they used to but I have been on the site for awhile I will never go back to them
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I'm so upset they really shouldn't take money from the model for chargebacks. I just got a $47 chargeback for a show I did this weekend with a guy who was being so demanding. I can't believe I did all that work for nothing.
I just signed up for naked... I got so tired of all the studio girls in livejasmin!
A few questions:
I used my social security card and passport to avoid the dating site thing (my passport has my old address on it). Is it still a problem on the site?
Are headphones allowed? I hate talking to customers out loud and usually just IM in mute. The no music rule is going to kill me!
I just signed up for naked... I got so tired of all the studio girls in livejasmin!
A few questions:
I used my social security card and passport to avoid the dating site thing (my passport has my old address on it). Is it still a problem on the site?
Are headphones allowed? I hate talking to customers out loud and usually just IM in mute. The no music rule is going to kill me!
What problem darling ? do you mean being linked to a dating site? Regardless of your location you will always get guys asking for escorting services/dating. I am not in US and guys keep PM me saying that they are up to travel or they are willing to cover my travel expenses, I just ignore them.
Yes headphones are ok.
Every once in a while, I'll be tipped by the mlv or fl guys, but never ever do they go private.
Ok I got my first chargeback. Sadly it was the highest check I had there since the fucked up summer slump. Amount is $76 fucking dollars. Really? Now get this you can actually see the name of the member and also the date.
The date didn't match up but I've seen that member tip or do privates before.
Remember the name that shows up in the room isn't the same name the acct is under. So when someone tips you check your stats to see their name. This guy could have 100 different names but his acct will link back to the original.
Do no shows for member : horni13 (remember this is not his name in the room but you'll see his name after he tips under your transaction history)
It also comes up with a reason : FRAUD.
So glad I hit up MFC today and made $210 because well it's nice to know what you work for will be there in the morning.
And people wonder why I don't show my face. Could you imagine doing a show , being recorded and then plastered up on some site where he makes money off of you? Then of course it comes down to fraud? Pfft!
I'm pissed but I'll make it up elsewhere. After my fun filled few hrs on mfc I'm actually not as pissed off as I thought I would be. Still I thought hopefully it's something like $18 or $20 but 76? That's almost $100 dollars!!! .
I think I'll also start refusing tips and privates from members I don't know. I used to be pissed that it was always the same members tipping but you know now I'm not fazed. Members that have always been trusted and down to earth are far better than some new guy coming in and fucking up my check. So for now . No new members for me. If I don't know him I'm rejecting and refusing privates. Can't afford to wonder if I'll be paid for the work I'm doing. **Sigh**
hmm actually I'm wondering if this is someone I've cammed with before like a regular. Wouldn't it be suprising how many regs have been scamming this whole time yet we didn't know because those amounts were covered in the past? lol
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I'm fairly certain they are. I've seen this guy before but I don't recall chargebacks because we never had to deal with them. So maybe he's been scamming this whole time and I'm all excited to see an asshole that is coming into my room with stolen credit cards.
Actually my new method for privates will be to accept private . End it within 2 seconds. Check my transaction statement to see the real acct name. If it's a guy that does fraud then I'll know he'll be booted by me and I didn't get naked so perfect. If not then I'll go back in free chat play dumb like" not sure why that happened" and have him take me private again. lol Annoying but seems like the only way to protect myself is to well... protect myself.
Actually the date is wrong but it was something last month in Aug. I found the date and time and even the private that took place. So I think I know who this is. Also the guy tipped me on top of my private as well. So he claimed fraud I think after the show which we already know is a scam buyers remores "blah blah I shouldn't have to pay to see naked women" mind shit. Now wouldn't it be wise if the site made sure if someone picks a name that can't go changing it?
I remember back on ifriends the same guy that scammed would be back on the site week after week. You'd see him but there was usually a note by his name as a red mark. Also Ifriends had a note section where anytime a guy popped in your room you knew exactly what his behavior was like. So it was perfect. Notes were at the ready so if someone was a time waster you already had dates and times of when he showed up so you could just block him. The guys that had specific fetish desires were already noted.
I only had 2 charge back issues on Ifriends. One was a guy clearly hit with D for declined status sitting in a private with me chatting. He automatically got booted so no worries there. The other guy would complain about getting charged an extra minute or two. This was the time when all cam sites worked on billing in full minute increments which was always more money for the model and not getting bullshit " .32 wierd numbers for voyers or partial pennies on the dollar privates . Since everything billed in full minutes a guy popping in for 30 sec still had to pay for that whole minute anyways. **Sigh** Good times lol
Anyways sorry didn't mean to derail in ghost of cammers past and what not but this is going to be extra work to play charge hunter.
Thank you for posting, cherry. Sharing this information helps all of us, new cammers and veterans.
Laurie I remember that the email informing about the chargebacks shit said they will apply not just for fraud but also dissatisfied clients would be able to get their money back . I don't think that they are blocking dissatisfied guys.
Cherry I am so sorry. I've heard many girls complaining on cam about the chargebacks this week and the week before. Just wondering how much are getting deducted the girls who make $ 1000 or more per day and are always in the top 5?
Dissatisfied after they parked it in free chat for 30 minutes then blow their load on cam in front of me. I'm sure they are very dissatisfied. smh
And that contest. I'm guessing they are at the point of no return and are determined to keep it for fear that the top earners will leave? Like others have pointed out, probably the impetus for the change in chargeback policy.
Ooh they make me mad, especially when hard working girls are blindsided, but they walk away brushing dust off their shoulders.
Wow I think I just became a mind reader just now. Sometimes you see something coming because fucked up people tend to show their hand early..
I copied my entire chat in private with this member. I didn't do this with anyone else but there was something he said when he took me private that just didn't feel kosher.
