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Personally, I've experimented with low rates down to $1.99 and it never gets me more shows. All I get with prices that low are idiots and assholes...and STILL peepers! I come out broke and bitter charging such low rates. Unfortunately Streamate (and all cam sites) are riddled with guys who have no intention to pay anything at all, not even dirt low prices (which is why GOLD Shows are still so hard to get going). According to my Rate Analysis chart I make the most money when my rates are high (around $6.99/$7.99). Maybe I'm just lucky that I don't have to settle for doing cheap shows for ungrateful guys to make my money...maybe it's because I enjoy performing when I'm charging my worth and that's why I earn more...maybe it's because I become bitter and jaded when I'm charging low prices and guys STILL beg for freebies or are ungrateful for the show they are getting for that price. For whatever reason, my rates work for me. And I feel we need to be confident in whatever price we're charging in order to make good money at those rates. If you feel good about charging $1.99 then charge $1.99! If you feel good about charging $9.99 then charge $9.99! I don't think anyone is telling anyone else what they should be charging...just be confident and feel good about it and you will bring in the cash! Charge what makes you the most money in the end.
No one seemed to really get my original post when I revived this thread though. I was hoping we'd start focusing less on per minute price and focus more on what we're giving away immediately in our shows. How long does it take before you're fully nude? How long does it take before you're masturbating? Are you drawing out the tease? Are you making them pay a fair price or are you giving it ALL to them for less than $10 out of their pocket? Since I started stretching out my shows I've noticed an increase in earnings because, unless they are extremely cheap, they WILL stay long enough to see what they came to see within fair reason. I'm working on making my shows longer and trying to rid myself of the 1-2-3 minute men. Those short shows are frustrating and I'm tired of them!
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So what are you charging for this 18-25 demographic? that's pretty much the same for me.. but sometimes with health issues I want to charge more so I don't have to do as much work.. yesterday I experimented a bit between the 4.99/5.99 range for premium chat.. I was charging $7.99.. did I like making less money for more work.. not really.. but I did more paid time online yesterday also.. What are your rates? that you do well on?
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Originally Posted by
Glamourmilf
This. This entire thread is subjective, so, naturally we all have different opinions on what works for us as individuals.
I price my shows on the average age of my customers. They are between 18- 25.
So, when my rates are on the higher side, I lose them, because a lot of them are still in college, with very little disposal income.
Now, if my demographic were men over 50, ( like it is with sugaring), the sky is the limit.
I love to be busy when I'm on cam. Nothing wears me down in a show. But sitting in free chat, or on token sites when nobody is tipping, is the kiss of death for my energy.
Besides, money comes to money, meaning, that when I'm busy in shows, I'm usually always in shows.
Why? I think it was
Kortney K who said it best, "Men LOVE popular pussy." Meow
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sexysusie
For me personally I spend roughly the same time in paid regardless of my rates, so it makes far more sense to charge more.
Yes, it's true for you personally. But that is not true for everyone.
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SoloDesire
Personally, I've experimented with low rates down to $1.99 and it never gets me more shows. All I get with prices that low are idiots and assholes...and STILL peepers! I come out broke and bitter charging such low rates. Unfortunately Streamate (and all cam sites) are riddled with guys who have no intention to pay anything at all, not even dirt low prices (which is why GOLD Shows are still so hard to get going). According to my Rate Analysis chart I make the most money when my rates are high (around $6.99/$7.99). Maybe I'm just lucky that I don't have to settle for doing cheap shows for ungrateful guys to make my money...maybe it's because I enjoy performing when I'm charging my worth and that's why I earn more...maybe it's because I become bitter and jaded when I'm charging low prices and guys STILL beg for freebies or are ungrateful for the show they are getting for that price. For whatever reason, my rates work for me. And I feel we need to be confident in whatever price we're charging in order to make good money at those rates. If you feel good about charging $1.99 then charge $1.99! If you feel good about charging $9.99 then charge $9.99! I don't think anyone is telling anyone else what they should be charging...just be confident and feel good about it and you will bring in the cash! Charge what makes you the most money in the end.
