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Super Sad and I think this is goodbye
Hey Ladies Happy Holidays
Sorry for the bummer post but I am seriously bummed out. I was just getting started with camming thing. Making money goals and plans and I knew from the start that I could be found out by people I know ( not too much of a big deal, I would just deny deny deny or tell them to fuck off depending on the person) But from doing more research it seems like there is a paper trail that is made from camming (ie background checks) I was going to cam to support myself but I am only doing it to get me through nursing school. I want so badly to be a nurse and I would die if this came up on a background check. Thoughts? Ideas? Similar situations??? I think this means I am going to have to struggle for god knows how long!!! :( thanks
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I would think that if you want to be a nurse, then you shouldn't cam. It's pretty much one or the other, unless you want to live in fear that you won't find work as a nurse because of your camming history, thus making your very expensive and time consuming degree worthless. Maaybe you would still be able to find a job, but it will be a hindrance, especially considering how many other people are going into nursing right now. It can be very competitive, at least in metropolitan areas. You might be better off finding another part time job for the moment being.
It sounds like you really want to be a nurse, but if you're having doubts you should definitely spend some time thinking about what you value in life and where you want to see yourself in the next year, 5, 10, 15 years.
Think about what will make you happy and be most fulfilling to you, not necessarily what "expectations" you or others have placed on you.
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amberose
I would think that if you want to be a nurse, then you shouldn't cam. It's pretty much one or the other, unless you want to live in fear that you won't find work as a nurse because of your camming history, thus making your very expensive and time consuming degree worthless. Maaybe you would still be able to find a job, but it will be a hindrance, especially considering how many other people are going into nursing right now. It can be very competitive, at least in metropolitan areas. You might be better off finding another part time job for the moment being.
It sounds like you really want to be a nurse, but if you're having doubts you should definitely spend some time thinking about what you value in life and where you want to see yourself in the next year, 5, 10, 15 years.
Think about what will make you happy and be most fulfilling to you, not necessarily what "expectations" you or others have placed on you.
I agree, however, you've been camming so that means the papertrail is already out there. If you made over $600 this year, you have to report it on your taxes, and the cam company will also report it whether or not they issue you a 1099. But yes, if you ever plan to work in: education, with children, health care, politics, or various other industries that care, then you shouldn't cam. If you ever want to adopt, you shouldn't cam (I don't know if it would affect you, but it would certainly hurt your chances).
Camming is only good if: you are 100% sure you want to make it your career & plan to work as many hours as possible, you plan to start your own business, you plan to always be self-employed, and/or you will work in an industry that won't care (there are very few of these).
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This seems like a difficult situation for you. You have to really think...."is it worth it?..." Really ask urself this question...I honestly don't see how camming will decide whether you get into nursing school or not. I have read articles about some pornstars who have earned doctorates. But at the end of the day, it's up to you. I wish I could help you more....I just wish you the best of luck with whatever decision u make...
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lolabunny
I have read articles about some pornstars who have earned doctorates
But that's usually in things psychology or something research related... Clinical psychology, sexology, womens studies. The psychology industry does not seem to care much about if the girl has worked in the adult industry or not before, because, chances are she's still focusing on things related to sex or something in that realm. If anything, the industry helped her make connections & the degree helped her to hustle more jobs and build her brand. I've thought about doing a doctorate. The psych industry would likely only care if she planned to work with children or in a school setting, which is a big no-no. Even being a therapist calls for self-employment so she'd be fine, and her "name" (brand) would allow her to hustle clients & charge whatever she wants. However, not many industries think this way.
And the industry is changing. I swear, like 25% of the top pornstars have gotten mainstream acting roles in the last couple years $$$$. Check their IMDB's. So opportunities are arising in the adult industry, but jobs in the adult industry are also becoming more competitive & pay a lot less than they used to, so its even harder to get noticed now I'm sure... unless you're willing to do a lot for little pay in hopes that it opens up doors (which does happen). But in regards to "vanilla" careers, I haven't seen "vanilla" industries (excluding the entertainment or artistic industries) becoming more tolerant of the adult industry.
