Its possible, but I believe most of those girls. Especially because if you are in the Verified Cam Girls group, you would know that a lot of those girls are very high ranking girls on MFC. Which also make up like .000001% of all cam girls.
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Exactly my point...I cannot base my career moves on someone elses career. i cant go to each and every site these claims come from. And neither should anyone else lol.
I really feel like free shows are what fucks up MFC. If I were someone spending the money it'd annoy the shit out of my to have piggy backing basics and I'd probably go somewhere else.
I don't understand why they don't enforce the no penetration in public rule, why would you want the majority of your traffic to not be paying a dime?
That's not the point. The point is that newbies see post like that and decide to become a cam girl thinking they'll making ridiculous amount of money. They end up making like $10 an hour or so and stick with it anyway because its better than no money because jobs are simply not available. The traffic on some sites may be increasing, but the amount of girls its split between is becoming higher & higher.
Because the top models there apparently make 30k per month. What the top 30 models make is probably 99% of the site's income.
And NEWSFLASH everyone: Cam sites don't give a fuck about you. They don't care about your privacy, exploiting you, using you, or being discreet. They only care about money and not legally getting in trouble. They may give off the facade that they care when you email them, but they don't. That's just good customer service.
I hope one day a tech save SW girl makes a site that gives a shit about it's girls.
Yeah, this "summer slump" hope isn't helping me pay my bills and it sounds like it isn't paying anyone else's - so you all need to stop waiting around for something that is never going to end.
Start doing things differently and as Tim Gunn says, "make it work."
What is the big deal about this verified group? Is this a group on SW or this AC forum i hear about? I have read the link about that online predator, but why should I submit personal information to prove my worthiness? If there are suspicious characters on this site, they should be BANNED. The innocent people should not be punished for their actions. Shame on me for not staying in the loop about this fantastic verified group, but the thought of giving up my very personal info, just to voice my opinion on a forum, or read about other "verified" models earnings seems rediculous.
However I'd be happy to submit my personal info to any camsite that has potential to make money LOL.
It doesn't matter or affect me either way if whoever doesn't want to join. The only point I'm trying to make is that the group is NOT public so the info is NOT googleable. The chats, the group... its HIDDEN to google's eye. THAT'S what matters. I don't care who reads what I personally write, but its like duh all you guys are writing the sites you work, the days you work them, and the times that you make the most money and then you all wonder WHY, the next week, you're making next to nothing each day. Then you try to find external factors to blame it on. "Summer slump::)", "oh the weathers too nice to be indoors!", oh its the end of the month::), etc. No, its the fact that all of you are putting detailed information for tens of thousands of people to be able to google and read.
Everything that's on this forum, except private groups, are googleable and comes up if someone types any of the keywords in ANY thread from SW. So there could be tens of thousands of people reading every little thing we write on a daily basis. So naturally the only *safe* place this information should go is somewhere private. I really feel like anyone displaying this info publicly on here is doing a HUGE disservice to themselves. Doesn't affect me too much, but it will affect you.
Point of the matter: NO ONE should be writing which sites they work, how long they work, the days they work or don't work, the times they work or make the most money, how much they make... not publicly at least. No one should be asking that question either because ITS DIFFERENT FOR EVERYONE. You are doing a HUGE disservice to yourself if you post your personal answers to that question because, come next week, a few thousand girls will fill up those time slots and poach your paying traffic.
To say if we all kept our posts "hidden from public" will have a drastic effect our traffic on any of these sites is, to be frank, doubtful.
To think that our opinions and posts mean that much to others that they will flock to YOUR site to FILL UP YOUR TIME SLOT, AND SATURATE YOUR MARKET..just because you said you had a good night is too much. This is not realistic..to me, at least.
To tell people what to post and where and why, is not your place, nor is it the least bit believable that this site really does effect traffic on these larger conglomerate sites. They do not need our little posts believe me.
***New girls will join these sites every day, and there is nothing we can do to stop it lol.***
Nor should we want to stand in others way of seeking information, such as keeping posts private. That is what a forum is all about.
Huuuurrrrrrdurrrrr. This.