No one seemed to really get my original post when I revived this thread though. I was hoping we'd start focusing less on per minute price and focus more on what we're giving away immediately in our shows. How long does it take before you're fully nude? How long does it take before you're masturbating? Are you drawing out the tease? Are you making them pay a fair price or are you giving it ALL to them for less than $10 out of their pocket? Since I started stretching out my shows I've noticed an increase in earnings because, unless they are extremely cheap, they WILL stay long enough to see what they came to see within fair reason. I'm working on making my shows longer and trying to rid myself of the 1-2-3 minute men. Those short shows are frustrating and I'm tired of them!
About how long do you tease before you start the show? Sometimes I have quite a few guys that literally seem like they come for the tease. Once they see the bits they are all done and saying thank you. I don't want to drag it out to long and risk them getting mad or something though, ya know?
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anonymous camgirl
So what are you charging for this 18-25 demographic? that's pretty much the same for me.. but sometimes with health issues I want to charge more so I don't have to do as much work.. yesterday I experimented a bit between the 4.99/5.99 range for premium chat.. I was charging $7.99.. did I like making less money for more work.. not really.. but I did more paid time online yesterday also.. What are your rates? that you do well on?
Babe, it really doesn't matter what I charge.
Our hustles are so opposite, they're not even in the same stratosphere.
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CocoaBunni
About how long do you tease before you start the show? Sometimes I have quite a few guys that literally seem like they come for the tease. Once they see the bits they are all done and saying thank you. I don't want to drag it out to long and risk them getting mad or something though, ya know?
Personally I take at least 5 minutes before I'm totally nude. I just tease with each body part (ass, legs, stomach, tits, pussy in panties) and drag out the suspense. I take my top off around 2 or 3 minutes. I give them enough to keep them turned on without having to drop all my clothes immediately. I don't even spread my pussy until the 6 or 7 minute mark. If they stay that long then I really turn up the heat. Exclusive shows I move much quicker if they are asking for certain things. They get to control the show when they're paying my exclusive rate. Move at a pace you're comfortable with and it gets easier to stretch it out longer as you get better at the tease.
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Magical_Hoohah
Anyhow, the idea was that you divide your day into three parts, whether by time or money goal is up to you. Then your rates increase for each third of the day.
Part one is ideally a rate that is low enough that you do pretty brisk business, and guys feel that they're getting an early bird special of some kind. It shouldn't be so low that you feel uncomfortable with charging too little, overwork yourself, or have a bunch of "3 dildos in ass and fist pussy bb?" guys. It's a fine line to walk, but you can adjust from day to day until you find a sweet spot.
The benefit of part one is that you get a lot of shows while you're energetic at the beginning, and you gain momentum right off the bat. You'll also have the chance to get some money out of the guys that aren't total cheapos, but can't quite afford your standard rates.
Part two is your normal rates. The amount of shows should still be pretty steady, but not as high as before. This is the time for middle of the road spenders.
Part three is for higher rates, and it's a good time to test out rates that you aren't sure anyone will pay. The amount of shows should decrease quite a bit, but since you worked hard earlier, that's probably a relief. It's the time for slowing down and catching whales.
The plan works best if you have a consistent schedule. Over time, guys that want/need lower rates will learn to show up earlier in your shift and keep you busy during the first third of the day. Whales that want you all to themselves will learn to wait and catch you later in your shift, when you aren't in and out of private the whole time, and they don't have to scramble to get an exclusive with you.
I did something like this before and forgot about it until reading your post! I had good results, so I think I will give it another try.
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Coincidentally, I was reading this thread while I was shaking my ass on cam and another model came in and called me greedy. I told her, ' No, I just know my worth, hunny." and banned her. Who does that??
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Im one of the ones who has lower rates than some others but i also like others have had a good experience with it and i stay busy constantly majority of the time. I just prefer to be busy rather than sit but this is just my preference and i have experimented with higher rates but found my sweet spot so to speak for me and whats works best for me. I just prefer to do it this way and i get alot of men who are repeat customers with my price range. I have just found what works for me and stick with it, i am happy with where i am at and i am able to make my daily and weekly goal majority of the time. I dont knock anyone who charges higher thats awesome, but i found that it works the opposite for me and im happy at the end of the night with what i make and as long as i make my goals im good. I say do what works best for you and what makes you happy.
