At what point does it become illegal?
Let me know if there are any threads about this specifically? I'm search-tarded. I know laws change from city to city, state to state, etc. But I'm looking for general guidelines.
At what point does an encounter become illegal? Is it when you say "You will get x for $x."? Or if the money is given, and an act occurs, can that be prosecuted?
Is it legal to say "For $2,000, I will escort you to your business event / be arm candy / make conversation."? If I were going to be an actual social escort with no overt expectation of sex, could I say that and not run the risk of being arrested?
Is it legal to charge money to dance for someone in their home? Does it become illegal if / when you touch them sexually? Or is it only when you actually say "If you give me $x, I will do this."?
I'm clueless! Help me!!
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It differs way too much and also depends on how big vice is, and can even differ from times of years due to political influence.
Dancing in someone's home without a license can sometimes be illegal. I danced in several cities that were all close to each other and required $30-ish yearly licenses each. I never got popped for dancing illegally, but my bosses who danced had, and so they themselves went and got licensed.
Some cities don't have vice, so unless you're propositioning a police officer, you won't have a problem. I think Austin might be like that if I recall.
Basically, all I can say is never agree to have sex for money. Always stress it's for time, or travelling expenses or whatever. I had a girlfriend who got popped but got it dropped because when she was propositioned after meeting someone at their hotel room as an escort, she said (and was taped saying this otherwise they could have easily lied and said she'd agreed): "I'm not being paid to give you a blowjob but I will happily do that for free."
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I would think that the scenario of $2,000 to keep someone company at an event would be a safe scenario. Yet, who knows what obscure law on the books there may be that they could get you on by claiming you are running a business without a license or some other lame excuse.
Yes...you can be prosecuted by merely agreeing to ''doing xx for $yyy'' without the actual act occuring. So, yes...also if the act occurs and paid ..you can be prosecuted.
The home scenario is a little difficult. It would be similar to the last one where if you agree to do ''yyy'' while there, then there would be an issue. Merely dancing for someone in their home should not be an issue. Do not see how this would be an issue as this scenario would probably only occur with someone you knew and trusted enough to be at their home. Do not see how you could be prosecuted for this as there would not be any means for them to know what did or didn't happen unless the individual was a cop.
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If you were planning on dancing for someone in their home and turning that into an escorting thing I would
Dance for them for a specified time and then say that's over or say you're taking a little work break and just hanging out. and then move forward sexually from there if you were happy with te amount he paid/tipped you before that point.
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I don't know. When I was doing many parties a week I knew to get the money upfront and told them upfront what was and wasn't allowed. I know I didn't have a license (didn't need one) but the business did. I've never had problems in this respect but was propositioned several times and I'm sure every dancer has been.
It does become cloudy. I had a friend who did erotic massage and she normally just did handjobs. I know she got the money upfront and never told them exactly what was involved. I knew several escorts and if I remember they charged an upfront fee too. I never asked if they made more the more they did but I'm sure they did.
I've also done some social escorting and never had problems either. I told them upfront I would charge so much but no sex was going to happen. I suppose I could have gotten in trouble with this but never had a problem.
This does remind of those strange cases. There was an adult entertainer who mostly stripped but also did videos. In the movies she would have sex with men (videotaped by her husband). I'm sure this could technically be prostitution because if I remember often the guys paid her to do a video for private use but also sold many of them.
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I'm considering doing something like this on a very small scale (one regular, once a month, lots of money.) I don't need the money by ANY means, but I could always use more.
How does one go about looking for a client? Not craigslist, right? What about a sugar daddy site?
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it varies state to state/city to city in some states escorting, even as a social escort where you are NOT engaging in sexual activity, is illegal and/or requires a license. other areas, its only illegal if you are exchanging specific sexual acts for money.
i would contact your local sheriff and ask if you are really concerned. if it is your regular and you know he is not vice, i would just go ahead and do it anyway. if it is illegal, it is a stupid law to begin with and if the two of you both agree and are comfortable with the transaction, then whats the harm?
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So far I have zero people in mind for this. It's just something I'm considering. Like "I don't really feel like using any of the money I have saved up from stripping, but I think I'd like a new car. Hmm..."
Being asexual and all, it'd be a shame to not use my complete lack of interest in sex to some positive end.
Hmm...wonder how much I should charge.
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So far I have zero people in mind for this. It's just something I'm considering. Like "I don't really feel like using any of the money I have saved up from stripping, but I think I'd like a new car. Hmm..."
Being asexual and all, it'd be a shame to not use my complete lack of interest in sex to some positive end.
Hmm...wonder how much I should charge.
Lol...like a snail?:D sorry just kidd'n, but that's what I think of every time I see that word.
