FYI - I also learned (this moment) where the 1's came from. In the event you should be reading this, not only did I forward the copy and paste your "friend" sent me to SM, but you can plan on getting it back 10 fold.
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FYI - I also learned (this moment) where the 1's came from. In the event you should be reading this, not only did I forward the copy and paste your "friend" sent me to SM, but you can plan on getting it back 10 fold.
I just quit my studio, and they did promise first page placement. Not worth only getting fucking 20% though. When I asked how they can promise that to all their girls, when hundreds are on, they didn't have an answer for me.
Well, my geo-restrictions have dropped off and my internet is now working fine. (By the way, 4 upload is great you shouldn't need more than that.) When I'm not logged in to a customer account, I drop down to page 3. When I'm logged in to a customer account, I'm on page 1. I signed onto my performer account for a minute to check it out. Strange. I really have no idea what's going on. My placement used to stay very steady and now I'm moving all over the place & placing behind other people who I KNOW are not doing better on that site than I am, but I think they spend a lot more time online than I do. They ride out the crappy times on there and I just sign off.
Maybe they went over to a system kind of like MFC where we have cam scores and just don't know it. I mean, I know we did before but maybe they've changed the criteria and that's making our placements change more often.
I get 1 & 2 star ratings all the time. I mean, there are rare weeks where I don't get them, but I usually have about 2 to 5 total for the week. It's never affected my placement before. To be honest, they might just be telling you that to get to you off their backs. I see people with 2 1/2 and 3 stars on the first and second page sometimes. But who knows, maybe one of their new rules is that 1 star ratings drop you down on the placement fast.
I don't know what happened with your 1 star rating, if a model was messing with you or what, but I'm sorry that it happened to you. All the time I wonder about other models messing with me, because usually when I get a 1 star rating it's from someone who was barely in long enough to rate me and doesn't make any requests. I just wonder who would want to pay me in order to rate me.
Yes, I know who it is. She did it twice. I kinda had a hunch at the time based on what was said in the chat room but the hunch left as quickly as it came and I just shrugged it off and kept going.
I have one regular who logs in twice a month and always leaves 4's no matter how happy he is, I don't know why he does it, he just does. I'm thinking he believes no one and no thing is perfect. Small sacrifice for the amount he spends.
Yeah, I have a guy like that too. I say, as long as they're spending a good amount of money, it's fine. Still feels like a little jab tho. I had a guy doing it with 3 star ratings and banned him tho. Not worth the $12/month I get from him.
Sorry if we're hijacking, h0ttie :( I'll somehow get back on topic by the end of this post.
I'm glad you e-mailed SM about that model. That's total bullshit. In a way, it's good because it means that she feels threatened enough by you to actually spend money on you and a couple ratings isn't gonna affect your overall rating much. So good for you for rocking it. But I hope you DEMANDED that they do something about it. I have actually had better results with SM if I make polite but firm demands. I don't mean with big things. But like with a member who was hardcore fucking with me way back when.
If that was me, I'd demand that they cancel her customer account. When they ban, they do it by IP address. I know because my friend used his account from the house of a friend who had been banned from SM. Within 3 min, the friend's account was shut down.
I wish the rest of us could know who all the model stalkers are so we can avoid them. Luckily I never talk shit about other models in my room. But it seems like when I'm doing really well on the site, getting all 5 star ratings, long shows, etc. I'll get a 1 star rating from some quiet mutha who didn't make any requests, and left after 47 seconds. Suspicious.
So, how about those studios..... haha sorry h0ttie. I get carried away on here.
But really, I do think that the placement has been messed up lately. Maybe they're just experimenting.
Is the only benefit of a studio the placement they can get you? On the threads I've read studios are always spoken of in a negative way so I'm just curious why people sign up with them...are they promising alot and then dont follow through?
Most people sign up without knowing, others are blinded by promises that im sure can be got from hard work aswell.
From recent correspondence from SM about placements, they mention all the normal things but being in a studio isnt mentioned, when directly asked about studio placement they gave a list of things that affect placement, studios werent listed.
Its all abit of a mystery. If studio does affect it somehow I will be badgering them constantly until they give in for better placement for dp members.
This whole thread started b/c h0ttie said she saw on SM that Jayda Diamonde is saying she can give better spots to people who sign up with her studio. So if SM is denying that's true, how can she use SM to advertise something that's false without them having an issue with that? I'm confused I guess. I mean, I'm not naive, I know people lie, but that's a pretty big deal if it's a lie and that's how she's getting girls to give up their money.
On the other hand, if it is actually true (I'm not calling Jayda a liar), then why would SM allow that if the quality of models isn't that great? I'm not saying that they're for sure not great models, I'm just saying that the models who do well on a site should go to the top of the list because they offer good quality, get good ratings, and make money for the site. If they're putting models up on the top who haven't proven themselves and allow them to stay there even if they never prove themselves, then isn't SM losing money? Or are they making money in the long run because of the quantity of models that sign up thru that studio and the cumulative revenue?
