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you know what pisses me off about this thread....lol i have my rates across the board 4.99 a min.. whether im listed as a pornstar or not... i said ill give sm the ol college effort an that day/ that first check i charged 2.99 then went up to 3.04 it was crickets.. those reg folks that spent 20 plus mins just walking in and out my rm like they can't see me because of a fuckin nickle lmao i was pissed that day but whatever) but now that trial/teaser period is up i have set my shit to 3.49/4.99 exclusive.. now i got to sit thru the cheap regs goin in and out...the cheap ones complaining..and the once every blue moon folks come in and leave b4 2mins smh.. mayb they waiting for me to drop my shit but it aint happening.. it was stupid of me in the first place to price that way knowing the stripper code is to aim high..then maybe slowly decrease to ur 2nd choice lol.... it just burns my biscuits...
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I just went back and read my 10:01 PM post in this thread. I wasn't trying to be rude when I made my "blah, blah, blah" comment.....I hope no one thinks that. :)
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This has felt kind of tricky for me because I don't have the HD encoder, and I can't speak on cam. However, I HAVE just raised my prices to 3.54 for premium and 4.54 for exclusives.
I still put a hell of a lot into my shows and treat my clients extremely well. I don't want to go over-board with my prices right now because I DO want to charge more when I have MORE to offer (e.g. HD, voice and a wider array of costumes and lingerie).
I want to work towards that, and if I just set my prices to the highest now, I'll feel like it wouldn't be worth raising them when I have more to offer.
I love this thread though!! Thank you for the encouragement. I tip my tits to you Fridays! :D
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I have to say, I do find it very frustrating and irritating when I see the thousands of girls on AW charging .60 and .90 credits per minute. They've brought the whole industry down.
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I have been inspired by this thread and raised my exclusive price up just the tiniest bit yesterday. ;)
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Originally Posted by
Fridays
I was trying to post last night and I could not, site the would not load.
I am so happy you ladies are considering keeping your prices at a decent level.
Sam was saying:
what do u want to be an expensive hoe or a cheap one"?
Ill add:
" what do u want them to think u are.. a smart hoe or a dumb hoe"
How can people say you are smart choosing this job, if you sell yourself so damn short? There is no way in hell.
I wanted to say this:
If in the eyes of the society we are " degrading " ourselves... then at least lets not degrade ourselves for pennies ! (-->this would mean degrading ourselves TWICE lol )
Aka the shows that are $2 for 10 minutes.. $1 for 5 minutes.. In these cases the guys are paying not literally but practically pennies! and its not alot of pennies either ...
God forbid I will ever be told in real life " hey., I saw one of your shows" at least I want to be able to say " yeah, but you paid out the ass for it, and so did the other 50 people that day"
The hard time alot of us experience telling friends and family about this is ( in my opinion) because we dont have that much to show in return. And the only thing we can show in return is how much $$ we made.
"Im a cam girl and I only get by.. I pay my bills and go out once in a while"
big deal! everybody with a job does that.
We have to be able to say " Im a cam girl and I make 6 figures a year !! ( yes BustyAmerica :P )
I was really close to that last year, this year not so much because I took too much time off. But.. It is possible and it is possible only with decent- high prices.
:)
ok done :writing:
Thank you so much for this inspiring post. I really enjoyed reading it. :heartbeat
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I feel a sudden need to play devil's advocate...please please read this as an addition to a discussion, and not necessarily what I, personally do. I have said before, my rates on SM are around $4 pvt and $5 exc (just under)...
I agree totally that some girls just give away WAAAAY too much, especially in gold shows and on MFC....I've seen gold shows with a $5 buy in that get not only the show, but a set of videos - full penetration hardcore videos for $5?? When we get 35% of that??
However, when it comes to price per minute rate, I also see the other side of things. I see total newbs who have no idea what they are doing (seriously, none) but who are charging $5 a min and more...or asking 500tkns for a flash....these girls are sitting, not made up, no effort at all put in, bad lighting, lagging cam, watching tv and not interacting, and then bitching out customers "I'm totally worth it. FU you cheap freeloader."
