Do you try to "make up" hours/days of work?
...Like for instance I schedule myself to work Sun, Tues, Wed, Thurs and Sat each week. If I don't come in one day for whatever reason, I try to make up the hours by working a longer shift next time. I do this a lot! And now I have 35 hours to make up :boggled: I'm hoping to do this as a sort of punishment for skipping. But sometimes I get lazy with this by thinking "oh I'll just work more hours the next time".
Anyone do the same...Does it work for you?
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I used to always tell myself this. I'd even get my friends in on it - "Ok, guys, I'm gonna stick around and drink tonight instead of going into work but you HAVE to make sure I go in Thursday to make it up." Yeah, yeah, they don't care enough to make me go.... lol
I don't think I ever managed to go in on my "make-up" day. But knowing that encouraged me not to skip (I rarely did anyway) because I knew damn well I wasn't gonna "make it up" haha
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Seems like a good incentive to stick to your schedule but I wouldn't stick to it so much to the letter that I'm tracking how many hours I "owe" myself - especially up to 35! The beauty of this job is that it can be flexible, so there's no reason to beat yourself up over skipping shifts if you're still making enough money to pay your bills.
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I never use going to work as a "punishment." I'm afraid then I'll grow to hate it or resent it. If I'm not feeling it, I won't go in and I'll be productive in another area of my life. By the next day, I'll miss it so much that I'll gladly go in :-)
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Hah! My club forces girls to make up days.
It's lame---
We have schedules.
Schedules are submitted 2 weeks in advance.
3 days are required.
If I schedule myself for 4 days--- and I miss one---- the club requires that I make up the day. Ugh.
Since then I only schedule myself for the minimum and pop in on the days I feel like working.
At least they don't make me pay missed shift fees like some clubs.
But still---- LAME!
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I only try to make up days if I hadn't made the $ I need for the week. If I made it in two out of the three days then I don't worry about it.
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I don't do this but I need to! Tips needed lol. I missed Fri/Sat this weekend but I'm going to pull a double tomorrow.
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I don't see how independent contractors have to make up hours.
Seriously I can't imagine spending 12-15 days a month in strip club.
Longer shift? What like six hours?
Working 35 hours a week sort of defeats the purpose of getting naked for money.
You get naked for money so that you DON'T HAVE TO WORK 35 HOURS A WEEK.
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Stripper Hacks
I don't see how independent contractors have to make up hours.
Seriously I can't imagine spending 12-15 days a month in strip club.
Longer shift? What like six hours?
Working 35 hours a week sort of defeats the purpose of getting naked for money.
You get naked for money so that you DON'T HAVE TO WORK 35 HOURS A WEEK.
Oh dear..... where do I begin?
The legal loopholes clubs use are whack. We are classified as independent contractors, yes. That just means that the club doesn't have to pay us a wage. That we get no benefits (insurance etc.). We basically get diddly-squat.
We get no workers compensation if we are injured on the job but some legal precedents have been set regarding that particular issue (http://www.noiw.org/newsstories/stripper.html).
One pole-happy dancer at my club did hurt herself once and luckily recovered. However, when she joked with the manager regarding the incident and said-- "If I hurt myself bad, the club would have to pay me a lot of $$$$$ for my pain/suffering/bills. *teehee*" The manager went off on her saying that since she is an independent contractor, the club has no responsibility to do anything for her. He finished by saying "As an independent contractor all you get is the privilege of paying your house fee and having me (the manager) yell at you."
Legally speaking, I'm not well versed in whether or not a club can force dancers to work for any amount of time, for any specific number of days, to make up days, to get penalized for missing days, or anything of the sort. I doubt that they can.
BUT----
Clubs do this.
And any dancer working in that sort of club has the ability to take it or leave it. Either they choose to follow the "rules" and work there. Or else, they're fired.
Simple as that.
As for shift length, my club has shifts that range from 8-10 hours on the week days and 6 hours on Sunday. If you come in late for your shift you are fined (we just call it "pay extra") and usually girls don't really have the option to leave before 2am on a day when the shift starts at 6pm. The ones that came later (8-9pm) are encouraged to stay till the end of the night.
35 hours a week is doable. A couple of times I worked for 6 days--- I'll average that out to a 50-54 hour work week.
I get tired just thinking about it.
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Stripper Hacks
I don't see how independent contractors have to make up hours.
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Here is a great article from SWAAY--- http://www.swaay.org/stripping.html
Legal, labor, and other issues
Typically, strippers are described as independent contractors; however many argue that strippers (specifically those that work in strip clubs) should be considered employees, as they are required to adhere to the club's rules. This has long been a grey area and a subject of heated debate within the industry, with strippers themselves divided on both sides of the issue.......
There's more on the site.
I think it is fair to say that club rules and legal definitions generally don't match up. All I know is that everything overwhelmingly favors the clubs, not the strippers in my neck of the woods.
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This has long been a grey area and a subject of heated debate within the industry
What grey area?
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/...179115,00.html
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Sophia_Starina
Hah! My club forces girls to make up days.
It's lame---
We have schedules.
Schedules are submitted 2 weeks in advance.
3 days are required.
If I schedule myself for 4 days--- and I miss one---- the club requires that I make up the day. Ugh.
Since then I only schedule myself for the minimum and pop in on the days I feel like working.
