly isn't going anywhere. That IS what evilchick was saying, after all. Perhaps could've been worded better, but she didn't call everyone who disagreed with her names. ahem.
Yeah, and I got my infraction for that and took it like a grown up.
But to come into someone's thread and diss them, or their ideas and offer NOTHING better, no ideas, no new evidence, no reality that competes, no debate, no nothing, just being rude and leaving, is excactly what is ruining this forum...
I mean, what good is the post you JUST made? How does it add to a discussion about a cooperative cam-site and the best ways to make that happen? Have any of your posts really presented any ideas which would make a cooperative camsite easier? Have you proposed a better way to do it? Volunteered your services? Come up with wonderful new additions to the site?
No. Basically you have contributed saying that you cannot build a cam-site for under $20k and it will probably cost $100k. Ok, great, we acknowledge that you think that, have already proven again and again that it's wrong. So you then post that you think it cannot be done at ALL for $10k...which we can already figure since you think cam-sites cost $20k. But ok, we acknowledge that Supa-byoch thinks that it cannot be done...noted and done...
Now, do you have anything of substance to add about Cooperative Cam-sites? Do you have any positive contribution to this thread?
If not, PLEASE go make your own and stop posting off-topic stuff in this one.
Thanks,
B
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I appreciate your compliments Bambalina but let's be clear... I'm neutral. I don't like where this thread may be going. Let's try to keep it on topic and move on from things that were said in the past in this thread. From what I've been told, SupaByoch has you on ignore so she can't reply to your quoted post anyway..
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Ok, so another thing.
If you have a cooperative and you LLC it in Nevada, the owners do NOT have to have their names be on the record. So for those who worried about being public. That is NOT the case in Nevada.
Plus we can LLC for under $200.
So it's a very good way to do it. And their form of LLC supports a cooperative concept perfectly. The other choice is a Corporation in Nevada, which also has some serious benefits and is just as cheap generally.
Either allows for much more anonymity than one might think.
B
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Originally Posted by
kaiarose
I appreciate your compliments Bambalina but let's be clear... I'm neutral. I don't like where this thread may be going. Let's try to keep it on topic and move on from things that were said in the past in this thread. From what I've been told, SupaByoch has you on ignore so she can't reply to your quoted post anyway..
Agreed, and as you can see, I am adding copiously to the on topic posts.
I will not insult anyone again, as I told you. And my ass is still sore from my infraction, so I do not doubt your neutrality for a second.
My one question would be, if I am the OP of this thread, and I am posting say 65% of the content here (since it is a report on where the cooperative stands), what is a person DOING here who has me on ignore? Isn't there better uses for her time and effort?
I won't talk to her or about her again...ignore is fine...but does it mean I have to deal with backhanded disses like:
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but she didn't call everyone who disagreed with her names. ahem.
I mean that seems like the worst insult of all...put someone on ignore and then go interrupt their thread and diss them...
So, for me...RIGHT NOW, this moment, I am done and will not call names, attack anyone, respond to this stuff, etc.
But as you can see from my last few posts, that was exactly what I was trying to do anyway...
B
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Hey ladies,
I haven't read though all of these post because I know just like everyone else that Bamb can get lengthy, and it's hard to read. We are working on getting this under control, please realize it is a lengthy rehab. (yes, I'm making a joke) I also realize that the naysayers have probably deterred most of you from reading this thread because it has become drama central. However, I am here to say:
Bambalina rants just show how passionate she is about the collective site. BUT she isn't the only one. I don't post here as much anymore because I am busy with school, and avoid drama like the plague! Twice a week there are only a few of us who show up to the collective chat and work out our ideas for what we want the collective to be. We NEED more of you who want to be a apart (even if you just want to work for the site in the future) to come give us some input.
If you can't make it until later in the evening, just give us a heads up and someone will let you know if they will be on. We are relying upon more then a few headstrong ladies to get this started. okay, that's all I can think to say.
Hope to see you!
x0x
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All I have to say is I did not mean to come off as rude. I have said things like this in other threads too. Everyone was arguing to the extremes. Huge long winded responses from many members. I thought maybe that energy should have been used elsewhere. Oh well, to each their own.
Yeah, I should have worded it differently. I apologize. Anyways I'm out like on Parole with this thread. Sorry again. Thread jack over.
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Hi everyone,
I too haven't read though all the long post for various reasons which some has to do with that I am not a fan of drama and do not really post where there is any.. I try to avoid it.
However, I just wanted to say that I did read that some thought that these ideas were all Bambalina's which is not true a lot of these ideas for the Collective Camsite came from a lot of ladies who had attended the chats and contributed.
Like Bambalina, we come to the chats often and discuss various ideas because we want a place where it will benefit all camgirls like us. Who wouldn't want that?
Come to the chats every Wednesdays and Sundays and participate and input ideas for the kind of site you wish to be apart of.
I look forward to seeing some of you there!
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Since Bambalina is gone now, can we get this thread locked to end the Bambalina drama?
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