These girls do harm to our industry too - they give us a bad name too!! No, the gal with years experience, a great show, running the encoder and with fantastic lighting should not be charging $1.99 a minute. Similarly, the girl with no clue, nothing phenomenal to offer and shitty, entitled attitude, should NOT be starting off charging $5 a minute. This is a great way to piss guys off and send em back to red tube.
This issue works both ways, ladies...lets remember that.
*hunkers down and waits for the grenades...
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Originally Posted by
Fridays
Those little " bad things" . bad camera lighting, not interacting, or whatever ARE what makes some models more...."girl next door".. the girl next door has no idea what to do.. and some guys seem to enjoy that. when I first started on a particular site I was telling everyone " im new! I have no idea what to do, teach me.... oh.. u cant see well? sorry , let me adjust the light!" ( I wasnt new at all LOL, just the game I was playing)....
Now if they do it all the time, if they refuse to come to terms to whats seems to be the norm on the sites ( nice camera, lighting, etc).. then they are bip bip bip and to each their own.
but regardless:
I believe every woman worths at least 500 tok ( $ 25).. or $5/min to show their boobs. I really do.
Its not the lighting ( no one really sits in the dark on cam... ), its not the " not interacting ( hell some guys could care less for that too... dont they come privates and and ask for toy play in the first minute? 9 out of 10 Do!).............
Its paying to see a piece of YOU.
its paying to take some of your precious time.
Its paying to possible harm u ( videos uploaded on Free sites, perpetually forever).
How much should they pay for that?
How much do you think you worth?
and I can bet lots of the models who charge really Low think they worth more too.
Its just that they lack the confidence to demand it.
Demand it ladies. Act and look professional and demand it.
Dont be shy.
You are worth it.
To be clear - I'm not talking about girls who maybe don't have studio lighting and "stripper makeup" and who are quiet or shy. The girl (and persona) you just described works very well, and is indeed work. These girls are still "acting and looking professional" as you put it.
I'm talking about the girls with an AWFUL attitude and apparently no skills in the industry. No apparent personality, entitled attitude, and no care at all going into themselves. (You can be very girl next door and still look clean, for gods sake)
I see a lot of new girls that seem to assume that they should get $5+ JUST for having boobs. No personality, so service, no work ethic. Just come here, pay this price, and shut the fuck up while you pay me. (I'm also not talking about women who have the "bitchy persona" as a thing, just for the record) I see a lot of these girls on MFC especially, who see the top earners, and then expect to get what they get without putting in the work.
I would love to think that we are all worth FAR MORE than what we charge. But at the same time, we have to be aware of the industry as a whole. In many US clubs, $25 will get you a 4min lap dance! And on a site where a tenth of that is often the norm for a quick flash, asking for 500 right off the bat IS unreasonable. And $5 a minute is $300 an hour - there are fantastic, high-class escorts who charge that....so expecting to charge that right off the bat when you aren't giving the great service that comes from months and years of honing your skills, again, is not reasonable for the industry. Note - that phrase "for the industry" is incredibly important. Am I, and is my body, worth $300 an hour? Hell no - its worth thousands!! Is my time worth more than $5 a minute? Of course it is!!
But if I was a junior associate in a law firm, I wouldn't be charging what the senior partner does, because I don't have the skills and experience.
I think that there is a fine line between bringing down the industry by giving it away (or nearly that), and failing in the industry because of charging what "top girls" are charging when you are unable to offer the service that "top girls" offer.
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I think that the girls charging "too much" are less of a concern then girls charging too little. If a girl really sucks that badly and is overcharging, few people are going to hire her services and she will most likely never become popular or well known, thus affecting the industry image way less than a top girl who is charging nothing. A poor performer who is charging too much will most likely get a reality check and either lower her prices or give up. If she's charging high prices, getting regular customers and getting high ratings, she's probably doing something right.
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Originally Posted by
amberose
I think that the girls charging "too much" are less of a concern then girls charging too little. If a girl really sucks that badly and is overcharging, few people are going to hire her services and she will most likely never become popular or well known, thus affecting the industry image way less than a top girl who is charging nothing.
Spot on, girlfriend.
