No sex in the champagne room
Hi...was wondering if any of you gals could give me some pointers :)
I have been in the champagne room numourus times - but only when a custy asks me. im afraid to ask - cuz its 300 for an hour (i get half) and i dont want them to think im gonna let them touch me and other stuff. because my policy is - look, dont touch.
i mean guys asked me about it, asking me if they can touch, blah blah blah. so im just like uh....
so what is a good way to convince him - knowing im not gonna do anything extra up there?
THANKS!
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I had the same problem in the champaign room when I worked as a stripper. I really don't know how to convince someone knowing nothing extra is going to happen, but I know the club I worked at the girls had a reputation for doing extras so I quit.
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Guys with real money don't ask this stupid question, only broke on a budget men do. If a guy needs to ask what he gets in a champange room, I walk away on to the next. I tell them too, straight up.... "If you need to ask that, I'm wasting my time here... Peace".
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$300 for an hour is CHEAP! (My rooms are $550hr) You sound like you don't think you're worth that. In fact you only get $150 and you seem to think that's alot?! Don't be afraid to ask a guy for champagne because you think it's too expensive. If anything he's getting a DEAL. Make sure you say that too.
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kaiarose
$300 for an hour is CHEAP! (My rooms are $550hr) You sound like you don't think you're worth that. In fact you only get $150 and you seem to think that's alot?! Don't be afraid to ask a guy for champagne because you think it's too expensive. If anything he's getting a DEAL. Make sure you say that too.
150$ an hour for you is so cheap I'd dare to say that in most cases it's not even worth it. Well, if the club is busy you could be making more just selling dances and getting tipped. Any way you can charge more?
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^ 150 for an hour is pretty rockin to me! I mean hypothetically speaking 8 hour long rooms would equal 1200 per shift! lol
for her to make the same amount (150) she'd have to do 8 dances per hour (assuming they are $20 each).
Thats doable, but she'd probably have to hustle 2 or more guys to get that many each hour.
id rather sit on my butt with the same dude ;/
unless of course she was able to do the full hour in dances with him, and got paid $260 ($7 house cut off each dance) In which case she'd make more $.
but i think itd be hard to commit a guy to an hour of $20 3 minute open dances (400) as opposed to a $300 hour in a private room.
Congrats if youre still reading, cause at this point im sleepy and rambling lmao.
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yeah, but on top of the 1 hr she spends in the CR she has spent time hustling him.. And 8 hr CRs are pretty unlikely... I think the club should be charging much more. $300 is pretty common for half hour. At the same time, $150 is obviously better than (potentially) nothing.
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kikidejavu
^ 150 for an hour is pretty rockin to me! I mean hypothetically speaking 8 hour long rooms would equal 1200 per shift! lol
for her to make the same amount (150) she'd have to do 8 dances per hour (assuming they are $20 each).
Thats doable, but she'd probably have to hustle 2 or more guys to get that many each hour.
id rather sit on my butt with the same dude ;/
unless of course she was able to do the full hour in dances with him, and got paid $260 ($7 house cut off each dance) In which case she'd make more $.
but i think itd be hard to commit a guy to an hour of $20 3 minute open dances (400) as opposed to a $300 hour in a private room.
Congrats if youre still reading, cause at this point im sleepy and rambling lmao.
I would rather TRY for 8 dances an hour than settle for 150$/hour.
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kaiarose
$300 for an hour is CHEAP!
This. Don't be intimidated by the price... $300 is nothing for what they're getting.
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BringOnTheMen
Honestly, I would view that $300 as the room fee + bottle fee and charge per song for dances up there....
Yup. This exactly.
If you tell them that the $300 is the fee for the room/champagne they're likely to be more understanding of paying per song for dances also.
If they protest that they want an hour of DANCING for $300... depending on what your club charges per dance/what cut you get... it could be much profitable to sell them a block of your time in the normal LD area. PLUS. If you just tell them you'll do a $300 hour on the couches, that you're cutting them a deal and it'd normally be MUCH more expensive for an hour of dances... you can just set the alarm on your phone for closer to 30-45 minutes and cut it short. That way you're only doing 10-15 dances at full price and the customer still thinks he's getting a deal.
