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Wont get a dance from a girl that doesnt get naked
At a nude club I will never get a dance from a girl that doesnt get totally naked on stage (not counting shoes of course):
Girls that get naked on stage generally give better lapdances - used to get dances from non nakeds but not anymore.
Girls seems so much hotter when naked - when they wear clothes even if its something small around their hip it just isnt the same.
Seems only fair to give the $$ to girls that do get naked rather than those that dont.
Its advertised as a nude club with no alcohol - so get nude.
Just my opinion. :)
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Re: Wont get a dance from a girl that doesnt get naked
I once worked at a nude optional club and never got naked. The reason? First off most dancers didn't get naked on stage, and second because the money was not there. It's bad enough several clubs required us to go topless though the customers weren't spending money. Since dancers only get paid by customers, if a guy doesn't tip then dancers shouldn't have to get naked. I refused to even go topless for loser men who refused to even give me a dollar.
I've never heard that naked girls give better dances. Maybe you are going to a club where the naked girls are more open minded (and I suspect this is what you mean).
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Re: Wont get a dance from a girl that doesnt get naked
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Originally Posted by
zeke
Girls that get naked on stage generally give better lapdances - used to get dances from non nakeds but not anymore.
Well you should certainly spend your money how you choose but I've never found full nudity to be a barometer of how good a dance is going to be. Fact is, I find that dancers are more comfortable giving close contact when they have a bottom on than when fully nude.
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My club is full nude. On stage I only take off my top but I do get fully nude in private dances, which is where I make most of my money.
While I'm not sure that the reasoning behind your spending is very accurate I don't think there's anything wrong with the way you want to spend your money. I think that the different schools of thought all balance themselves out cuz plenty of guys seem to want private dances EVEN more cuz it's the only way they get to see the kitty. Lol! (Or maybe I should say it's the only way they'll get to see MY kitty cuz almost all the other girls at my club show it all on stage.)
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A few of the girls I became friendly with were uncomfortable with full nudity and full contact in a club where booths were generally nude and contact level was high enough to bring at least a third of the customers in from an hour or more away. They refused to work the nude room. I acceded to their wishes in private dances because they were the ones I chose to spend my time with and money on. I did move around a little bit dancer-wise but never insisted on full nudity even though it may have been expected of the girls. Eventually, I told the dancers I did CR's with that it was not necessary. I never had to tell them twice.
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I've only worked at a few clubs where you required to go nude on stage but it was up to you how long for. Being that I agree with Kellydancer and think if you're not getting paid, you shouldn't have to undress I always take notice of who the highest earners are and what they do on stage and found that how quickly you get nekkid doesn't really seem to be a factor.
When I visit strip clubs I look at the way the girl moves her body on stage, eye contact, confidence, etc. Maybe girls who are comfortable taking everything off on stage early are in general more likely to have confidence, but that doesn't mean the opposite is true. I've worked with a lot of girls who don't get naked on stage but put on a great show and bank.
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When I first started dancing I was shit and made no money, I also didn't know what to do on stage so just panicked and undressed quickly then wiggle around for another two minutes. Proof that girls who get naked aren't always the best dancers.
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Where I work girls HAVE to get naked on stage and during dances whether its 1 song or 10. Customers are assholes when more is given, tough shit but thats life. If I picked I would have them wait.
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Interesting analogy Zeke. I often wonder that also if the girls who get naked sooner on stage are more likely to get a dance because customers see them as more promiscuous/think they will get naked sooner in VIP.
At my club we are required to get fully naked by sometime within the 3rd song or we get bitched at by management. So that means I could take my panties off within last 10 seconds of song and its okay(which is what i do). But some girls get completely naked at the beginning of the 3rd song....imo no one is seeing my kitty for free for 3.5 mins. lol.
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I would also like to add that I had one of my regulars tell me that in the past if a girl did not take her underwear off after the first song (during a LD), she will not get a second dance. He told me a lot of men think like that so it made me wonder.......
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I have to agree with the OP on this. I see a dancer's refusal to get naked in an all nude club as a flashing warning sign that she is either uptight, playing games or both. It has nothing to do with being a measuring stick for promiscuity - at least for me - but IMHO it is a good barometer for how much I will enjoy interacting with her.
About a year ago, I visited a byob nude club where, after a very hot Latina dancer that I had previously spoken with finished her stage routine, she got off of the stage, walked halfway across the club fully nude, and sat down at the barseat next to mine while chatting with me as if she was in a cocktail dress. That was hot as hell IMHO and she got my money that night.
Anyway, just my :twocents:
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Re: Wont get a dance from a girl that doesnt get naked
^^^^
I can only wonder what she had to do for the litttle bit of money you gave her. Customers like you are not worth the effort.