I'm pretty sure Jayda is telling the truth. There's some interviews I read that she's given (google it and they'll come up I'm sure) that says she makes like $400,000+/year from SM & her studio. I think that was at least a year ago, too. She's also in the Streamate commercial. She also has SM's biggest and most profitable studio, CamSharks. It's apparently #1 for SM profit. She has ins with Streamate. I don't know why everyone else is like in denial about it.
Joining CamSharks (her studio) might be worth it if you want the promotion and feel like 2-3% is worth it. She only takes 2-3% of what you make. Her husband apparently is a big time marketing guy so he taught Jayda how to do everything she does. I believe she also has a physical studio for her girls (though you don't have to use it obviously). However, I'm sure she has a TON of girls under her studio, so even then, you have to be the best of the best to get all the benefits she gets with her connection to Streamate. Not every girl is going to be on the first page obviously. She knows what she's doing. And no, I am not affiliated with her studio.
Hi, my post doesnt state whether SM denied it or said its true. It could be true and I got a generic response or it could be false and members are being spun a lie.
When it comes down to it the logistics dont add up at all. With the amount of members she may have and the amount of non studio members on the front page, the page would need to be very very long to fit everyone in.
I would email SM support with a direct question "Do Camshark studio members get preferred placement on the 1st page?" and see if you can get a specific response from them.
Alot of speculation in this thread which may let members fall into a studio contract they cant get out of and lose earnings.
Has anyone managed to get any actual facts out of SM yet on the subject?
Havent read the whole thread thoroughly, but if Camsharks only advantage for their % is better placement then members are seriously being ripped off. This can be accomplished for free.
I don't have much to say on this topic, but ponder this -
If you DO sign up with Jayda's studio, you will NEVER be able to get out. Streamate has confirmed this. You can always delete your account and start a fresh one, but they'll use your personal info to trace you back to your old account and will stick you back in her studio (where you belong).
Where does it say that? I don't think that's true. With any studio, you have to wait 1 year til you can sign up normally. However, you could easily just close your account and instantly open a dailypay account and you would, in no way, be affiliated with camsharks or whatever studio you were with before.
I asked Streamate myself via Twitter because I was desperate to leave them and they told me that usually they can get you out of a 'contract' with a studio but CamSharks doesn't work that way. The agreement you sign binds you to them. I re-read it and it said just that.
I know the feeling. I have had a lot of 1's lately. All from "minute men" and it makes me wonder. But you know what? I'm working my ass off and feeding my wallet, while those losers (who spend more time stalking than being cam models) are sitting on their asses spending money to fuel their hate. I get several 5's a day, so I'm not worried about those 1's. I have suspected lately that it's other models. But if those "models" want to waste their time and money on me then I'm flattered.
It only makes me laugh because why aren't these "models" actually working? I have caught on to this recently. What is the point of being a cam model if she spends valuable time watching other models? I see these posts about being a fan of other models and watching them, or hating on a model, or noticing what other models do. Damn, if I only had that kind of time on my hands. Watching other cam girls is creepy anyway. Especially when you are in the same industry, and know she is there for money, yet you don't pay her for her entertainment. That's total disrespect and a slap in the face in my opinion.
If you have time to sit and watch other models, you have time to log your lazy ass online and work. That is my opinion. I think it's funny when one model posts "I'm tired of beggars and people who linger in my room", but then she posts that later in another thread that she is a fan of another model and frequents her free chat. Yeah ok. Then the next week, the same model bitches because she only made 20 bucks in a week. Really? People, quit stalking other models and get WORK!!?? ??
Jayda Diamond was on page 9 last night on the over-all live list. She appeared with the off-line girls. When I checked placement by features (age range then hair color) she was 2 pages behind me. On "mature" that put her on page 4. On "hair color" she was on page 3.
So, no, having a studio or being in her studio, at least last night, does not help placement.
I really find it unlikely that some horney dude who has no social skills will rate you a 1 after showing him what he wont see in his real life otherwise. Without a doubt it's the boyfriend of a camgirl or the sub of one which is stupid because I have been paying VERY close attention lately and through all of the experimenting I have done, I have learned is that just like ratings, having HD, and broadcasting audio, and (or) a fast upload rate does not affect placement. Their system might want to place you in a certain spot but SM is in control ultimately where your cam is placed and they WILL edit your placement if you are not where they think you should be. They have their own secret formula which I suspect is based on either overall monies earned for the site (lifetime on the site) or the difference between time spent on cam to amount of pay recieved per minute. I've said this before and I'll say it again. If you want to know where you stand with SM, check your placement when you are offline and this is the order you will appear online.
When a camgirl sends her bf or her sub to your cam for the purpose of giving you a 1 star rating all it does is give her less money that her guy(s) will have to be spending on her, and it gives us more money to buy extras with.