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My rates are medium on SM cause that's what people are willing to pay ME, if i increase them they stop taking me pvt/excl and i am not a gold show model to compensate for the loss of income so yeah, i stay at $3.99 pvt/$5.99 excl.
People talk alot about working with high rates in here but do u guys not take into consideration the very cheap gold shows or even the zero gold shows? The models offering them have a different hustle and for them it's working to do cheap or zero gs's & some of them even bank doing these shows so realistically means high rates are not the only way....
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When I first started camming, I didn't even realize what my rates were because I was with a studio that guaranteed a certain amount per hour of paid chat. Now I realize how screwed I was out of a decent and well-deserved rate for popularity at the time. It ended up being less than 80 per hour. The upside was that shows during this time were before gold was introduced, so I was in shows quite often, and long ones... My average per day ended up being similar if not more than what I was earning as a stripper at the time, so I wasn't really complaining. Now that I know better, I'm kind of pissed, but also left to deal with that lingering consequential "what if" you know? Lower rates for my popularity at the time worked when I didn't know I could raise them and guys would pay them, but also traffic was a lot different then. I guess it really depends on too many factors to give any definitive yes or no from anyone on here.. You really have to experiment but also just educate yourself (perusing these forums should help a LOT!) and check the rate analysis on SM if you're on there and those kinds of tools that are available to you. I didn't utilize those tools because I didn't understand them... I use the rate analysis on SM to figure out where I get the most Exclusive shows since I don't have gold shows either.. I hate premium and only stay in it for longer than 10 minutes when multiple guys come through and take over the show from one another when I'm lucky where as back in the day, it was never a problem, so I don't like premium sessions unless I'm offering discounts that week for marketing (I keep premium higher than exclusive by multiple dollars)
Good luck, and I hope you find what works best for you. These forums have the best insight and definitely take what you can from them!
EDIT: I should add, I tend to compare camming and strip clubs only for analogous purposes here, so please just stick with me here... I use to work at clubs where dances were $20-$40 for the same no contact dance I would perform at another club a few years later post-recession where they started at $5. $5 fucking dances. $5 for 3-3.5 minute songs. The clubs where dances cost more, I was earning LESS than when I worked at the club (and yes, as the new girls, but also consistent hours and schedule and work ethic) with $5 per dance. I was actually earning double at the $5 club than the $20 and definitely more than the $40 ones because I was busier more consistently and guys were more willing to tip on top of the base price. I've noticed a similar trend with camming and rates, but also because I don't have gold shows, to upsell blocks of time to make up for it. The block of time might fuck me over if the guy were going to purchase 30 straight minutes of my minute rate, but at least after they blow their load, I get the 30 minute rate regardless. Same with guys at the club who might have $500 to spend on the hour with you, but only do spend that when they think they're getting a discount (and usually, they are, but at least you know you're getting the full $500 instead of $120 knowing damn well he would have spent the rest in an extended show...see where I'm going with this?) A higher per minute doesn't always equate more money and a lower rate doesn't always equate more per shift, it just depends on what you want out of your work experience on a more consistent basis, perhaps?
Hope I wasn't rambling, just trying to offer some more experience chat etc
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Ivyadams you seem so sweet love reading your posts and you made a great point as well in your post about the men who tip into gold shows and in free chat, i myself have many men who do just that they tend to enjoy that more than pvts. I dont do alot of gold shows as i prefer to do more pvts and exclusives but i agree with the goldshows they can be very lucrative because for some men thats all they can afford. When i do gold shows i tend to get quite a few who become my biggest spenders in exclusive. In my experience i have gained quite a few money men who now only do exclusives where as they did gold shows only. I am like you i try to offer as much as i can to appeal to many different men with different price ranges because not everyone can afford alot. In my experience majority of men have a budget and can only spend so much so i try to sell each and every one who comes in. I like your style offering so much more. I love the diversity of it all, and this forum is amazing with all the knowledge and input each and every one of you give. Thanks to you all i love reading what others say. Hope you all find what works best for you and you maximize your earnings no matter how you decide to do it, i love that everyone is different and each persons hustle is different thats what makes each and everyone of you amazing regardless of your prices. Find what you think is best for you and make what you think you deserve.I know my self worth and it isnt based upon my per min rate. I am quality at whatever rate i decide to charge and so are each and everyone of you. I wish everyone the best in whatever you decide to charge.