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Re: Wont get a dance from a girl that doesnt get naked
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Originally Posted by
yoda57us
Fact is, I find that dancers are more comfortable giving close contact when they have a bottom on than when fully nude.
Yea im just talking about nude on stage.
Though alot of times it seems when the girl does take off her panties for a LD they will put a small towel on the guys lap.
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I find that I get more business,because I keep my bottoms on.leave a little mystery to the imagination.
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I work in a full nude club and I think that ALL girls should get naked onstage or whereever the hell they are suppose to get naked at. If you don't like getting naked then don't work at a full NUDE club!! I hate it when girls get all huffy and refuse to take their thongs off onstage. Hello?!! I' pretty sure that's the #1 requirement when you were hired here. Yeah it sucks when you don't get tipped but that's what makes our club unique is the full nudity/full alcohol bar. Get over it or go to a different club.
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Originally Posted by
kassie
^^^^
I can only wonder what she had to do for the litttle bit of money you gave her. Customers like you are not worth the effort.
Kassie, you don't have any idea what I gave her so you are speaking out of turn. She actually got paid fairly well for her efforts and didn't really have to work much for it.
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Re: Wont get a dance from a girl that doesnt get naked
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Originally Posted by
kaiarose
If you don't like getting naked then don't work at a full NUDE club!! I hate it when girls get all huffy and refuse to take their thongs off onstage. Hello?!! I' pretty sure that's the #1 requirement when you were hired here. Yeah it sucks when you don't get tipped but that's what makes our club unique is the full nudity/full alcohol bar. Get over it or go to a different club.
My club is full nude and personally I have no problem with getting naked...but that's just not how it works around here. Where I live there are two types of girls: stage girls and VIP girls. Stage girls are required to do stage and to go full nude and they do 4 song sets. VIP girls are not required to go onstage AT ALL and when they do they only do 2 song sets and a lot of them don't take anything off.
I just don't think you can generalize to all clubs....but maybe my area is really unique....? I know that almost all of the clubs in my area operate like this.
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I've worked in nude clubs where you're only meant to go topless on stage or even not take anything off on stage. Also clubs where you have to get naked on the last song which I'm fine with as long as I can wait till the last 10 seconds :) unless they're tipping of course.
Too many times when I first started I got naked on stage too quickly then went to sell a private dance and kept hearing "but I've already seen it all".
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Well we seem to be debating a couple of different topics here...
I don't happen to think a woman needs to be fully nude to give a great LD. That being said, if she's working in a nude club and she's supposed to be naked on stage than she damn well should get naked. It shouldn't depend on who's tipping or how much though I don't think that customers should be allowed to sit at the stage and watch the show if they are not tipping.
Most of the clubs in Mass have a requirement that the dancer be nude by a certain number of songs into her set. It doesn't always get enforced. Honestly, I think this is just one more example of deteriorating state of affairs in the clubs. Lack of professionalism from both dancers and club owners as well as a proliferation of cheap-ass customers have brought us to this. When I started clubbing in the 80's a dancer would have been booed off the stage and summarily fired if she didn't get fully nude in a nude club. Of course, back then, guys tipped at the stage since there were no lap dances. A guy could never get away with sitting at the stage of he didn't tip. The dancers would point him out to management and he would be forced to leave his seat at the stage and make room for a paying customer.
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^exactly. I think the problem is I've worked in far too many clubs where guys will sit around the stage for hours and not tip. I think there should always at least be a sign up saying seats are for tipping customers only and guys not tipping should be asked to move. If that means no guys sit by the stage then fine, I'd rather no guys there than guys there not tipping and I'm more comfortable being naked for free when the closest guy is a few meters away rather than a couple of feet and telling me to open my legs when he won't open his wallet.
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Re: Wont get a dance from a girl that doesnt get naked
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Originally Posted by
yoda57us
Well we seem to be debating a couple of different topics here...
I don't happen to think a woman needs to be fully nude to give a great LD. That being said, if she's working in a nude club and she's supposed to be naked on stage than she damn well should get naked. It shouldn't depend on who's tipping or how much though I don't think that customers should be allowed to sit at the stage and watch the show if they are not tipping.
Most of the clubs in Mass have a requirement that the dancer be nude by a certain number of songs into her set. It doesn't always get enforced. Honestly, I think this is just one more example of deteriorating state of affairs in the clubs. Lack of professionalism from both dancers and club owners as well as a proliferation of cheap-ass customers have brought us to this. When I started clubbing in the 80's a dancer would have been booed off the stage and summarily fired if she didn't get fully nude in a nude club. Of course, back then, guys tipped at the stage since there were no lap dances. A guy could never get away with sitting at the stage of he didn't tip. The dancers would point him out to management and he would be forced to leave his seat at the stage and make room for a paying customer.