I'll try to be a little more helpful now: Have you tried to look up the civil / penal code for the area (city, county, state) in wich you live? That might give you a little better idea of what you're thinking of getting yourself into.
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Two best pieces of advice I can give are-
Try to get it in some form of writing (even if it's only saved emails or IM) that you are only being paid for your time and companionship. The handful of parties I've done, I made the guy who paid sign a form I typed up myself specifying that I was there to dance only, that all guests were over 18, and that there would be NO sex with any party-goers. It's not iron-clad because it's not a legal document, but it is some form of defense.
Don't trust police to know the laws. I was recently arrested at my home club for dancing without a licence after being told by management (who thought only the club needed a licence) and the sheriff department that I didn't need one. Try talking to a JP, who typically knows the laws and their loopholes better than law enforcement, or a lawyer, preferably one with a history of working with the sex industry.
Other than that, just be careful. And I don't really recommend SD sites- your inbox will predominantly be perverts.
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^ Then how does one go about finding men who can afford such things, if not on SD sites?
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there's whatsyourprice where you can at least weed people out.
And if you're going to use seekingarrangement, get the guy's full name so you can google him and see that he's for real in terms of having money.
other than that, no clue unless you want to go the provider route and just have really high prices.
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^ What would a high price be for a provider? What could I get away with charging for just an hour of FS, and an evening of dinner / socializing, if I'm willing and able to hold out until some rich dude comes along? I know nothing about such things.
Right now, it's just a thought experiment. But I'm curious and totally ignorant.
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Mid-price range tends to be $300/hr. Some women do this and do BBBJ and Daty. Some women get away with charging $400/hr and allowing that. Personally, that makes me mega-squeemish because duh, you're not protected and you don't know what your body is coming into contact with, and even though viruses can still affect you with condoms on, it's still a better route to be protected with every activity.
I've seen some women charge $400-500/hr but you better have damn fine pictures, and a website. Otherwise, just try to find them through the club because then they're already in love with you and you should be able to get 4-500 out of them easy without sex and then you can suggest a lot more for more time (though never promise xyz specific sex acts for money.)
You could only accept 3+ hour dates and charge 800-1200ish.
It just depends. Look on eccie.com (though I think a lot of the girls lowball themselves) and there's a lot of women on there who also use P411 so you can jump to their profiles and look around.
Depends on location, and how many women you're competing with, and where your clients are coming from.
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The answer I've worked by is- figure out what is the norm for your state, county or city. I've had a Vice Cop try to get me to name prices on the phone and I yelled at him in the negative because I was in a really bad mood- I had no idea it was a cop until later. (My exact words were "I DON'T OFFER ILLEGAL SERVICES!!!!!") The short answer is it is all relative- one state might entirely look the other way, while another (like UTAH) will try to take cases to court against escorts without any real evidence.
A lot of clueless cheap idiots will try to get you to agree to name prices for specific acts, this is a no-no....This is why review boards exist. & You always explain they are paying for your time and you can never promise illegal activity.
Overall, these days the real problem for most escorts is not dealing with LE so much as it is- the market is flooded with p*ssy. You're not really selling p*ssy. You are selling The Girlfriend Experience. I've had clients insult me, be jerks and try to get as much as possible for as little as they can pay- the Internet has made any schmuck into an "Expert" about the "p*ssy he should be getting here". It sucks. Your average Jonny-With-Dick-In-Hand expects a 21 year model for $200. No lie.
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I would go to a sugardaddy site if I were you. I have a friend who used to meet sugar daddies through those kinds of sites and literally did nothing but have dinner with them/hang out. She said they would usually give her a few hundred or take her shopping or whatever. She got a iphone through a long distance sugar daddy. She's not a dancer or escort or anything, just a really pretty girl. As far as I know nothing sexual happened, although I'm sure they all tried to get things to that point. I wouldn't even market myself as an "escort" just a "regular girl" looking for fun or whatever as she did. If they want to spend "extra time" with you then they can give you more $.
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Hahaha I barely remember starting this thread. I don't know what I was thinking.
Regardless, thank you ladies for your responses!
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BTW I forgot to clarify on WHY I double dog LUCKED OUT in that phone conversation with a Vice Cop- the official definition of prostitution in most US states is agreeing to exchange sexual acts in EXCHANGE for monetary or OTHER compensation (meaning they can charge someone with prostitution for agreeing to have sex for food or an unspecified dollar amount....the value of the item does not matter, it's the verbal contract.)
Sooooooo if you get tricked into verbalizing exactly what you will do for XYZ amount of money....you can be charged.
BTW this is also why Sugar relationships are both an Umbrella for escorting but also an opportunity for both parties to get screwed- the SD can promise things and bolt off into into the dark night, AND the Sugar Baby can use all her wiles and avenues to milk the most out of the SD while his dick is hard...however long that lasts..