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This is how to compete and make money with high extras in your club/area
Okay, I ask a lot of questions on SW so I figured it was time for another advice thread from me.
I work in Detroit metro primarily, I've also worked in Ohio (Toledo) and Louisiana (NOLA)--and done private parties in Metro Detroit and New York (Latham area).
In Detroit and the other areas I've named extras are rampant, but I've been lucky enough to figure out how to hustle and get around this so I can make money as a clean dancer--or clean by MY standards.
What I allow:
- Fully nude dances (mostly at clubs where it's legal, juice bars)
- Touching of my butt, breasts, stomach, legs (no inner thighs) for an additional fee
- Hard grinding
So competing with extras can be difficult, but when you allow high contact dances it's a little easier to sell it. If you are trying to get away with solely air dances in an area with heavy extras you will probably find it to be more trouble than it's worth mentally. You can try, and I wish you luck, but I wouldn't advise it if you are trying to make a consistent living. I'd suggest commuting or traveling to an area that is less known for extras.
With that being said, there are always customers who do not want prostitution in every club. The reasons vary, but I've found most of these guys are lonely and want a friend and a sensual experience. This is your target customer, most girls who provide extras don't want these customers because they are not willing to buy extras which means less money quickly for that dancer. They write these customers off and that is what you want. You can capitalize on this, and you have to learn to recognize these customers. From first glance it will probably be difficult, but if they look sober, somewhat nervous, and are casually dressed I've found it is less likely they will want extras.
If you are working in a high extras club the way you lead the conversation at the table should be a bit different from a normal club. You need to charm the customer, but within 1-2 minutes you should know what he is expecting. Ask him if he's visited the club before and what kind of fun he's planning on having that night. As soon as they mention extras it's probably better to excuse yourself, because these guys will usually waste your time talking and may only get 1-2 pity dances if at all because ultimately they want to get off.
When someone asks you for extras at a club that is extras ridden don't have a bad attitude unless they are very rude to you. If they are just asking what you are willing to do politely inform them that your services do not extend beyond lap dancing and sensuality. If you name call or raise your voice it makes you look bad to other customers, and you never know if that guy will bring a friend in another night who doesn't want extras. If he remembers you were mean to him he will tell his friend to stay away, but if he remembers you were polite and honest about not doing extras he might recommend you to his friend for a hot lap dance. These guys may also tip you on stage because you have a good attitude.
When you are hustling in high extras clubs the club itself knows what's going on and doesn't care what you charge for dances. They don't care about tacking on $20 to a $25 dance because girls are charging guys $100 for 2 songs while they blow them. This is your opening. A lot of these clubs have dances done in private rooms but they don't actually sell blocks of time. However, you can offer these package deals on your own!
Do the math:
5 $25 songs is roughly 15 minutes if each song is 3 minutes. This is $125. You can offer the customer a 15 minute dance in a private room/area for $100. That is a free song, $25 savings. This would be 20% off. Tell them if they buy 15 minutes worth of dances they save 20%. Tell them if they can touch your or not. Tell them you will be very sensual and that it will be quiet and private so you can get to know one another better.
Get smart with your numbers. They will do the hustling for you. When you get back there collect your funds upfront and stop the dance if they try anything repeatedly or violate you physically or mentally.
You have to be clever and outsmart the extras girls. Numbers will work on your side, and the way most clubs with heavy extras are set up will help you sell blocks of dances easier. It also leaves room for negotiation or charging more if you know/strongly feel the customer has the money.
I hope this helps some of you.
-Laurisa
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The brilliance you have, especially for your age (!!) is really showing through in your posts, Laurisa. You have learned so much in your limited time as a dancer and are totally paying it forward. Dancer education = dancer happiness.
Thanks!!
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What if touching comes standard, like at my club? I've tried the charging more thing and it has actually lost me a few sales. I've stopped charging more for touching since so many girls don't and still allow it.
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If touching is standard then you might have to bite the bullet, or you could line it up like this:
"We can go into a private room for 15 minutes, it will be $150 and that includes you touching my sexy body"
Let's say the dances were $25/song. That would be $125 for 5 songs (15 minutes), but the extra $25 in that fee comes from tacking on $5 to each dance for touching. It's a sneakier way of doing it. If the customer protests then you can say "Oh, it's just $5 more per song to touch me *wink, smile*"
Then you've made an extra $25 off touching.