I think this is why clubs should have an admission fee along with a drinking limit. The one club where I got yelled at for refusing to go topless had neither one and got many customers who would come in and order a beer and drink it for hours, if they ordered booze. These same guys would then sit at the stage and not tip anyone or would watch the show and not buy dances. My opinion is why should I get topless for these guys who were contributing nothing. There were times when dancers would compare notes and find out no one was making money. They even expected us to go topless for the free on stage dances they raffled off but why should I? There weren't really any paying customers so I didn't see the purpose of dancing topless for them.
I didn't really explain how the one club (not the topless club)was nude optional. They didn't advertise nude on stage, just nude private dances. When I started the manager told me nude was optional. The idea was that if we didn't go nude we would get more VIP rooms (this club didn't do a lot of private dances). The money wasn't really there unless you did extras.
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Even though all girls should get naked at a nude club because it is a nude club, It makes no sense to judge how good a girl's lap dance would be based on if she gets naked or not on stage. I am pretty laid back and conservative on the floor and those who buy my dances will get to see the wild side of me. You better believe I give great dances. ;)
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Re: Wont get a dance from a girl that doesnt get naked
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Originally Posted by
Kellydancer
I think this is why clubs should have an admission fee along with a drinking limit.
The theory being that the cover and drink limit keep out the non-spenders but this really doesn't work. Guys will pay the cover, buy the drinks and still sit contently at the bar, or at the stage if management lets them, and not tip or buy dances. The thing to remember is that the cheap ass guys (a)have no shame and (b) have conveniently decided that, since they are good "club customers" they are entitled to, at a minimum, try and flirt with the girls or, at worst, sit and watch the show without tipping. After all "the club pays the girls to be here, why should I have to tip them?"
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Re: Wont get a dance from a girl that doesnt get naked
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Originally Posted by
Kellydancer
I think this is why clubs should have an admission fee along with a drinking limit. The one club where I got yelled at for refusing to go topless had neither one and got many customers who would come in and order a beer and drink it for hours, if they ordered booze. These same guys would then sit at the stage and not tip anyone or would watch the show and not buy dances. My opinion is why should I get topless for these guys who were contributing nothing. There were times when dancers would compare notes and find out no one was making money. They even expected us to go topless for the free on stage dances they raffled off but why should I? There weren't really any paying customers so I didn't see the purpose of dancing topless for them.
There are some guys who have the attitude that they will not tip a girl who won't take clothes off so it is sort of a "who will act first?" deal, the customer is waiting for the dancer to take clothes off before tipping and vice versa.
I generally never had a problem going to the stage of a not nude or topless dancer I was interested in just to talk to her and get to know her at first. Things always worked out that way
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Originally Posted by
yoda57us
The theory being that the cover and drink limit keep out the non-spenders but this really doesn't work. Guys will pay the cover, buy the drinks and still sit contently at the bar, or at the stage if management lets them, and not tip or buy dances. The thing to remember is that the cheap ass guys (a)have no shame and (b) have conveniently decided that, since they are good "club customers" they are entitled to, at a minimum, try and flirt with the girls or, at worst, sit and watch the show without tipping. After all "the club pays the girls to be here, why should I have to tip them?"
True but when you don't have a cover and a no drink minimum you tend to get a lot of the cheap guys. At least when there is a cover you cut down these guys. I suggested at one club I worked at including a ticket for a dance with admission because then guys who wanted dances would be more likely whereas guy with no interest would be dissuaded from coming to the club. The other dancers agreed with me but the club didn't like it. Of course then it opens the floodgates about the guy who tip but don't buy dances. We've all danced for guys who sit at the stage and are generous with tips but are not interested in private dances. I once worked at a club when these two Texans came in. Both were tipping about $50 each time a dancer went on stage but not interested in private dances. I made more from them this night than anything else.
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Originally Posted by
billh
There are some guys who have the attitude that they will not tip a girl who won't take clothes off so it is sort of a "who will act first?" deal, the customer is waiting for the dancer to take clothes off before tipping and vice versa.
I generally never had a problem going to the stage of a not nude or topless dancer I was interested in just to talk to her and get to know her at first. Things always worked out that way
But the problem I ran into at the one club is these guys would sit there for hours not tipping so you knew when you got on stage they wouldn't tip. If I thought they might tip I would take off my top, but a few times when they didn't I put it right back on. This same club did dollar dances where most of the dancers took off their top but I didn't. I knew these guys wouldn't tip so why should I take off my top?