..and to the girl who is paining over camgirls watching each other, get over it. We all do it, it's a fact of cam life. I personally am more worried about the girl who is oblivious to what is going on around her than I am by being sized up by my competition. If you don't want camgirls knowing what your show is about then quit entertaining in free chat and make them log in and watch your show with the knowledge that the 1 star rating they give you is easily traced back to them. The girls that are doing it will eventually get caught. Eventually a pattern develops and mistakes are made, sorta like putting it in words on a page via IM which is easily copied and pasted.
^I think it's fairly common for jealous insecure girls to get a bf or customer to spend a few bucks on other girls specifically to give them negative ratings. I think it's retarded because the energy spent on hating and trying to sabotage other girls could've been spent on making money for themselves. Dumb dumb dumb.
As for the oblivious thing, I'm guilty of being pretty much oblivious to what other ladies are doing, and I don't think it hurts me at all. Watching other ladies doesn't make me money. Marketing myself and building my own business does, so I'd rather spend my time on that :)
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That would make sense, but I'm totally puzzled why I'm placing so high. I do okay, but not nearly as well as some of you do. I wish I were a top earner, but I'm just not! I can only stand that site for a limited time before logging out.
The only thing that seems to make a difference for me is 1) using the encoder and 2) quality and speed of my net connection. Any time my net has problems I drop out of sight and when it's working well I'm way high. One day the encoder was messing up for me and I used the drop down list and I was way on the back pages.
I really don't understand it. I'm happy I'm up there but no clue why.
Yes, I'm also puzzled by a lot of things. It's already been mentioned that certain camgirls are using their boyfriends and subs to go after other camgirls but there is another issue I am puzzled by and this is with the Asian and Middle Eastern territories. Here is a perfect example:
08/25/11 @ 13:15:57 Premium chat - 1 star.
08/25/11 @ 13:16:51 GOLD - 1 star
Less than 60 seconds later after he exited my Premium chat room he tipped $0.70 gold and left another 1 star rating.
What puzzles me is why he is allowed to leave a 1 star rating on a tip that was sent when he was NOT in my chat room and if he was so unhappy with my show why would he leave a tip after the show?
This is not the first time I have had viewers from this region leave a 1 star rating and I believe it is because they are confused by the ratings system. I honestly believe this viewer meant to compliment me and not hurt me. Do I believe there are camgirls who are viscous enough to send their bf's and subbies to sabotage other girls? Yes I do, especially since it was mentioned to me by two viewers that were in my chat room the very first week I appeared on SM gave me fair warning that certain girls are posting it on their Facebook pages.
Why else do I believe it? because my star ratings didn't take a hit coincidentally until I started posting on this forum. It's not hard to figure out who I am and there are girls who are still badmouthing me and posting nasty nasties based on things that happened TWELVE years ago in the peak (or should I say bottom) of my drinking days. TWELVE YEARS!!
I'm certainly not claiming to be an angel 12 years after the fact, I'm still a very opinionated person who is still very proactive within this industry. Yes, I can be offensive with my sense, sensibilities and non-sensibilities..... But before you start slamming me with 1 star ratings and (or) when you choose to contact SM to say "so and so is bad news" based on something that happened 12 years ago or even yesterday, you need to consider that you aren't just boosting your ego when you do this, and you aren't just hurting me or whatever camgirl you are singling out. The fact is I know YOU are a single parent and I'm SHOCKED that you could stoop so low as to hit another single mom, single female with no safety nets, a handicapped or otherwise ill camgirl who is considered unemployable.. these are HUMAN BEINGS that are earning $650 or $800 or even $1000 a week, this is what she depends on to feed the children daddy isn't feeding, to shoe the feet daddy isn't shoeing, to clothe the backs and purchase school supplies that daddy is otherwise not available to help pay for. These are women who, just like you, are without safety nets and depend on their income to keep a roof over their heads and pay utilities. Monies are being used to pay for parts of their lives that none of you know about like funerals, hospital bills, and family members who are stricken with illness or injury and are unable to work. I don't know too many camgirls who are living a high life. Nor do I know any camgirl who wouldn't rather be doing something else if she had alternatives. The fact is we are all here for our own reasons and you don't know what those reasons are.
YOU can bad mouth me all you want. You can do whatever you can in your power to make me appear to be the devil with the face of the Virgin Mary it's all in fair play but when you start thinking that forcing the camgirl you hate so much into homelessness, forcing her child, children and (or) family into homelessness then there is something seriously wrong with your thinking and you deserve what karma has in store for you.
Ok so (insert confused moment of silence here) at some point I (or someone else) called you a "bitch" or otherwise offended you in a way that insulted your integrity or hurt your ego or maybe even what small amount of feelings you may possess were bruised, you didnt REALLY lose anything over it but... this is an acceptable reason to go after someones ability to survive? You are willing to send her child to the streets? Seriously?
You just better turn around and look behind you because Karma is about ready to take a whack at you sweety, and when it happens just know you set it up yourself. At some point, every camgirl you have ever hurt with your malicious actions will be looking on as you take YOUR turn with disgruntlement and unfairness.