I don't why get people can't wrap there head around this and instead get defensive because they feel they're being verified to a cult. ::) ::) ::)
Why does, KFC for example keep the recipe to their fried chicken under lock and key? So they can DOMINATE in the niche that they are in.
We are camgirls. This forum was originally for all of us already in the industry to share ideas/tips/tricks/secrects, etc. Now we are a breeding ground and a wealth of information for studios and a surge of new camgirls.
This forum should be private. Because it should ONLY be available to those who actively work in it. Not for those who will pull down our buisness.
But oh, you know, summer got stretched out a little, everyone's out enjoying the weather before that big mean storm hits and everyone's snowed in this Christmas. I can still cling to my hope of raking in 50/hr with no effort. But golly gee, it sure is slow today. Gosh darnit, I have no traffic.
Maybe for Christmas Santa can get all of you wishy-"summer-slump" girls a wake-up call. :D
"This forum was originally for all of us already in the industry to share ideas/tips/tricks/secrects, etc. Now we are a breeding ground and a wealth of information for studios and a surge of new camgirls"
So now that there is too much valuable information, the forum should be made private???
This makes no sense to me.
You girls are blaming eveyrthing but the obvious, THE OBVIOUS IS THAT TRAFFIC FLUCTUATES. Fact. Of. The. Matter.
There is nothing you can do about it. You can keep your posts private, traffic will fluctuate. You can log on for 10 hours a day, traffic will fluctuate. You can be one of the top models, your traffic will still fluctuate.
Focusing on the traffic you do have is what will make you money, not worrying about why you do not have as much traffic today as you did yesterday, there are really no answers or people or posts to place the blame on here. Traffic is what it is. You can pay for traffic but still not MAKE money. That is how it is.
How funny. Remember that streamate traffic thread we had - in two months it had over 19,000 views. But of course that means absolutely nothing, right? ::)
As far as saturation goes - yes, you can saturate your market and you can ruin it.
Years ago, DVD porn was huge. And as a camgirl, you could sit on your ass, fully clothes - with a smile on your face and rake in $100's a day, no effort at all. Tons of customers - very little camgirls.
Then free porn tube sites cam along. Pirate sites came about. Porn was suddenly "free." Now you have company's shutting down left and right because they can't hold thier own, and it's harder and harder for pornstars to get work. I'm sure Sam38G can chime in on this, I've heard her mention this before.
Cable porn is practically non-exsistant now.
Now as camgirls, most of us are having to splitcam, work harder, longer, and even some $100/days are like pulling teeth - so we have to branch out into other areas, BESIDES camming to make things work.
Porn is not taboo anymore - why? Oh, because of that little word called 'saturation' = less $$ for those who work in it.
But sure, you and the other girls that agree with each other can go ahead and sit on your raft of ignorance in the ocean. It's all cool because it's only a few of you on that raft, but once the floodgates open and all of those people in the water are scrambling to get on that same raft you're going to drown.
We aren't here in this forum to "save" everyone and hold their hand and tell them exactly how to build a raft.
If you want to ensure your own survival, there will come a point where you will have to be a total bitch and stay on your own floating door and make Jack stay in the water by himself until he freezes to death.
Don't get me wrong, while I'm not so sure about the Dr. phil show I really do believe posting certain information for the public can be detrimental. Since I've started releasing more and more info, my hourly $ has been slowly but surely declining. In the past week, there's not only been a drop in earnings for me but also a sharp decline in traffic. I haven't even hardly broken 200 people during a public show, whereas during good times I could have that many people just sitting around.
As it was brought up, just look at the thread view counts. Ever wonder who those (sometimes thousands!) of people might be?
Your points are absolutely valid, but it will not change the fact that I, among other people *ENJOY* helping others and come to a forum for this reason. This does not make me ignorant. I am not here to "save anyone" I am just trying to be helpful.
Public forum, private forum, if you are that "total bitch about it and stay on your own floating door and make Jack stay in the water by himself until he freezes to death" you will not be sharing any info with anyone wether it be a public or private forum. Especially if said private forum is a place where your biggest competitors aka top model frequent.