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As long as gold shows are still going on, customers and girls will always be cheap regardless of their group/premium rates. Rates are all a lost cause, so you can only worry about your own.
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Originally Posted by
amberose
I think that the girls charging "too much" are less of a concern then girls charging too little. If a girl really sucks that badly and is overcharging, few people are going to hire her services and she will most likely never become popular or well known, thus affecting the industry image way less than a top girl who is charging nothing. A poor performer who is charging too much will most likely get a reality check and either lower her prices or give up. If she's charging high prices, getting regular customers and getting high ratings, she's probably doing something right.
To an extent, absolutely!! But at the same time, it needs to be mentioned when people are being encouraged to start at really high rates - make sure you are doing your job to the best of your ability first!!! Don't expect what your performance doesn't deserve!! (that said, anyone reading this has obviously found SW, so is probably well on the way to making their performance wonderful...or is already a great and successful performer!)
I'm also a big fan of figuring out the peak rate - there is no point to leaping in at $7 a minute and doing relatively well, if you could be charging $4 a minute and taking home double the pay!! I'm a big fan of starting at a reasonable level and building up...and as long as no-one is starting at less than $3 a minute, I don't think its going to have a huge impact on the industry.
Also - as everyone has said - the guys that will happily pay higher rates don't care if someone else is paying less. All of these guys are paying for porn to start with...I'm just thrilled that they aren't all expecting it to be free, courtesy of all the tube sites. Those are a a bigger problem for the industry than all the $1-a-min girls could ever be.
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Edit: This is not for the foreign models who cant do better.
That I got. They cant do better. To them $1 is God on Earth.
This is for the US/UK/Canada ladies who speak perfect English and CAN do better.
Well...this part bothered me...it was kinda racist ;) I am from Eastern Europe and i worked on Streamate for 3 years.I do really good there and my prices are not low (3.99/min in premium chat and 4.99 on exclusive),in gold shows I used to charge 5$/5 min and my goal was 70$ - I dont like to do longer gold shows)...I CAN DO BETTER :) actually i stay around 4 hours/day and 4 days/week and I gain around 1000$.Dont like to brag but I really had to explain it so you can understand that "other foreign girls" are not stupid at all.In fact I speak English very well.
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that's not the people that she's talking about though. If you can speak perfect English you have an advantage over the girls who can't interact with the men in that way. As well, US money means more over there than it does here so even if girls are only making like, 50cents a minute that's still an okay amount of money to them.
so basically, I see where you're coming from but you are not who she is addressing.
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Originally Posted by
Cris*girl
[U]
Well...this part bothered me...it was kinda racist ;).
I sincerely apologize if you felt offended, not my intention at all! :)
We are all beautiful women .Does not matter were we come from and what color of skin.
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Originally Posted by
Fridays
I went to bed after I wrote the last post on this thread and I had a nightmare about camming LOL.. it was something about a show being canceled and people being mean in the room hahah!
Anyway.
Thank you thank you thank you for all the replies that agree to this topic.
Hopefully this will get other models thinking.
This job is nothing different then a real life business.
If you had a real life business ( maybe some do , and can back me up), you would see that you can not cater to people who can only afford $10, if your service is $50.
You will go out of business Quick!
In camming this translates to this:
Your expenses are :your bills, your food, your entertainment ( we need that !), etc etc.. + your savings ( retirement) + your risk of destroying your own life ( what if something happens and U cant cam, U need to get a real job and no one will hire you because they find out what u used to do? its a possibility) + the pain in the ass future when you eventually have to explain your dear ones (family, kids) what u used to do ( very possible that U will get there)... and other expenses I dont wanna make this so long
Your income is...............?
You are the only one who knows this answer, but it better be a good one.
It better be a number that wil make you say ( and be honest to yourself) .. It was worth it!
All this bla bla is nothing new to anyone here.
Its just sometimes I feel ( based of what I see) that we need to be reminded of whats real.
Sometimes we get lost in our little routine and forget whats important.
And that is :
We are beautiful human beings,worthy of the best that life has to offer.
But how do we get there? By knowing that. If you dont know it, its ok, learn it. If you know it, tell it to others so they know it too.
