"Porn star"...totally just gave a free sex show. I most def. saw vagina and cock. Report anyone?!
They seriously need to NOT favor performers.
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"Porn star"...totally just gave a free sex show. I most def. saw vagina and cock. Report anyone?!
They seriously need to NOT favor performers.
She's on this board. And while her way may not be for everyone I don't think she breaks the rules (and yes I have watched her).
Yes she pushes the envelope (covering her crotch with her hand, dildos, etc) but its not breaking the rules. She has even said she's asked SM and they approve.
Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
If you'll notice my avatar (located directly to the left of this post), you'll find I am the officially appointed Cam Police, and I take the reports from Cam Girls up in other Cam Girls business very seriously.
Do not, I repeat, do NOT even consider how you could have been using the time spent watching her show and the time spent making this post to get on your own cam and do your own damn thing.
I need people to report these very serious Cam Violations, because I'm off doing MY own thing and making $$.
8)
I saw no covering, and I don't care if she's on this board or not ;)
I don't grass, I was raised not to grass, for right or wrong, I was raised not to grass, and while I don't always agree with this sentiment, it's something instilled within ! Unless someone is being seriously harmed , ( and by that I mean , kids , disabled, elderly or animals ) , I will always instinctively turn a blind eye.
I can to some extent understand those wanting to report something like this , at the end of the day it directly affects our industry and lowers the bar , however personally I see little point . It's like the people who put fly trap sugar bowls in their gardens . I've never really understood it, do they really think killing a handful of flies is going to make any difference to the general fly population in this world, or even in their garden ....nope !
Let the flies fly I say !
Missy x
OP there are soooo many girls breaking the rules. If you contacted SM for every single offense I'm pretty sure you could be sending them an endless stream of screen captures. They know what's going on.
They don't police their site. There is a reason for that.
This whole policing thing is getting so out of hand. I keep waiting to see my cam name in one of these threads.
"Noa just said she had to go pee. THAT WAS TOO MUCH INFORMATION."
"Noa's bra doesn't match her panties. This lack of professionalism is RUINING THE INDUSTRY."
"Noa said she was taking a 15-minute break but clearly took an 18-minute break. WHEN WILL THE LIES STOP?"
i find it really fucking annoying - last night i was watching a girl on streamate totally naked doing a spanking show and blowing a dildo in public chat. in the first row.
but i try not to lose sleep at night over it. clearly streamate isn't.
Posting her name is only going to result in more traffic for her.....don't wanna start a fight lol, I'm just saying.
Giving away too much works for VERY few... I remember watching some gal spitting and gagging on her dildo during her countdown. She was asking 300 GOld to do the show..No one tipping. No need to explain why.
Perfect. The new theme to a good portion of the threads... now that the verified girls vs. unverified camgirls drama is over... is the "cam police" vs. the people who mind their own goddamn business.
Let me sum up what I've been reading in all the posts on this topic so we can get back to something constructive/ informative. (Apparently I had a hand in derailing us, so let me help us get back on track.) If you're looking at another model's page, you're lazy and should be working more, you're creepy for watching another girl, you're just like a guy with a sticky penis in his hand, and you're obviously just jealous. That's one side's opinion, being stated as fact and summed up as: too much policing and not enough working.
Cam models put themselves out there and are going to be noticed. That's our goal, right? To get noticed so we can make money? Is it so surprising that other models notice us as well? And is it so surprising that some of us take issue with things others are doing? So sometimes we post about when maybe we should've just kept it to ourselves. Well, when you find a place where you feel like it's safe to post online, then I think it's natural to let things get away from you sometimes. Is it so necessary to try to make other people feel bad about themselves by telling them that they're creepy, rude, lazy, etc. just because they noticed another model and are curious about something that model is doing or has an issue with another model breaking rules? I think it's natural to be upset about others breaking rules when you're not breaking them. People get upset when others play favorites or when we see an injustice or when we feel like we're being good and others are getting away with being bad. It's just not socially acceptable in all circles to discuss this.