I'm contacting naked NOW.
THIS horni13 bastard I have the entire chat saved in my email. Go fucking figure . It's the one guy that expected to pull some bullshit and yup it was him.
Ok so I contacted naked and the guy on the phone was helpful. His tip is if anything seems suspicious just contact him.
So he looked up the transaction for me and it was 100% fraud.
The guy said this in the private " horni13: oh yes now thats worth my credits"
Obviously he was using a stolen card.
Forget what I said earlier about stopping a private and changing etc. I'm not breaking my neck. I'm going to only accept funds from members I know. Anyone else is getting ignored or booted. Privates will also be on the same platform. I don't know you? I could care less about doing anything with you. I understand "increase earnings" but I can't work for free and hope for the best. It's not cost effective. If I want to increase my earnings then it's going to be working on another site.
Coming back out of hiding for this on (hey y'all, missed you!).
I ALSO logged in today to see three chargebacks. Together they added up to a rather large amount. The dates of the chargebacks were one on 9/4 and two on 9/5, although I haven't been live on naked since 9/2. None of the names were familiar to me. I am very good with remembering names BUT since these guys can change their name at will it's kind of irrelevant.
I also called support for clarification and gave the guy a piece of my mind. He essentially said it was all fraud and that the guys who committed fraud would have their accounts closed. BUT, there is nothing stopping them from signing up with a new account and doing it all over again.
I expressed concern that I have NO idea of knowing who is committed fraud, so how can I as a model protect myself from this? He said if a guy changes his sn a lot, it is most likely fraud and to report it. (I don't know that this is always true; I have one reg with a bizarre non-nude fetish who changes his name all the time but has never done a cb with me even though he tips and does shows at least once a week). Even if this is true, unless a guy says, "Oh, this is blah blah blah I changed my SN" how are we supposed to know they have another username? He also said that if a guy takes you private and tells you you can do whatever or even watch tv it's probably fraud and to report it.
Not for nothing, and I told him this, but I ALWAYS work in my shows, and the site can check my logs and past private video feed to prove it. So once again, I have no way of knowing who's committing fraud. He did say that all of my cbs have been due to cc fraud and not "unsatisfied customer reports" but who is to say the guys are being honest?
I asked the cs guy if he worked for free? He said no, of course not. I told him I don't like working for free either, and I want to know what naked plans to do to protect their models from this. He basically said that when they started giving models 50% (didn't we always get 50%? That's what I was making a year ago, WITHOUT cbs), "problems" started happening and the site started losing money from cbs [I guess some models were in cahoots with members since they were getting paid anyway] which is why they are passing the cbs on to us. He also said that a lot of sites give a lower %, as low as 30%, so naked is better on that front.
I told him NO, because the 50% I am making on naked is NOT guaranteed so it's not necessarily more. 30% of $100 is more than 50% of $100 that nets you $0 because of a chargeback. I also explained that this is a degrading job, I am masturbating for strangers, risking getting pirated and uploaded to tube sites, and if I am going to accept this risk I need there to be a reward. I asked if the site will consider doing what some sites do, which is offering the model a slightly lower % with chargeback protection, or a slightly higher % without chargeback protection. He said that is a good idea and he will pass it along.
I also told him that I know of many girls who are dissatisfied with these chargebacks and are going to start leaving naked to cam on other sites and bringing their traffic elsewhere, which is going to lose naked money. He agreed. I for one (and I told him this) cam on another site where I am making 70% AND am protected from chargebacks. If I meet a brand new guy on twitter who wants to do a show with me, which site am I going to refer him to? Obviously not naked. The guy admitted that he knows models are dissatisfied and once again said he'll pass it along to whoever.
One more thing: double check your chargebacks, as I had one that duplicated and would have been deducted from my account twice had I not caught it. Basically I got a cb on 7/3 which was deducted, then on 8/3 I saw the exact same amount was deducted from the same user. I called, they looked into it, saw that the duplicate cb was an error on their part, and refunded me for the duplicate cb.
Okay, that's all. (going back into hibernation now)
Thank you Courtney for everything you did, and for coming out of hibernation to post here. I miss you and hope you are well.
Not surprising, they have a curious attitude about fraud. Industry standard, I guess. If the models were in on the fraud, they just decide on cb for everyone instead of getting rid of the fraudsters? Obviously they need the top earners desperately.
Hey Courtney darling , we all have missed you ! Thanks for your post.
I don't think that naked is longer worth it. As you said the 50% cut can go as low as a 20% after chargebacks and I can't deal with the idea that those guys are getting free shows and if they like it,then they will come back with other fraudulent card.
What a coincidence that they implemented chargebacks short time after launching the new contest prizes.... I wasn't born yesterday !
The thing that bugs me most about this is the sloppy, unprofessional way they seem to be handling the fraud cases.
What prevents them from doing as CCBill does and blocking their SSN/Name/Address for LIFE?
Once you have an unpaid bill with CCBill you are done, period. There is no way to sign up again no matter how many cards, addresses or accounts you try to use.
Hi all, I just had my first week on Naked, and I'm pretty happy (LJ has been SHIT for me lately). It does take a lot of time and patience on this site, though. The traffic seems to just trickle in and the tips are soooooooo slow to begin
I make more money when a friend comes along (my husband or my friend) but I remember seeing that they also have to show proof of age, etc. Nobody has said anything about it yet, but I have NO IDEA how to get them 'approved'
Also- I've noticed through some creeping that girls on the front page have a lot more traffic (naturally) but I don't know what the requirements are to get there. Any help?
Happy hustling, ladies! We got this! As I learned while stripping.. it only takes one guy to turn your entire day around