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Don't be afraid to ask/sell rooms. Not every guy is the same either. And I totally agree about the price. It's waaaaaayyy too low. I know some clubs you're not allowed to charge what u want, but fuck that.... That shit is a robbery. Actually, dumb business...the club is not even selling the champagne. But that's besides the point.
Your time is money!
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He knows he's in a strip club, not a brothel. He probably already knows the rules so if he gets into the room and expects more he's either an idiot or an arsehole, both of which deserve to have their money taken from them.
As long as you're not lying and saying you wi do something you won't then I don't see the problem. $300 for an hour is like getting a bulk discount $20 per song = roughly $360-$400 an hour so they're definitely getting a deal and shouldn't expect anything more than dancing. If when you get them in there they start trying to grab or aggressively ask for extras or get their cock out etc., give them a warning then end the dance if they do it again.
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^^^ gah it's such a good dance to cost ratio! By buying an hour at my club it's £150 cheaper than filling an hour with £20 dances. But they just look at you like "how much? 0.o"
I try to emphasise how good an experience a VIP session is over a standard single dance. I still haven't got the knack to selling long VIPs up front though :( It's important here too cos the club isn't busy enough to do enough single dances per hour.
Oh and to answer your question more specifically, if they're whining about wanting to touch it may notbe possible to make them a sale, some guys just want what they can't have for cheap. Tell everyone about the CR, you never know who will just say let's go, and it is in their minds already for a later upsell. Even if they scoff at how they can't afford that, then sell them a cheaper, shorter block of time and it will seem much more reasonable to them- yet in reality you got them to spend more money that just one or two dances. I believe this is called the 'door in the face' sales method or something.
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It's tricky to answer questions on this forum lately because every area is different. Some areas have strict laws on contact and prostitution, where in other areas (like mine) prostitution is the norm and police are paid off.
In either case, $300 for an hour WITH champagne is a great deal. I'll charge $200-400+ an hour depending on the circumstances, how busy it is, and how much money I've made so far. At the club I dance at now I keep 100% of what I earn less tip out ($30) so I am happy with $200 or $250 for an hour because it's easy to sell to a few guys a night. If I sell a $250 room to three guys then I've made $720 after tip out! That's great, and it's doable on weekdays too.
As far as contact goes, in high extras clubs it's hard to give air dances. You either have to bend your rules on contact (not recommended by me) or commute to a 'cleaner' club/city. If the club is generally known as clean and other girls do not readily offer extras, let them know that extras aren't available in your club so they should treat themselves to the best option available.
All in all, a cheapass pervert is a cheapass pervert, and you won't easily convince them to change their mind about getting some head in exchange for an hour of lap dances. Some men are bored with dances and simply want that quick release through sex or head, so you will never get them in a CR for just dances.
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This TOTALLY depends on the club, ladies. Remember, in dives, it can be extremely difficult to sell even the cheapest rooms!
I've worked at clubs where the "CR" is $100/half hour. And I've worked at clubs where the CR is $300/half hour. CRs are by FAR easier to sell at the more expensive price. Why? Because the clubs that charge more generally come with easy upsell points (a much nicer room, more private, free drinks, attentive staff, more comfortable, etc.). The clubs that charge less generally have almost NO upsell points. And really, when a guy walks into a dive, he doesn't feel rich...so it's harder to get him to spend what he has. When you feel crappy about your environment, you don't want to spend a bunch of money.
Also, it's straight up sales psychology. If you sell something for a very cheap price, then people get stingy with you and don't want to spend the money. They focus on what they're actually GETTING instead of the experience as a whole. If you sell something for a more expensive price, then people rationalize the cost, thinking that it must be worth the money. I read somewhere that during the recession, call girls who charged the least amount of money and the most amount of money suffered the greatest reduction in sales (on average). But the girls charging medium tier continued to do relatively well.