I'm sorry; I promised myself I wouldn't get involved in "drama" on this site, but I think everyone is being a bit dramatic about this whole thing. There are several people who are posting about other models on here, but I won't speak for everyone, I'll just speak for myself. I will NOT be posting about other models anymore b/c it obviously creates a bunch of unnecessary drama, but I do NOT feel morally inferior to you because I watch other models' pages, and I am not ashamed that I notice when other models tell feeble lies to their customers or break the cam site's rules. From what I've been reading, it's been deemed inappropriate to talk about it in this forum, and if I want to remain a member of this forum without being criticized, I need to conform to what's been deemed acceptable. I can accept that. It's called a social contract.
However, I think that telling people that they're doing too much "policing" and not enough working is unfair and dramatic. No one has any idea how hard anyone else works. No one has any idea what others' intentions are for doing what they do. And playing these posts up to be criticisms of something as minor as someone mismatched lingerie is nothing but drama-making.
Come on ladies, we're all better than this. I've seen a lot of people help each other on this forum and it is disheartening when I see people trying to demean one another and when I see people taking sides on a debate which doesn't really need to happen in the first place. It would be an interesting debate, but it doesn't seem like it's going in a constructive direction. If I'm wrong, ignore me. I don't care to tell anyone what to do or what to say. That's not who I am.
This is the adult industry, unfortunately it's a little shady and highly fueled on profits. Money talks, and people will turn their heads the other way if that green is rolling in. The site owners will do it, the talent will do it, everyone whos getting a cut is willing to break the rules to get money. That's just how it is is. I try to look at the girls who are doing the public shows and use it as an edge for me. With out being a snob and putting down models who choose to do public shows i market myself when im on cam as if my shit is worth more and you wont see me doing somethings in public because those are just saved for group/private shows. The broke idiots get mad but thats not who im there for...the guys who spend money get it, and even don't want me to show anything in free for everyone else to see. you just gotta train your room to how you want them to treat you and what your private parts are worth. you just gotta run your business model the best that you can, and if competitors come along and threaten your model because they're doing something that probably wont but might potentially affect you, then the only thing you can do is change your model. you cant change what other people are doing, and you know how these sites care so much about what we say. Stop snitching though. thats lame. if it bothers you that much email them, stop singling people out and putting them on blast. We should have a sense of camaraderie here. you don't know this person or why they're doing what they're doing or their lives and whats going on behind the camera. why try to fuck with people's livelihoods. maybe this girls got 4,5 kids and shes doing whatever she can to feed them. maybe not, probably not...either way, it's not our business. All I know is if I ever got my account closed because a buncha cam girls made a thread about me and started putting me on blast, regardless if what i was doing was right or wrong, I'd do everything in my power to hurt your money in any way possible =)
^I find your post interesting, because I don't often think about WHY other girls are doing what they do. I guess, whenever I see someone doing all that stuff in free chat, I just get upset because I wonder how many guys might be paying me if they weren't sitting in that girl's room watching for free. If they can get it for free, why pay? I've also thought that maybe they just haven't figured out that doing this isn't going to get them more money (at least on SM, where I haven't seen all that many guys tip for nudity/sex acts in free chat, tho it's probably quite different on MFC.) But I guess I hadn't thought about these models doing this because they're trying to support themselves/families. I guess I always think that they're not going to make money off it, so it's only hurting them and others. But what do I know? Maybe they really are making money off it and I just don't know about it. Interesting point to make about their motivations. I mean, their motivations are not for me to know/judge, but I hadn't thought much about it until you made that point.
Also interesting and probably true. Any guys who are lurking/ searching for her, will be more likely to go to her room to try to see this "free sex show."Quote:
Originally Posted by neliana
This forum is confusing. I see so many threads and posts about how AWFUL it is to see camgirls doing explicit stuff in their free chat and how it's ruining the webcam industry and turning paying customers into cheap beggars. Then someone posts a thread basically saying the same thing and everyone jumps down her throat calling her a snitch and raging about the CAM POLICE!!
Make up your minds, people...
Everyone is not in favor of *free* shows, but it happens. It happens far too often and there's really nothing anyone can do about it unless it literally breaks the law. I think the reason why everyone is annoyed about *~cam police*~ threads now is because lately, way too many girls have been caring about what other cam girls are or are not doing. There's really no way or no reason to "fix" what other cam girls do or don't do, and not much of a reason to talk about it because it doesn't help anything. It only makes other cam girls mad or annoyed. I personally find it funny and/or informative, but I know a lot of other girls get uncontrollably infuriated by it, so its better to just not talk about what so-and-so did at all, IMO.