You can tell them it's an extra $10 per song to touch you ($35) if they don't go for 15 minutes, so that the 15 minute private dance is the best deal. So it would be $70 for 2 dances, $105 for 3 dances, etc. 5 songs at this price would be $175. So they are saving $25. Numbers are your friend. Do the math before work but don't complicate it verbally to them.
If touching is expected in your club and guys won't pay extra I wouldn't cut many deals.
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Not everyone wants to have their boobs touched. And to do it for $125?
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Originally Posted by
Laurisa
5 $25 songs is roughly 15 minutes if each song is 3 minutes. This is $125. You can offer the customer a 15 minute dance in a private room/area for $100. That is a free song, $25 savings. This would be 20% off. Tell them if they buy 15 minutes worth of dances they save 20%.
Your post is great and has some invaluable tips and advice, but I'm not sure how I feel about the undercutting. If a club is that riddled with extras that a clean dancer can't even charge full price (especially if the extras girls are overcharging for them), then I think it's time to hightail it out of that club and into a new one!
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Stripper Hacks
Not everyone wants to have their boobs touched. And to do it for $125?
In some clubs, this is the norm. That doesn't mean you have to like it or do it, but it is very hard to sell an air dance in a high contact area. This is why Laurisa mentions in her first post that if you are not comfortable with this type of high contact, it would be better to try to travel to an area that is less known for contact/extras. Sound advice.
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that wouldn't work anywhere I've worked :( undercutting is strictly forbidden and everybody knows touching is allowed everywhere basically. And you can see it on the floor everywhere. Also, unless you speak spanish it's hard to charm the customer with your personality. Sometimes I wish I knew what I would've made had I known Spanish...
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I think some of you are missing the point.
I said an extras club. In a club where sucking and fucking is tolerated and management/staff openly uses the words EXTRA and encourages you to tip them so they turn a blind eye to you IF you do extras then they will not care if you cut a deal with a customer about dances. (i.e. buy 4, get 1 free) for example.
Extras girls dont say "oh it's $25 per song plus $200 for sex". That could wind up being $300-400. They say "it's $200 for sex"--however long that lasts is how long they stay in there. They are not selling dances, they are selling prostitution. So they are not overcharging for dances, therefore my "undercutting" is not affecting them. It is their tactics that force clean dancers to get more creative anyway.
Also, stripperhacks might as well just ignore everything I post because her input is considered trolling to me at this point. Just block me so you don't see my prostitution propaganda girl!
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Stripper Hacks
Not everyone wants to have their boobs touched. And to do it for $125?
If you don't want it then don't do it. She's not telling anyone to do anything they aren't comfortable with.
And yes, to do it for $125. Lots of girls, myself included, work in areas where boob touching is normal and expected, and trying to charge more for it is a good business strategy. Your tone here comes off as extremely insulting and condescending.
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sierra.
Your tone here comes off as extremely insulting and condescending.
it just sounds funny to me. I can just imagine someone walking around a high contact club saying "tits for 125? YEAH RIGHT!"
breast touching is something that I have always dealt with since Ontario is full contact and I started in Toronto - extras central. I find that since most of the people on this site are from the States and a lot of places in the States are non-contact girls on here see that as being the only way and take some high ground. I get that any kind of contact may be an extra to some other girls but it is perfectly natural to others.
if you don't like it, don't do it. As long as it is legal and within club rules, don't shit on other people for doing it.
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I kinda allow the same that the OP is mentioning when it comes to touching, depending the state/county laws I have to work with. There are some clubs where touching everything, but the orifices and nipples is a no, is ok while in other clubs is just air with one way contact (dancer to customer).
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luscious sadie
it just sounds funny to me. I can just imagine someone walking around a high contact club saying "tits for 125? YEAH RIGHT!"
breast touching is something that I have always dealt with since Ontario is full contact and I started in Toronto - extras central. I find that since most of the people on this site are from the States and a lot of places in the States are non-contact girls on here see that as being the only way and take some high ground. I get that any kind of contact may be an extra to some other girls but it is perfectly natural to others.
if you don't like it, don't do it. As long as it is legal and within club rules, don't shit on other people for doing it.