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Well yeah, u got me there lol....we are talking about nursing lol...Now that I think about it, vanilla careers aren't ready for us lol...Not too long ago I remember a teacher was suspended because he used to do gay porn while in college...The parents and tv reporters were horrible towards him when they found out, I felt so bad for him...Most likely, he probably lost his job. I keep forgetting we're supposed to be the "bad guys"
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Well I'm not sure nursing would care... I think it depends what area. There's always a not-too-well-known blonde ex-girlfriend of Hugh Hefner (I don't want to type her name, you can PM me if curious... she's one of the 7 gfs back in the early 00's) who did a lot of glamour nude print work. She never did any video or live stuff though. She's now a beauty nurse who went to school for nursing (registered) and esthetics (licensed). She works in a plastic surgeron's office though, so it might be different. But the surgeon is a top plastic surgeon in the world whose office is in Beverly Hills. If anything, in the case of this girl, her semi-adulty career actually helped her build connections (to get her job) & potential clientelle. In fact, this surgeon has a strong working relationship with Hugh Hefner, so I'm sure that's how she ended up getting the job. I think, if you plan to work with children in any form (including nursing), adult work might be an issue from our annoying society's point of view. But otherwise, if you are solely working with people 18+, it won't be. However, with general nursing, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have a choice of who you could & couldn't work with unless you went into something specific like becoming a beauty nurse.
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I don't know if this is possible, but what if you planned to work internationally? Lets say you completed your studies in the US, and then worked in Canada. I don't think they can check your taxes paid to another country can they? Maybe that could be an option...
Does anyone know if it would come up in checks for other countries?
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Sad because I know a nurse that is a total lush and has really inappropriate pics on her facebook (of her drunk, beer bottles all around her house plus she's got kids, tonguing other girls). I'm getting to that point where I'm like, do I wanna do this or not. Because I really need the money to get my own car and a place to live and to start a business. I'd really buckle down and think about nursing, most are shocked to find out that you have to wipe asses (even dig out poop when people are stopped up), clean up pee, vomit, blood and TONS of other unsavory things. You can be treated like crap by patients and doctors. You do whatever a doctor won't do (which is a lot). It's hard work, you are on your feet for hours. Sure it pays well eventually (you can make about 20 dollars an hour or more). I'd say try anyway, if they say no move on to something else. I'm starting to develop a lovely "fuck you" attitude because the world is full of people that are hypocrites. A perfect way to round up the sex industry is everyone wants their dick sucked but no one wants to respect the mouth that does it. I'm personally really worried about taxes, I just turned 18 and am clueless (Even after I sat through a tax workshop). Have you thought of working a sex hotline? Not sure if you have to fill out similar forms or not though.
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^^@Paris_doll: I'm pretty sure they can check it where ever. Its tied to your social security # or tax identification #, or passport #, as well as your name. I would be more worried about it coming up on an in-depth background check or through a private investigator, which would probably be just as plausible. And the thing is too, it might not affect you right away. It might be later down the line when you want like a head nurse position, or something with a lot of security vulnerability / need for confidentiality that would then call for an in-depth background check, and they'd be look for "shady" things to disqualify you with, as I'm sure there would be numerous people competing for the same position. That's what I'd be worried about. But like in the case of the beauty nurse, she builds her own clientelle, and uses the clientelle that's brought in by the surgeon.
So it just depends what sector of nursing the OP plans to go into. If its something that may one day involve children in any way, or something that may be high security (which I think 90% or so of all nursing categories would probably fall into one of the two), then the adult work is not a good idea.
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lolalust
most are shocked to find out that you have to wipe asses (even dig out poop when people are stopped up), clean up pee, vomit, blood and TONS of other unsavory things. You can be treated like crap by patients and doctors. You do whatever a doctor won't do (which is a lot
Exactly, and those are the kind of things you do for like the first 5 years or so, because no one else wants to do them. Then you work your way up down the line into higher up positions where you don't have to do all the bitch work. I've heard nurses that love their job, and nurses that hated it and wanted out immediately. So, it just depends. There are a lot of different sectors of nursing though.
And any legitimate job is going to cause a paper trail. If it asks for your social security #, it leaves a paper trail. If it doesn't ask for your social security #, its probably a shady company anyway that you shouldn't work for.
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This is something I think the strippers of the board my have some insight to be honest, because since forever, women have been putting themselves through school by stripping, earned their degress and have gone on to other careers. One on here told her story after she passed the bar, hung up her heels and is now a lawyer working for a firm. There was also a lady who was getting a goverment job and worried how stripping would affect that, and a few other ladies spoke up with their experiences that they were able to land gvt jobs and get security clearances with stripping on their record.