At least they don't make me pay missed shift fees like some clubs.
But still---- LAME!
Wow Sophia. Makes me grateful for the club I at. We don't have schedules and show up whenever we want - minus a 5hr shift minimum. It's hard to have the discipline to come in sometimes. That's why I set MYSELF a schedule and make myself work a certain number of hours.
A previous club I worked at had a 3 day and 24 hr shift minimum. They also had fines for when you don't show up or go off your schedule. I'm like, fuck that! At least now I have some flexibility.
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Stripper Hacks
What grey area?
To be fair, I was quoting the article.
I happen to agree with what they are saying.
I have seen the definitions, explanations, and designations of "independent contractor" posted around the interwebs. The fact is that I have never encountered a club that followed the guidelines... or even came close. Hence the grey area. :-\
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Sophia_Starina the IRS has the last word. Not clubs.
Clubs can't create a grey area because they feel like it. They have to honor a dancers legal rights as an independent contractor. There is no heated debate.
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http://www.washburnlaw.edu/centers/a...4-appellee.pdf
Read this. I believe the dancer won and was able to collect unemployment because of these loopholes clubs like use.
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BringOnTheMen
What kind of fantasy world do you live in? Or do you actually work in a club that honors the dancers' legal rights? If its the latter, please PM me the name, as I would LOVE to be a legitimate independent contractor.
Ditto! PM me too...
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Stripper Hacks
the IRS has the last word. Not clubs.
Clubs can't create a grey area because they feel like it. They have to honor a dancers legal rights as an independent contractor. There is no heated debate.
Again, the phrase "heated debate" came directly from the article I linked to. There are occasional rumblings now and then related to the abundant discrepancies between the legal definition of an indy contractor and an indy contractor as defined by a strip club.
The documentary Live Nude Girls Unite chronicled the trials/tribulations of ladies working in a San Francisco peep show during their attempt to unionize. For better or for worse, the precedent those women set never really took off. The power in the strip club industry rests firmly and securely in the hands of the clubs.
In NYC clubs, a stripper is an independent contractor that can be scheduled, fined, timed, expected to work X shifts per week or be forced to work on particular day of the week, strippers are expected to give mandatory 'tips' (oxymoronic indeed) to staff, and have a percentage of their funny money skimmed.
The club gets its cake and eats it too. They needn't pay strippers a wage, nor provide any benefits whatsoever, nor pay overtime, etc. Yet they can treat strippers (as described above) pretty much like employees and terminate them willy-nilly because they know many eager ladies would love to have the privilege of working there.
Beyond that, my manager told us, in no uncertain terms, that if dancers were to euphemistically rock the boat, that he can make phone calls and ensure that no bad apples work anywhere in this town again. Charming, I know. Considering his lengthy career in this particular city I wouldn't put it past him. No club wants a trouble maker of any sort. That puts dancers at a disadvantage. Would I jeopardize my career in order to assert my rights? No. Would I sacrifice time, money, and energy to pursue legal action? Highly doubtful. At the end of the day, would it be worth it? Ehhh… if a dancer had an axe to grind and was powered by principle, perhaps.
I came into this scenario with eyes wide open. The industry in NYC is tremendously exploitative and unfair. But I weigh the pros and cons and tally up my $ at the end of the night/week/month/year and see that I am in the black. This year I had the option to jump into two class action law suits (where ladies were suing for wages and the percentage taken from their funny money cash outs). These are just a couple of the rumblings I mentioned before. Truth be told I opted out of both. Why? Because I am on good terms with both club chains and the paltry settlement wasn't worth my name being put out there as a member of the class-action (who knows where that info can end up?).
To say that clubs can't create a grey area isn't sensible. You, the IRS, and any powers-that-be CAN say that they "can't do this" till kingdom come. The pure fact is that even though they CAN'T, they DO. It's like me saying "this can't be happening" except for the fact that it is happening and has been happening.... every single day.... for years.
Clubs are utilizing loopholes like crazy, cherry-picking what suits their agenda, and to Hell with anything else!
It's an unfortunate fact.
I try and make the best of it.
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Sophia_Starina
Oh dear..... where do I begin?
The legal loopholes clubs use are whack. We are classified as independent contractors, yes. That just means that the club doesn't have to pay us a wage. That we get no benefits (insurance etc.). We basically get diddly-squat.
We get no workers compensation if we are injured on the job but some legal precedents have been set regarding that particular issue (
http://www.noiw.org/newsstories/stripper.html).
One pole-happy dancer at my club did hurt herself once and luckily recovered. However, when she joked with the manager regarding the incident and said-- "If I hurt myself bad, the club would have to pay me a lot of $$$$$ for my pain/suffering/bills. *teehee*" The manager went off on her saying that since she is an independent contractor, the club has no responsibility to do anything for her. He finished by saying "As an independent contractor all you get is the privilege of paying your house fee and having me (the manager) yell at you."
I know a girl who got severely injured and sued the club. Despite that the club used the independent contractor line, the dancer used this line in order to try to win the case; "if I am paying to offer a service at X establishment, I expect the money that I invest to offer a service to be invested into improving the facilities we use (like the poles, stage, etc.), since the injury I suffered was due to a loose screw in one of the poles (the pole she was using had some loose screws, and it got detached from the bottom)." She won, on the basis that the place in where she was conducting her business wasn't safe.