I think there is a common misconception that girls who allow touching or extras do it because they want to.
I allow boob touching because I know I will not be able to support myself without constantly traveling out of state if I do not do so. I'm sure extras girls feel they cannot provide for themselves without doing extras.
I'm not saying we are victims, I'm saying we are realistic about what kind of money we need to make and what we need to do to make it.
I do not allow people to fondle me because I want to be fondled, in fact, I detest it. I allow it because I have a family, a home, a car, and bellies to fill.
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Laurisa
I do not allow people to fondle me because I want to be fondled, in fact, I detest it. I allow it because I have a family, a home, a car, and bellies to fill.
Truest words to ever be spoken.
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If you're a good hustler, extras in the club should not be effecting your money.
The direst I'll get is allow a customer to touch my boob and I've worked at some BROTHEL clubs. It never discouraged me that girls were fucking for $100.
It gets kind of infuriating to listen to girls complain about extras girls because that time complaining could be bettered used making money. From my experience, the customers that spend big money are usually customers that DO NOT want extras. All the nights I make $1,500 or more, I end up chatting, drinking, and lightly dancing and that's about it.
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In my club, where boob touching and ass grabbing is pretty standard, I upsell. We have $20 topless, $40 nude, and private rooms. For me, contact goes up the more you spend. So, topless is no touching, nudes are touching but not between the legs, nor boobs or ass, and private rooms contact with ass and tits, but no Kitty. This works fairly Well for me.
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NREXM
If you're a good hustler, extras in the club should not be effecting your money.
The direst I'll get is allow a customer to touch my boob and I've worked at some BROTHEL clubs. It never discouraged me that girls were fucking for $100.
It gets kind of infuriating to listen to girls complain about extras girls because that time complaining could be bettered used making money. From my experience, the customers that spend big money are usually customers that DO NOT want extras. All the nights I make $1,500 or more, I end up chatting, drinking, and lightly dancing and that's about it.
True. That's a real spender.
Any motherfucker who thinks he's gonna get something, I just walk out and still make the money. On to the next!
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I'm sure if guys knew they couldn't get extras anywhere in the club the dynamic would be different. I had a few guys in the past two nights that got 1-2 dances from me because they liked my personality. They said they came for extras but they still wanted to spend some money on me because I was polite and sexy.
So I probably made about $100 this weekend off guys who wanted extras but I refused. Guess what? My "personality" paid my cell phone bill. I'm OK with that. The rest of my money I made off guys who didn't want extras.
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It is pointless to compete with the extras girls. Sure it affects my money but in the aspect that the custy pool drains out once I'm aware of who wants what. I allow what is in my personal boundaries, the club rules and Texas state law. Which is touching everywhere but the kitty. That's how it is, and i make money still, albeit considerably less than the fuck sluts
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I think that a lot of this advice is useful. It is possible to make money in a high extras club.
Honestly, I am going to caution you ladies, make sure your mental health is in good order. I would not have left the strip clubs if I could still work in a clean club and make money--I couldn't take the constant propositions, the groping, the cheap assholes, the insults, and oogling.
I have actually verbally assaulted men in public places because I caught them looking at me even when I was modestly dressed (long sleeve shirt, jeans). I don't think they were really checking me out in retrospect, but I was so paranoid I just snapped.
Just make sure that if you work in a high extras, high contact club that you keep your physical, emotional, and mental health in order. I'm getting further into my schooling (psychology major) and I'm hoping I can post some concrete advice about mental health and sex work very soon to help everyone on here.
Also, in about two years when I am licensed I will be offering very cheap counseling sessions to sex workers in my area. I will only be licensed in the state of Michigan, but I am considering trying to get licensed in Louisiana if it is possible so that I can offer counseling to girls on Bourbon. So at that time I will definitely make a post offering my services to anyone on stripper web that may need them. :)
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BringOnTheMen
I think it's important to realize that (at least, IME) extras girls do not make 100% of their money doing extras. A lot of their money is made by promising a naughty time (which they are able to do easily, since they are so used to selling actual extras) but giving a normal/high contact dance when the customers refuse to pay enough for whatever extras they offer. They are able to sell normal dances, so why shouldn't you?