If strippers go on to have successful careers after college, and many of them not only pay taxes, but also have to apply for a license all of which come up in background checks, I dont understand why a cam girl can not consider the same options. I do see how being outed for being in porn or escorting would affect someone because that has a major stigma attached to it, but stripping is a mainstream means to an end for many college girls, and cam has become very mainstream as well.
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BlkSharpie
I do see how being outed for being in porn or escorting would affect someone because that has a major stigma attached to it, but stripping is a mainstream means to an end for many college girls, and cam has become very mainstream as well.
I think the real issue is camming & porn are a much bigger deal (and grounds for termination) when compared to stripping or escorting... One is on the internet forever, and the other one is not at all. Meaning, in their eyes, one is out there for children to see, and the other is not.
Basically, the whole issue comes down to: "are their children involved in any way?" or "are you taking a role model or major leadership position?" If the answer to the career path you're interested in is "yes" to either of those, then steer clear of camming or porn. Stripping or escorting is a completely different territory, and while there may be a paper trail, it likely won't catch up with you as intense as camming will. Especially if said stripper was not issued (or did not attach) a 1099. Video is forever.
With stripping, its subjective. Didn't Avalon/Brittney Ireland post a story of how a girl was perfectly happy in her new career until a picture or a video teaser from her being a stripper accidently got into the hands of her employer, and he quickly terminated her, or something? Yeah, I'd be much more worried about the video than the paper trail in the case of industries who care. I think that's why so many girls opt out of camming and stick to dancing.
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Why don't you hide your face in free chat and pvt chat ? (I hide it most of the time and I still make money) not like other girls that show it but it is better than nothing.
regarding background checks and records you can work for a non US website that don't report your revenue ( so you can choose an italian or british website) and use payoneer card, as I know they don't report anything.
In my opinion the only way to cam without worring about your future career is to work for a foreign website and hide your face or use a sexy mask like this one
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Originally Posted by
GlamourRouge
I think the real issue is camming & porn are a much bigger deal (and grounds for termination) when compared to stripping or escorting... One is on the internet forever, and the other one is not at all. Meaning, in their eyes, one is out there for children to see, and the other is not.
Basically, the whole issue comes down to: "are their children involved in any way?" or "are you taking a role model or major leadership position?" If the answer to the career path you're interested in is "yes" to either of those, then steer clear of camming or porn. Stripping or escorting is a completely different territory, and while there may be a paper trail, it likely won't catch up with you as intense as camming will. Especially if said stripper was not issued (or did not attach) a 1099. Video is forever.
With stripping, its subjective. Didn't Avalon/Brittney Ireland post a story of how a girl was perfectly happy in her new career until a picture or a video teaser from her being a stripper accidently got into the hands of her employer, and he quickly terminated her, or something? Yeah, I'd be much more worried about the video than the paper trail in the case of industries who care. I think that's why so many girls opt out of camming and stick to dancing.
Ah ha! Okay excellent point...I totally see what you mean.
Like the saying goes...no video, no proof...
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naughtycamgirl
Why don't you hide your face in free chat and pvt chat ?
Most sites require you show your face. Some sites just enforce the rules more than others. And even if you hid your face, they'd still have your body. They'd still have your voice. Not to mention a huge decrease in money because men are paying for your personality & "your brand" most of all. But regardless, its the same argument that others have made before. "I do non-nude!" "I only offer fetish" "I don't even do anything adult, I just dance around!" The fact of the matter is: Its still a sex site. Its still catering to men who are compulsively jacking off to whatever you are (or aren't doing). And that's all potential employers are caring about. Its the industry as a whole, not what you do in particular.
Just avoid all this by not working in the adult industry if you are ever going to work with children in any way, or if you are ever attempting a leadership or role model position. Even if you never got caught (though the odd are not in your favor... you'll probably be outed sooner or later), do you really want to live in fear of being exposed & losing your the job you really wanted & went to school for, for your whole life? Like, that has to take a toll on your body & quality of life somehow anyway. And we all know what happens... it gets on the news and make you look like an irresponsible idiot, which sucks. Our society sucks. The world sucks. But unfortunately, we aren't the one who run or "own" it, so we can't do much about it except play along.
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One of the major reasons that being a webcam model does pay so much money is because the occupational hazard of being eventually 'found out' can stop you from ever being able to take advantage of certain other opportunities because of your 'scandalous past'.