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You've brought up a very important point here that we can forget at times. We have to remember the cost of running our business and getting a good return on investment.
The equipment, upgrades to the computer, bills for the high-speed internet (things we otherwise wouldn't spend on) along with the outfits, makeup etc.. And there's the time and energy we put in outside the actual camming (social media marketing etc) all have to be calculated when working out the minute rates.
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hyori
I love all the discussion here!
The majority of the population is middle income so of course you want that demographic. You want to put out a product that has value so that you are perceived as a luxury product but priced just right. For me $1.99 won't work especially since I have invested so much in my own brand and marketing. Since I am going for the highballers, I need to make sure I am seen as a high end product. I cam with a $2K camera with an expensive high end camera lens. I also have a killer desktop. I made sure my surroundings are also just as high end as my equipment. I feel justified pricing myself on the higher end and it's not just because I think I'm personally worth it but also because of the overhead that I have invested in to make sure my customers are getting the very best experience.
Charge what you feel is right for you and go after the customer you want. I've found my niche.
I make on average $100 an hour sometimes more but rarely less. I only cam 2-3 hours a day on up to 4 different sites and during daytime hours, (which I've been told are the slowest hours). If you would like to see my average earnings feel free to PM me.
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No matter where you stand on the issue..at the end of the day we're all making more than them civilian hating ass hoes, so who cares? #bossbitchesunite
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PhatGirlDynomite!!!
I love that!!! so true.
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Not sure how I missed this thread.
But here is my Essay of an input
While everyone has their own strategy, business plan, goals etc
There is a huge difference in being cheap and being inexpensive.
Adult work should never be cheap it is a privilege to indulge with Cam models and its Free 99 to masterbate alone.
Some of the same guys who want to make a deal with you, complain about your prices, etc are the same guys who go to the store just fine and buy things. I doubt they ask can I get this for half today????
I work it all Token sites, Indy private, phone, sexting, clips/vids, selling panties, virtual gfe etc.
When one is slow, I may focus on the other or advertise more about the one that is slow, brainstorm on more ideas to pick it up.
But I do not lower prices for the sake of maybe its to high.
I never think that, my thoughts are how do I get the people who have no problem paying for what offer to actually purchase (usually means they just need to see me or here what im offering)
Prime example last week and half has been slow on my token sites.
Was I going to lower my prices heck no! I just tweaked my strategy a bit.
I ended up spending less time online and focused on my pso (which was crazy good) sold more snaps. Was only taking indy shows.Regulars and barely spenders reached out to me often. On my snap and twitter I mentioned where they could find me.
I offered incentives for offline tips as well.
I made my goals most days and then some.
My business plan, "hustle" so to speak is that this is not a part time, seasonal job , it is my business. I invest in it financially, mentally and physically and expect a high return.
I understand while try outers, or occasional cam ladies may not get the jist of as a whole charging a beneficial rate. They want to come in make some "quick" money (relatively speaking).
Full timers, career cam ladies I beg to differ in a low ball rate. It is definitely your choice to charge whatever you see fit. But if every single cam ladies rate average a certain let's say "status quo" the I could get a show for some low ball price elsewhere would be insubstantial.
It reminds me of when I used to dance and had to compete with the "extra" girls, when I first started I thought how can I compete with someone doing any and everything for $50- $100 and I'm trying to sell $10-$25 dances. So, I did not compete, I focused on making my money and focus on the clients who came there for not just the one dance but an experience so to speak I ended up raising my dance prices from the club's and still did great.
Regardless of what the next person is charging. I charge what I am comfortable with. It also goes in line with my branding when I make certain "expensive items" available.