***This was meant to be a reply to hayden, not you brilynne***
Anyone ever wonder about those shitty posts on camming.
"I made no money tonight on _____ site."
"______ has alot of models giving stuff away for free"
"I GOT RIPPED OFF BY _______ SITE I AM DONE!!!!"
I wonder if these posts have ever forced anyone sign off mid shift even against their own instinct to get off the site that has been posted about and got a whopping 5,000 views!!!!!!! OMG it must not be hype, I had a terrible NIGHT. I m-m-must log off NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!
LOL JUST A JOKE...guess you have to be here hahahahahahahah!
Traffic AND money has taken a nosedive since the beginning of 2011.
One day I was pulling in $50/hr hardly any effort. 6 months later I am nervously sitting on $15-$25/hr putting MORE effort into shows than before and making content, splitcamming between 3 different sites, doing phone sex and working 6 hours, sometimes more a day to pull in what I need to make sure my own needs are met. And based on the posts in this forum, it is a similar situation for many other women.
If you looked back in 2009 - this wasn't an issue. Top girls on MFC are making less and less each year.
BUT OH NO, SUMMER SLUMP/HOLIDAYS YOU GUISE. Get real and take off those blinders - they make you look really stupid.
Factors:
Saturation - More girls, more competition, customers are being spread thinner and thinner.
Economy - self explanatory
Advertisement - We are being advertised as a freebie, free show, "guys can see you for free" / "chat with me for free"
Google - The power of the internet - information is available more and more - we are holding the hands of studios and lazy camgirls who come to lurk this forum.
I fail to see how the weather or Halloween, Thanksgiving, and Christmas are all affecting my income and where I work.
So, when the traffic and the amount in my bank account suddenly starts to spike UP you make sure to come get me and 'neener, neener, told you so!' in my face. Plz.
Oh please, I'm not being a bitch or "mean" just because I won't give away a secret to the PUBLIC of THOUSANDS+ of people or hold someone's hand.
To run with this metaphor, I'm not going to share with someone who won't make any effort to help themselves. So you could be "Jack" and cling to my door and beg, complain, whine and be lazy and I'll pat your hand and tell you the basics of what you need to do to get out of the water ("this is a list of legit cam sites, here are pay percentages, here are traffic stats - pick one, see whats best for you") but I'm not pulling you up and out of the water myself.
You can save your own fucking self and swim out and take the basics of what you've been given and figure out how to build a raft OR you can find your own door and get on top with your own effort.
And I sit on my door and congratulate all of the other girls on their doors because I know what it takes to fight to get on top of one and how awesome it feels because you did it yourself.
I guess I am ignorant....I have never had to go to such extremes to make money. I have never had to place the blame on sooo many things (besides myself) to try and legitimize why I am camming. I not saying that you are to blame. But it seems you ladies place the blame on everything else and take no responsibilities.
Do you think that splitcamming between 3 sites may have a POSITIVE effect on your money making ability because you are not giving your full attention to ONE site.
Do you think that quitting one site because of a bad night to join even more sites is the answer to all of your traffic problems and money making problems?
Do you think that selling content in an already over saturated porn market (you said so yourself) will make you the big bucks?
Do you think that camming is a part time gig with the money only a college education can get you?
If you agree with any of the above maybe you should look into a new career altogether.
I have been camming well before 2011 matter of fact i started in 01. I have been thru ups downs bad economies and good and if it was such a pain in the ass, if the industry was sooo saturated, if the money was sooooo terrible. i point blank would not be here, none of us would.
It is very easy with camming to blame all the exterior factors, such as traffic, oversaturation, etc, but maybe they are not to blame at all. Pointing the finger at everything but yourself may be what is to blame. Traffic is just an eazy excuse most of the time "traffic was good so I stayed on" "traffic was bad so i logged off" maybe consider the other factors before you go pointing the finger...or you shall hath finger pointed at YOUUUUU!