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some loosers ( cant I cant name them anything else) were complaining the other day that $6 is too much... that $9 is too much for my shows.
I told them " my dog has food worth more then $9!!
another time I told them " my 2 garbage bins are worth more the $6 if recycled"
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Sometimes I go and browse other girls for a bit JUST to see what they ;re charging and do u know why.... Because if the ones that charge" alot" raised their prices, I will raise it too!, Im not gonna be left behind. LOL
and I see the $2 shows and it literally hurts me and I exit out of there faster then I got in. I dont even care what they do for the $2. I dont care how beautiful they are. LOW self esteem is UGLY. Snap out of it! You can do it!
This has nothing to do with a fan base. Nothing to do with being new.
Do it from the start. Do it NOW! Dont tell me you think you worth 30 cents to do anal. Are you drinking something ? lol
Do you know that ALL the members who pay pennies for your shows ( if you charge low prices), just paid at least $5 to get their garbage removed from their home? Most members who pay for our shows, DO HAVE THE MONEY! They do! They would not be on a paid adult site if they did not... Never assume they dont have the money.. never never never.
Can i steal your expenses/ income thing and make a thread about it? I want to know why other girls will say it was worth it. When i first started the only reason it was worth it was bc i could afford a gym membership and cell phone plan, now what makes it worth it is because im saving up to buy a house within the next year...and buying your first house BY YOURSELF (my bf is a bum -_-) at 21 with a child? I'm quite proud of that :)
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msmochaxx
Can i steal your expenses/ income thing and make a thread about it? I want to know why other girls will say it was worth it.
LOL Im not sure if ur being sarcastic, but either way... u can do whatever u want as long as ur not stealing my money:D lol jk
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Originally Posted by
CherryBomb69
I have to say, I do find it very frustrating and irritating when I see the thousands of girls on AW charging .60 and .90 credits per minute. They've brought the whole industry down.
There are a lot unfortunately. The great thing is though the first thing guys see when looking at the webcam page is featured girls, nearly all of whom are UK/ US and all charge £1.50+, so it sets their expectations. I've also had far less guys on AW ever so much as quibble my prices, than on sm.
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Everytime I see this thread I raise my prices lol....It worked to my advantage last night...I attracted a better and more respectful clientele and made passed my daily goal with extra to spare ;) yayyy
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You guys are right. I took me less than a week to realize this. I set my price at the highest possible and that's where it stays. If they can't "afford" it then they go somewhere else. I get people coming back for long shows and they aren't full of bullshit. They seem to be pretty decent, respectable customers who enjoy the cam shows and don't haggle me. I love in free chat when people are like "I'd love to take you pvt but you are soooooo expensive". Finally after one guy kept complaining I said "Why are you here? Go to a tube site if you want free porn" and he left lol. Probably went to bug another cam model.
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Originally Posted by
lolabunny
Everytime I see this thread I raise my prices lol....It worked to my advantage last night...I attracted a better and more respectful clientele and made passed my daily goal with extra to spare ;) yayyy
Do you think high prices help to weed out the people who pirate videos?
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Nothing weeds out pirate vids...they have the money to buy many. Smile for the camera bb...seriously I always try to in case someone is recording at least they throw my shit out there and I look good :)
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Originally Posted by
Fridays
LOL Im not sure if ur being sarcastic, but either way... u can do whatever u want as long as ur not stealing my money:D lol jk
No i wasnt being sarcastic lol I'm making the thread now lol
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ok so I read and read this thread when I can ....I charge 5 bucks for private 10 for exclusive. Yeah at first ppl complain but ehummmmm...if your mother was...yeah so stfu:) Im such a bitch to customers that are rude about my rates. Like stated before we are a luxury also meaning I am not your sex slave. I will wipe ur 100 buck limited in 20 min or less..you better upgrade that limit brotha. I like having multiples in private that is where the bank is. Last night I had 6 men in pv..all stayed a good amount of time..I may have perved them too hard I am a dirty bitch and like to test limits. 6x5 and a grand total of 42 mins in private..sum where in and out but those 6 stayed most the time. sometimes I turn off exclusive bc they are min men.