Re: Smurfette's post: I don't think that's inconsistency. I think that's just competing perspectives and opinions.
I've got no problem with people expressing concern over what's going on in public rooms. But I, and others, have said for a while that it's a slippery slope once you start singling out individual performers because you don't agree with how they do things. It sets a bad precedent.
Some think that public shows are hurting camming. That's valid. I don't share that belief - I just think it's poor business strategy since it completely undermines the user's motivation to pay that particular performer. But I don't believe users are just looking for nakedness and dildo shows. There are several top performers on MFC who never get naked in public and seriously bank. And... what xfatrabbitx said. For every public show, your unwillingness to do the same can be a profitable edge.
thanks. i'm sure whatever shes doing, shes doing it for a reason. no one gives free shows in public because they're just really big whores. it's like the whole mfc debate when people ask why on earth would a girl do a show in public chat when there's 1000 people watching and only a handful tipping. Because it's worth it to them. Yeah they'res 950 freeloaders who havent contributed shit and are jacking off for free, but ole girl just made 500 dollars for 1 sex show, which would have taken a few hours to make in privates. And out of those 950 freeloaders, some will come back with money...some will move on to next girl doing free show. is it right? no, because it breaks the rules... but we're all just here trying to get money. i wish something could be done about it, but like you said about the social contracts here and following the normal standards, sadly...this has become our normal standards for this industry. that's every industry though, the more saturated it gets, prices will go down and competition will get more fierce. I just think people should stop complaining and trying to take down others and just need to up their game. Being cute with big tits and having a pussy that can take all kinds of pounding isn't all that it takes to be a camgirl anymore. It's a craft that you gotta master so that it shouldn't even matter what other girls are doing. Either way, the policing threads don't bother me that much, they're a lil funny how dramatic they get it. I just think threads complaining about the industry, rule breaking, how to combat it..etc are okay...but threads just singling out a hard working girl who hasn't come on the forum and made her work routine public for others to scrutinize is just kind of bogus and can have consequences on a girl. Its like the mfc model that was pretty much mobbed and hounded down on all the camgirl forums and now shes out of a job (which was probably her sole income). Yeah what she was doing was wrong, and in the long run it was her fault cuz she didnt stop after being warned, but like damn man. that's harsh, shes gotta remap out her whole life and probably struggle for a while. does that really make you feel good, did your earnings go up?
i get doing a public show on mfc when a handful of people are tipping well and you're making decent money off of it. if i'm making good money in tips i don't care how many freeloaders there are.
i don't understand doing a full on free show for nothing, especially on a site like streamate where you're one of only a handful of girls who can get away with showing pussy in free in the first place with no fear of getting suspended. especially when you have over 100 guys in your room and none are tipping and only a few are putting in for your gold show. especially when you are in the first spot on the first row. it makes no fucking sense to me whatsoever.
and you know what? maybe i do just need to mind my own business and get back to my own cam room. most of the time i do, actually; i don't pay that much attention to so-called "cam police" threads most of the time. but knowing what's going on in other camgirls' rooms on sites i work on is part of knowing my competition and knowing my industry - it's knowing the business. and i'm stumped on the math for the most popular camgirls doing public pussy, blowjob, and fetish shows on streamate for NO TIPS in free. i'd love for somebody to explain that shit to me.
i do agree that posting names is going overboard.
...yay magical disappearing posts.
^sorry that was a self-delete
I think discussing the impact free shows have on PPM sites like SM is important
I think figuring out ways to deal with the onslaught of beggars and how to change you hustle to accommodate it is also important
I think venting about free shows is important to do (like tinydancer is doing above) because it is changing camming, definitely, and it is frustrating as all get out
But calling out individual models a threat to their job and a way of neutralizing competition:
yes it is. SW is not a small nook on the internet, too many people forget that. It is lurker central. This thread has almost gotten 400 views. The post by Blonde Ambition about "free videos of us girls" got over 500. There are site representatives from Cams.com, Webcams.com and Streamate.com here. Do I think they genuinely give a shit? No. But will a bunch of models report the model name to try to get the edge and get their account shutdown, probably.
