What Bugs You About Cam Sites and The People That Run Them ??
Just wondering what the main bug bearers are with Cam Sites ?
Is it the percentage you get from your earnings ?
(isn't AW the highest paid cam site @ 35% ? )
Free Chat / Free Loaders allowed to sit in your room for free all night just waiting for some other guy to tip and get the money shot for free ?
Rules on what you can and can't do / say ?
Rules on not being able to promote gifts/twitter etc ?
Be interesting to see which things bug you as cam girls and then look for the best site that caters towards US who earn the money rather than just the customer / profit ... would you switch to work for a more model friendly site or is your decisions on who to work for based on traffic ?
Mine would be :
Freeloaders in your room who never tip and sit back and wait for the money shot !
I think a site taking 70% of your earnings is so harsh - esp when they do chargebacks etc
Never had a chargeback personaly but doesnt this happen if a stolen credit card has been used, then they take your earnings back off you ? why do they do that - surely the site makes enough to suck it up - after all the models have done nothing wrong ??????
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JennaFoxx
Just wondering what the main bug bearers are with Cam Sites ?
Is it the percentage you get from your earnings ?
(isn't AW the highest paid cam site @ 35% ? )
AW only take 35% so you keep 65%. If you are on DP then you keep 59% so yes afaik AW are the highest payers, unless any girlies know different ;). I don't mind anyone having a cut as long as they are doing something to deserve it, ie promoting etc and don't forget, it costs to run these sites and keep them running, they are also like us business's and are in it to make a profit.
My bug bears:
Unclear instructions. I still can't get SM splitting with manycams :( and I really don't like their encoder.
Chargebacks: Only ever had one, although I'm not sure it was a chargeback but more a refund. The guy claimed I didn't show up for a booked show on Skype, I did, he didn't and I have all the messages I sent trying to get hold of him to prove it, both on skype and AW. AW insisted that unless we could reach an amicable solution the money would sit in a holding account. The guy wanted me to give him a show after spending 30 mins away from direct cam in the first place! Anyway I thought well if I aint getting the money neither are you and afaik the money is still sitting in that holding account!
I can't really think of anything else but if I do I will add them here.
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1. Rules - why have them if some are more important than other and some are barely enforced. Camgirls cant know which ones are a bigger deal unless they are in forums or know other camgirls. For example:
MFC: most of the rules are BS but god help you if you have a man in your room.
Streamate: ehhhh we'll deal with you getting naked, having multiple ppl not on the books being broadcast and fucking yourself for free.... eventually, maybe, eh idk it is a gamble, who knows with us!
Naked: whatever, just no men or external advertising
ImLive: good lord don't you show toys, get naked, or a pet in your screen but we'll broadcast you on Sexier where none of those rules apply.
MGF: don't do ANYTHING against the rules... EVER. we're an adult site so no public n00dz goddamnit.
2. Tube sites - I get cam sites want to make $$ but the partnership with tube sites makes me ill, advertise however you want blahblah but for fuck's sake. There are limits (see #3)
3. Piracy - itd be in cam sites best interest to try to actually get a handle on piracy, and not wait on models to do it or notice it. Depending on the site it may even be intentional (see #2). Clips4Sale has tried in the past, at least making an effort if a model brings it to your attention would be uh nice, but I won't hold my breath. Some sites do assist (clips4sale and even webcams have helped, c4s it was easier webcams was a hassle), but FFS.
4. Adult dating site scams - just stop it with the scammy partnerships in general, but the adult dating site BS is the worst. I get we sign away our copyright to our images but in what universe would a cutesy 19yr old camgirl who takes pics in perfect lighting surrounded by dildos be looking to pork a 60yr old guy for free? It scams both sides of the coin (see #5)
5. Affiliate marketing - give affiliates more options than just FREE LIVE CAMS, they aren't free and you know it. It does the models and the site a disservice to constantly use this line. I get it is to ensnare any and everyone but it is a pain in the ass to deal with as a model and has got to be frustrating for the customers.
6. Payment - in what other industry is it normal to have to pay to get paid on time? I prefer paper checks but half the sites I'm on have a terrible track record of sending them out by regular post... so FedEx costs more to "guarantee" you actually get your check. OK, let's say we don't want to spring $30-50 biweekly or weekly.. we could do wires but that is brutal $$$ and most of those outside of the "First World" have to hit a high payout to even receive it, on top of extra fees. OK, forget checks and wires... payoneer? OK, it has extra fees (and depending on the site may even have "loading" fees). I mean, the fudgecake?
7. Free chat - yes freechat can help generate more sales, but give models more options. Models would stay on longer if they can have... even breaks where they can turn it off every 10 minutes per hour even. the constant fishbowl thing can wear down even the most outgoing of people. And Im looking at you LiveJasmin for cutting the earnings of models who choose not to do freechat at all. Stop it. Customers *do* buy cam sessions without freechat, so stop making it mandatory on certain sites. Having it something to work up towards, even, if you're that averse to it. You'd get more signups and more models trying to earn that privilege.
That stuff bugs me. Freeloaders are an annoyance but they aren't a systemic problem.
(disclaimer I like my job - just airing out grievances)
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I know this is a zombie thread but i sooooo wish streamate had a 'private only' mode as well. i could last on there ALOT longer than i do. my patience with free chat is wearing thin and tons of bills are adding up. 'splitting headache' doesn't even begin to describe my time on there. if they were to give us the option to switch back and forth sometimes, i could put more hours on streamate without being so fucking burnt out so quickly. free chat is draining me so bad and i feel like i am not getting shit done. ughhgghhgghh. just needed to vent in here. sorry. rant/over blah!
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What bugs me most about camsites and the people that run them? They care little or nothing about the people actually doing work to make them $$$$.
Wait...that's true anywhere, I know, but still it goes too far in the camming world when even the customers have more info than we do.
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I hate how most cam sites have followed MFC and added in tipping. I'd disable tips if I could.
I object to the whole tipping business model - letting guys see what someone else paid for irks me to no end. One huge advantage of gold shows - at least they do get kicked out when the show starts.
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The percentage we get paid is the only part I don't like. It's depressing knowing that a guy tipped me $50 on SM and I only got $17.50 of it. Regardless, I still make a lot of money on there, so I shouldn't complain too much.
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I agree that we should keep 100% of tips. They're tips and we work EXTRA to get them. But of course SM instituted them, as it does everything else, as a way to make more profit.