OP--If I were you, I wouldn't try to sell the CR unless your club is dead. If the club is dead and you can get a guy to commit to an hour, then this is worth your time. If the club is packed and you have tons of customers in the club relative to the number of girls (you only have to sell 10 LDs, which is 30 minutes of your time, to get the same amount of money), then go for LDs.
How to sell a CR:
Figure out what, if anything, makes the CR a better deal for dances. Nicer couch? More private? Quieter? Not having to worry about dance-to-dance money collection? Free drinks? More private? Slightly more contact? All reasons to buy a CR.
Remember, if you're pushing for a CR, you can lie a bit about contact in order to make the sale. And by that, I mean you can claim that you don't do X in the LD room (even if you actually do), and mention that that's something you reserve exclusively for the CR...all while staying within the club rules. Even if it's something small, that can tip people over to make the decision to buy. Then, if he ends up buying a LD instead of a CR, you can back out of the lie by claiming that he's special so you're making an exception. But generally, if he's asking about contact in the first place, that's a sign that he's a time-waster.
If you work in a shitty club, then your only upsell option may be the fact that that is an INCREDIBLE deal for their money. 30 minutes of regular LD = about $150 for you (your cut) and $300 for him. So they're getting double the amount of time for the same price.
Above all, remember that you are WORTH it. Pretend you're selling the dance for $30 to help with your self-esteem in the beginning.
And do NOT...I repeat...do NOT spend the entire hour dancing!! Order drinks, make conversation, give shoulder massages, whatever. $150 is NOT worth an hour of dancing to you!
Also, remember to DOWNSELL if you fail to sell the CR. If you push for the $300 CR and the guy really doesn't want to spend that, then do NOT walk away from the sale. Say "Okay!" in a peppy voice, smile, then say "Let's go do a lap dance instead!" If he was even considering a CR, then he should be able to afford a LD unless he was just wasting your time in the first place.
That being said, I have no idea what sort of club the OP is in, so perhaps none of this makes a difference for her. :P
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You are worth way more than $300 an hour so tell them that.
Also can you do dances outside of the CR? $150 an hour is a serious waste of time. Sometimes it's almost better making nothing IMO.
I'm tired of these clubs that force dancers to charge less than they're worth if it means getting guys in the door.
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150 for an hour is pretty rockin to me! I mean hypothetically speaking 8 hour long rooms would equal 1200 per shift! lol
Who spends 8 hours in a strip club? Blah!
I better be making way more than $1200 if I'm going to be there that long.
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^ We're all tired of clubs like that.
That being said, sometimes clubs like these are your only option...so you have to make the best of them. And these aren't the kind of clubs where $1200/8 hrs is a measly take-home.
Maybe you meant 8 hours of straight dancing isn't worth $1200? Cuz I know people who would stay at the club for 12 hrs+ for $1200 (myself included!).
I just broke $1K the other night for the first time in my dancing career (7 hrs of work), and it was also my first night dancing in a nicer club. Dives and near-dives just don't have the same earning potential as upscale clubs. And this is very regional as well. You need to adjust your expectations accordingly (though you should never stop aspiring to make more, of course).
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I think $150 an hour is pretty good...I doubt many dancers average more than that at local regular clubs (Vegas is a completely different story). I am happy to average a $100 an hour during the day. I have only been working day shift because of my kids and family life.
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charlie61
That being said, sometimes clubs like these are your only option...so you have to make the best of them. And these aren't the kind of clubs where $1200/8 hrs is a measly take-home.
Maybe you meant 8 hours of straight dancing isn't worth $1200? Cuz I know people who would stay at the club for 12 hrs+ for $1200 (myself included!).
Whoah, yeh, $1200 for a regular 8-hr shift sounds awesome! My shifts are 11:30am-7pm (7.5 hrs), and I've never broken a grand.
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I'm happy making $200+ on weekdays and $400+ weekends right now. When summer comes around (our busy season) I expect those numbers to double.
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^ $500++ for any shift and I'm happy. Usually $800++ on weekends is happpy point.