I also have the set up as most businesses.
I have a rate where it is not technically my lowest rate I would accept. So when I want to offer discounts, specials etc it is not so much as a discount on my end.
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xxxluv
my business plan, "hustle" so to speak is that this is not a part time, seasonal job , it is my business. I invest in it financially, mentally and physically and expect a high return.
#preach
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The debate on whether 'Quality vs Quantity' is 'better' has been going on in the business world since time immemorial, it definitely isn't reserved to the world of cam girls. ;)
The reason the debate is still going on is because both tactics are completely valid.
Which is 'best' for you simply boils down to personal choice.
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But this discussion was posted to advise girls to stop being cheap in PRICE, because it cheapens our industry. Doesn't matter how 'high quality' you think you are, if you're charging cheap prices they are still cheap. You could start a "please stop being so expensive" thread, but i don't think it would have the same impact.. except for the cheap guys, who would love it ;)
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Experimenting with this again. The first time I raised my rates I actually experienced even more guys coming into my chat and taking me to pvt. I've since lowered my rates since I haven't been showing my face for a long time but I have nothing to lose as I'm in a very stable position in my life so I'll raise them again and see how it goes! High rates are so gratifying. Will not be jumping to any conclusions until I've also revamped my profile however... That's long overdue and will draw new attention.
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My humble opinion is that I think the miscommunication problem that is occurring in this thread is that its original intent and its revival came from two different 'specific' viewpoints and two different periods of time even though it is all held together by one generalized and overall idea.
Its original intent was to ask camgirls to sit down and analyze why it is that they charge what they charge. Is it because they believe themselves to not be worth it at a self-confidence level or is it from a point of 'good business'?
Its revival from the dead was to ask camgirls to sit down and analyze their camshows instead of their rates and to ask them if they are thinking about them from a place of 'good business' or if they are just rushing through them lack of self-confidence in their own skill level.
Some people are answering the question from the past, some people are answer the present question and some of us are just overjoyed to see people asking such great questions. ;)
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^^^ I agree. Don't let this thread devolve into a back-and-forth bitch-fest please because I personally love reading about different prices/hustles working for different ladies, don't forget each and every one of us is unique and that is why the guys love us, the world would be boring if we were all the same!
I'm in the expensive camp but only because they work for me, another lady could have my rates and do worse or even better than me as I stated before just because I am on the more expensive side does not make me a great camgirl, my personality is what has brought me my success not high rates.
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If you are going to price yourself low you really need to have the backbone to put up with the ratchet customers. Same with charging high. The thing is if I'm going to get bullshit and trolling, I may as well charge high.
Slowing your show down while charging low will make some guys leave a bad rating. Instead, just tell them your rates are high because you get right to business, there is no stalling. I respect their needs and budget and I don't have to be manipulative. Guys come fast when they masturbate, that's just the way they are built. Unless they are asking for an edging show, I get right to the meat and potatoes. Men equate more money with better quality. Men will pay outrageous amounts of money for rare collectibles, cars, car parts, sports memorabilia, name brand clothing etc., regardless of how much they make themselves. These are all things that are luxury items. Porn is luxury is it not? Men love sex. They need to respect it just as much as their rare collectibles, cigars, scotch etc.
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Well said sweetie i agree completely.
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Originally Posted by
sexysusie
But this discussion was posted to advise girls to stop being cheap in PRICE, because it cheapens our industry. Doesn't matter how 'high quality' you think you are, if you're charging cheap prices they are still cheap.
But if you are doing well--consistently staying busy with high quality customers and making more money the higher your rates are--are the lower-priced girls really cheapening the industry? It doesn't sound like they are negatively impacting business at all.
Different girls are going to have different price points for a variety of different reasons, I don't think it makes sense to tell total strangers what they should be charging. Different types camgirls are going to have different types of customer bases. Not every girl is going to do well at 9.99/min for a variety of reasons and not every customer is going to be able to spend 9.99/min for a variety of reasons. If all camgirls raised their rates to 9.99/min I don't think they're all magically going to triple their income, and I do think a whole demographic of customers would vanish.