Also.......if you are really working in a club that is completely fine with extras, then one thing that might work (but be careful with this) is offering extras at a price/conditions that very few people would accept. IE- your starting rate is $2000 for anything and everything is covered. When they refuse (again, the vast majority will refuse right off the bat, and really have someone who will pay that, then you should have been able to get clean money out of him easily before this came up!!!), then offer your "next best thing"- your extremely naughty nude rooms for $100/whatever.
My newest manager told me when he hired me that a few years ago there was a girl that was the top earner every single night and he was convinced she was hooking, so he personally watched the cameras. She was 100% clean. So he asked her how she was getting so many rooms. She told him mainly stuff that is in HH- always start your dances off tame and only get intense right before it ends. Then she would always pretend like she was JUST about to get off herself, but she needed the guy's help to help her cum during the second song/half hour/etc. So basically, the guy is getting an erotic experience that does include climaxing (which is not a typical sc experience) but in the end, he's just getting a lapdance...no dick out, no fingering, not even boob touching. Dirty talk goes a loooong way.
I can't really do any of what I just wrote out with a straight face, but for those of you that can......this information = $$$$$$. I saw many girls bank doing stuff like this. I can't even say the word "pussy" with a straight face. /worse stripper ever
This is really good advice. Girls I've seen banking (they were my 'sc friends' so I asked them what they were doing that worked) just acted really horny and totally into it, half-closed eyes and super sensual and also dirty talk. Unfortunately I feel awkward too doing this... gonna work on it and see if it really works
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BringOnTheMen
My newest manager told me when he hired me that a few years ago there was a girl that was the top earner every single night and he was convinced she was hooking, so he personally watched the cameras. She was 100% clean. So he asked her how she was getting so many rooms. She told him mainly stuff that is in HH- always start your dances off tame and only get intense right before it ends. Then she would always pretend like she was JUST about to get off herself, but she needed the guy's help to help her cum during the second song/half hour/etc. So basically, the guy is getting an erotic experience that does include climaxing (which is not a typical sc experience) but in the end, he's just getting a lapdance...no dick out, no fingering, not even boob touching. Dirty talk goes a loooong way.
I can't really do any of what I just wrote out with a straight face, but for those of you that can......this information = $$$$$$. I saw many girls bank doing stuff like this. I can't even say the word "pussy" with a straight face. /worse stripper ever
This is the same thing you do in phone sex. When my call service gave me the warning that the caller only had 1 minute left, I'd step up the sexy talk and pretend to be close, then give them my extension to call back, by the time they called back I would have ”calmed down” and we'd have to start over.
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I always upsell more contact and touching... its more than 1 song.. I wont do it unless Im getting like 3 songs or more...
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Stripper Hacks
Not everyone wants to have their boobs touched. And to do it for $125?
I LOVE working in a touch club. And yes I do it for $20 a song. I also work in an EXTRAS club and I think offering a deal is an awesome idea! Going to be doing it tonight. I was actually wondering if there were any posts touching on this subject, as I find this "darker" aspect of dancing is not often spoken about. I've danced for 5yrs in all sorts of clubs across Canada. I actually like working at the extras clubs, I find things are more laid back and not everyone in there is looking for an extra. I make excellent money there. Ya it's not the cleanest place, nor are the girls the nicest, it's usually full of pimps who stand at the back watching their girls and looking for new ones to bump, but I like the excitement and challenge. I prefer it to the stuffy "upscale" clubs in the city. But I bounce around from place to place. The thing is girls do extras at every club wether its inside or outside, so if you think that some clubs are better than others - its really no different. Quit judging others and just focus your attention on yourself!
Great POST Laurisa!!!!! Thank you!
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^^I'm still a fairly new dancer, but I think there's a HUGE difference between working in a "clean" club and working somewhere with fucking pimps in it. Actually, I think there's a big difference between working in a high extras club/area and working somewhere where pimps are not only allowed, but openly "looking for new ones to bump."