Look - wasn't AmberCutie's forum bashed for like a good 5 pages for doing the same thing? So why are people doing it here? Constantly?
On neutralizing competition: a year ago camming was not this competitive, SW was also not this popular. Stage names of people were rarely posted. Now it is an every other day occurrence. Calling out people for doing it isn't "bickering" it isn't undoing SW's e-sisterhood, it is asking "why are you trying to undermine someone's job".... that is unhelpful to the individual camgirl.
Also girls don't post free shows done by anyone outside of: US, Canada, W Europe, or Australia. They don't. They also don't post the girls who are not on the first page. Those folks are the competition of most of the SM girls on SW. Some of the most hardcore free shows Ive seen are from ladies in Colombia - many of them are gorgeous, have toys, some have audio... but never a peep.
Be honest about what you're doing.
If you want to stop the trend of free shows - ukmissy's analogy was 100% spot on: killing a few flies in a sugarbowl won't do it. It is clear what you're doing, even if it is inadvertent. We have no idea if her perspective on camming is "let me make as much as I can in one day because good god I need th emoney NOW" or if she's in it for the longhaul.
Also - you don't want the $2 gold for for 30minute guy in your room. You don't. I don't - the girl pissing her pants and gagging on rubber can have him. Unfortunately SM seems to be doing whatever they can to attract that kind of customer and it is both stupid and irritating and is impacting quality traffic - but calling out one girl who is clearly worried about achieving her bottomline for that day is a waste of your time. It isn't nice.
There are ways to discuss this epidemic of free shows without calling out someone who is just a cog in the shitty wheel. I loathe free shows, I really do - but I won't sit and watch them, that fucks up other people's traffic.
You guys do realize that sitting through a free show gawking increases the chick's placement? What are you doing?
I agree with GlamourRouge's post and I also wanted to add that quite a few of us are new to SM and the whole free chat thing. In being new to the ways of SM it's a shock to see so much nudity, teasing and free shows that are responsible for killing the soft-core markets. I think many of us were venting at first but now have come to realize that it's just a part of SM that isn't going to go away. Yes, girls will be suspended for a day or two but they will be right back at it as soon as their stream in enabled again.
I only know of one person who has been removed from the site and I was shocked to find out because she was #1. So, they are being removed but it's a rare occurrence and more or less just a reality of camming in 2011-2012.
For the record, I'm not a fan at all of free shows or of being visible 100% of the time i.e. free chat because I REALLY just don't have the personality for it. I can only take so much "show me your tits, pussy, bitch, when is the last time you fucked.. the youngest guy you fucked..stand up, show your ass, what toys do you have.." before my attitude starts to visibly change. I really wish SM would give us the option to pull down the shade so we can still be on and be more relaxed when free chat gets to be too much.
^You make a good point - I forget that camming is new for many here and seeing people do the exact opposite of what is recommended here is probably uh alarming. So I apologize if my tone was harsh here or in your other thread. I forget that perspective. I'm getting old and long in the tooth. Seriously - Im sorry about that
"For the record, I'm not a fan at all of being visible 100% of the time i.e. free chat because I REALLY just don't have the personality for it. I can only take so much "show me your tits, pussy, bitch, when is the last time you fucked.. the youngest guy you fucked..stand up, show your ass, what toys do you have.." before my attitude starts to visibly change."
I agree with this 100% - mandatory free chat is like a shock to the introvert's system. I'm great for the first hour on sites where free chat is mandatory, but after that ......
Although I know SM is a super popular option and you didn't ask - but having backup sites without free chat helps you feel less... overwhelmed.
Don't forget guys, camming is mostly about INTERACTION. The guys who're sitting there watching a nameless (to them) woman doing random sexual acts for anyone to watch aren't going to be the paying customers ANYWAY!
A lot of times it's not that That Guy wants to see You fucking a rubber toy, it's that THIS GUY wants to see You Fucking A Rubber Toy In A Particular Way
The paying customers are the ones who KNOW what they want, and know that that's not free.
The freeloaders are trolls, just as they have been ever since the internet became available for people's use. The only reason they have a negative impact is because they scare away the paying customers with their proliferation