It has been 10 years now and have only found one logical explanation The money and the traffic are not guaraunteed. Why both come and go is unbeknownst to any of us. We can point the fingers all we want, and blame, ourselves, all the exteriors, but this is BUSINESS. MONEY IS NOT GUARAUNTEED. TRAFFIC IS NOT GUARAUNTEED.
^ I did not say you were being a bitch lol. I was quoting you and your analogy. I did not mention you were a bitch anywhere in the post.
For the record, you called me ignorant..and my minions (as if i have any lol) do you not want me to defend myself?
I can understand sharing some things to a certain degree such as sites that do not pay and are scams. I have been camming for 2 years and I had to learn everything on my own. I have been scammed and part of terrible studios. With trial and error I learned everything I needed to know on my own...
I don't see the strippers giving out secrets or saying where there is money at. If they do they are very vague. I know a lot of people are having problems with Streamate lately...it has been swelling like crazy because every girl started saying "Oh go work at Streamate the money is so easssssy to make over there"
Now for a lot of people Streamate is dead. Streamate is currently the gold rush cam girl site. I have seen a lot of girls from MFC move over there to stay. Idk I don't think anyone should just be spoon feeding lurkers or n00bs. Everyone has to learn on their own. This is just my honest opinion on how I think things should be.
I can see both the points Cyber & Hayden are making. Things do change. I mean crap for all I know in a few months from now Streamate could be totally dead and IMLIVE could actually be alive again. Who knows what the future will bring. You just have to adapt and like what Cyber said no the money is never guaranteed. We are just independent contractors at the end of the day.
Just thought I'd say:
- Splitcamming is easy to do on multiple sites if they are all paid chats or mostly paid chats (1 or 2 free chats only)
- Joining more sites and being on them concurrently is totally easy & fine if you have the proper equipment to do so (expensive internet , multiple & new computers, multiple webcams, etc.) You USED to be able to make the same amounts of money on one site alone, now that is not the case because they are oversaturated. Even girls with a large following have noticed this.
- Selling content is HUGE if you offer fetishes no one else offers (though this might be beyond most people's boundaries)
- I have no idea what the fourth question is supposed to mean
It CANNOT just simply be oh ***I*** am to blame for my lack of $$$$ this week when MAJORITY of people who cam on such-and-such site are noticing the EXACT same thing. There's only so much you can do and offer. It gets to the point where it is out of your control, and that point seems to be now.
Ha. All I know is I submitted my app to be verified a few days ago and a picture of me holding up my screen name doesn't seem so personal when I am also naked on the internet daily.
As someone who lurked here before joining, I could have been any new cam girl who never joined or had any contribution to this site and just sucked up all the information for my own good. I think it's important that if we're going to have a site where we are offering such valuable information, that some of it be left to people who actually participate, support, and contribute.
"There's only so much you can do and offer. It gets to the point where it is out of your control, and that point seems to be now."
This is my point exactly. My post was not meant to be a personal attack and I hope nobody takes it this way.
I guess my point *was* to say you can blame yourself, everything around you, right down to these very posts on stripperweb but quite possibly nobody is to blame: it is out of your control, there is nothing you can do, you can point the finger, you can blame everyone, you can blame yourself, you can blame posts, you can blame girls that give it away for free, you can blame tuebe sites.......but it truly will not help you in any way shape or form. THE MONEY IS NOT GUARAUNTEED, THE TRAFFIC IS NOT GUARAUNTEED. Due to this it is my beleif that any info posted here is technically "useless information". We can type posts until we are blue in the face but everyones experiences are different (I believe we can all agree on that) For this reason, sharing info is really NO THREAT TO ME PERSONALLY, nor do I find posts a threat to my industry, wether it be positive or negative. People have to have their own experiences to really form an opinion of any site. Wether you really want to read that much into this stuff ladies, is up to you. I like to help others and will continue to do so wether someone else wants me to or not, and nobody is gonna tell me what I can and cannot post unless it is against the rules of this site. If you think it is absolutely imparative to the future of the industry to not share any info with any one, please by all means keep the information to yourself or restricted to your "verified group" Don't hate on people who do not agree with that and come here to share and help others gasppppppp..again why forums were invented.
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