Sadly, in this society it seems to be the price of doing business and we do live in a 'global village' so I personally know of no way to get around it. You can hedge your bets, but there could be real and possible consequences if you are discovered. :(
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Do you guys remember when that American Idol contestant Frenchie was disqualified when they found out that she posed nude? I thought that was so fucked up. I guess in their minds, a true 'American Idol' would NEVER take off her clothes for money. It's so ridiculous. And, from what I can remember, she had an awesome singing voice and people loved her.
I'm sure even the Victoria's Secret models sometimes get looked down on, and it's a shame that people are like that.
Good luck in whatever you do, AnaisaLovely! Merry Christmas, ladies!
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they say it doesn't show up on a background check but I've wondered about that myself. however camming is my career and I will always be self employed so I don't worry about it. but if you have concerns I would contact the companies you are working with and ask them about it. good luck and I hope this isn't good bye but if it is I wish you all the best and good luck
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Originally Posted by
GlamourRouge
Most sites require you show your face. Some sites just enforce the rules more than others. And even if you hid your face, they'd still have your body. They'd still have your voice. Not to mention a huge decrease in money because men are paying for your personality & "your brand" most of all. But regardless, its the same argument that others have made before. "I do non-nude!" "I only offer fetish" "I don't even do anything adult, I just dance around!" The fact of the matter is: Its still a sex site. Its still catering to men who are compulsively jacking off to whatever you are (or aren't doing). And that's all potential employers are caring about. Its the industry as a whole, not what you do in particular.
Just avoid all this by not working in the adult industry if you are ever going to work with children in any way, or if you are ever attempting a leadership or role model position. Even if you never got caught (though the odd are not in your favor... you'll probably be outed sooner or later), do you really want to live in fear of being exposed & losing your the job you really wanted & went to school for, for your whole life? Like, that has to take a toll on your body & quality of life somehow anyway. And we all know what happens... it gets on the news and make you look like an irresponsible idiot, which sucks. Our society sucks. The world sucks. But unfortunately, we aren't the one who run or "own" it, so we can't do much about it except play along.
this whole damn country is sexually repressed! I've even seen sites where we are called whores/prostitutes for masturbating in front of a camera how fucked up is that? a prostitute will sleep with a man in exchange for money all we do is masturbate and that my friends is not prostitution and even the law doesn't define it that way but let a cop find out you are a cam girl and it's disrespect galore!
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there's a woman on MFC who wrote in her profile that she's trying to put herself through nursing school
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Fact of the matter is that we make good money BECAUSE there is such a stigma against the adult industry. If it were acceptable or normal the market would flood. Not to mention we'd lose all the clientele that gets off on the whole concept of feeling like they are degrading women or want to save us.
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Originally Posted by
lolalust
Sad because I know a nurse that is a total lush and has really inappropriate pics on her facebook (of her drunk, beer bottles all around her house plus she's got kids, tonguing other girls). I'm getting to that point where I'm like, do I wanna do this or not. Because I really need the money to get my own car and a place to live and to start a business. I'd really buckle down and think about nursing, most are shocked to find out that you have to wipe asses (even dig out poop when people are stopped up), clean up pee, vomit, blood and TONS of other unsavory things. You can be treated like crap by patients and doctors. You do whatever a doctor won't do (which is a lot). It's hard work, you are on your feet for hours. Sure it pays well eventually (you can make about 20 dollars an hour or more). I'd say try anyway, if they say no move on to something else.
I've been thinking this same thing. I thought I would love to be a nurse, and I began going to school for my pre-nursing classes. I learned the biohazards I'd encounter, along with the competitiveness of many nursing programs because my BFF is a nursing major. She's had to retake classes that she got a B in just so she could enter the program, and now she's cleaning up poop for clinicals. I realized that this wasn't the career for me, so now I'm researching careers in medical imaging and planning to put myself through a radiology program. That could be a good alternative for the op.
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aleciaxxx
this whole damn country is sexually repressed! I've even seen sites where we are called whores/prostitutes for masturbating in front of a camera how fucked up is that? a prostitute will sleep with a man in exchange for money all we do is masturbate and that my friends is not prostitution and even the law doesn't define it that way but let a cop find out you are a cam girl and it's disrespect galore!
I live in Italy, and Italian court consider camming as prostitution.
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Cam_chick
Fact of the matter is that we make good money BECAUSE there is such a stigma against the adult industry. If it were acceptable or normal the market would flood. Not to mention we'd lose all the clientele that gets off on the whole concept of feeling like they are degrading women or want to save us.
exactly. you need the suckas to be suckafree! lol