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It's easy to see the logic in your theory regarding the motives of others. But for the most part that's not the case. Girls really do charge those prices and they really do make good money from it. The reason you probably think you can't make money over 4.99 is probably because you haven't given it much of a chance. At higher prices most girls get less business to begin with (while they build up regulars), but the money they make in just one or two or three shows will make up for the time spent waiting. Put it this way a girl charging $1.99 per min will make $41 per hour her cut IF she is busy for that whole hour. However, a girl charging 5.99 per min will only need to work for 20 mins to make the same amount. The higher priced girl is also less tired, less burned out, and has plenty of opportunity for MORE money if she happens to be popular that day. Just because you may be less busy, does NOT mean you are less successful than the lower prices girls who are busy more of the time. In fact you're better off, for the reasons explained above.
It just doesn't make any sense to charge low prices for private shows.
The girls doing gold shows on the other hand do so because it makes sense FOR THEM. They might make $100 off one show, or more, which makes it worth it. The girls who think this is teaching guys to be cheap (like me), just don't do gold shows, simple as that. But there's a big difference charging low gold show prices, and low private prices. One is a gamble that most often ends up being very much worth it, the other is just plain self-sabotage.
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AliceFun
I do believe some people here really love to show off and they not charging as high as they say. Now i can go on with a conspiracy theory that some people will try to make others charge too high so they wont make money and members can go spend in their rooms actually. I can tell that the maximum i can charge and have traffic is 3.99 for premium and 4.99 exclusive on SM, if i go higher than that i wont make money anymore, i was trying around all prices/ combinations, i felt dissapointed and upset for not being able to make better money at higher prices "like all the others" around here. I am an average looking woman, classy and sexy but not a porn star type.
Then i was watching the freechat of a top performer i admire a lot and i saw how members were bitching about her high prices, telling ARE U FUCKING MAD, U KIDDING, ARE U SERIOUS? She was charging over $10/min for premium on SM and everybody was pissed.
And yes, in one hand people will say here "i do charge this and that" but sell themselves very short in Gold shows, like a dollar per 20 mins show or so?! Come on, this doesent make sense. Or maybe i dont see it, idk
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Wow! I just saw a birthday girl top-row model (camming with her female friend) get about $975 towards a $1,005 GOLD show with over 200 guys in the room! :) That's awesome! With the way the GOLD was rolling in at the final minute, I'm sure that MORE guys chipped in after it got started.
Awesome to see lovely ladies making $$$!
Question: I once heard a model (who had over 100 guys in the room) say "I need to start this show soon, because the room is getting too crowded." Does the chat room really get jacked up when it gets that crowded? Or does it just become a pain in the ass trying to read everything on the screen?
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TheBrownFox
Question: I once heard a model (who had over 100 guys in the room) say "I need to start this show soon, because the room is getting too crowded." Does the chat room really get jacked up when it gets that crowded? Or does it just become a pain in the ass trying to read everything on the screen?
Yessss.
Goldshow countdowns are the most likely time your computer/streamate will take a shit on you and crash, mostly towards the end of the timer when so many people are in the room/pledging at the last minute.
I've lost a few high goal shows because of this, and it SUCKS. :(
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justanothercamgirl
Businesses only mark down products that aren't selling well? They why do they put out coupons all the time for top-brand products. I mean, I doubt McDonald's is going out of business and every couple of months I get a coupon books from them.
Edited to add: I have even seen coupons for a product right in front of the product that is selling at the store which pretty much is the example that you say never happens.
Exactly! Loss leaders aren't crap products. They're staples like milk. Most places actually lose money on milk, but they know people who buy it usually buy other things too. Most the products you see on sale in ads are losing the company money. And y'know what? They don't care, because those people who pay less for that end up spending more on other things. (Such as renting a room at the waldorf vs. renting out the whole place in the one analogy someone used.)
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I cannot say for sure, but on most sites the trick to getting only one type of show (more group/ more private/ more gold shows, whatever) is to put your prices for other types way up so no one buys them, or if they do it makes it way worth your while! I'd say the girls at 9.99 and above are probably trying to discourage normal shows because they make more off gold shows ;)
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camgirl917
If you have to mainly do gold shows, due to increasing your prices to the point of rarely getting privates, doesn't this defeat the purpose of having high rates to begin with? This is what I mean by having a very expensive and high end product, but then selling it for pennies.
Gold show question for u
would u be willing to charge 1 penny per show if you would be guaranteed the $10K /week?
yes or no?
and to actually answer all your other questions do this:
try 2 weeks low private prices($4.99 and down)
try 2 weeks high private prices($10/min n up)
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Nobody can guarantee you that u going to make $10k a week, these examples are soo unrealistic, i wish camgirls would say things different when they tell how much they charging. I would like to hear things like this: ok, i do charge so and so BUT i am doing hardcore shows (this and that), i am online many hrs a day so i can afford waiting for the "big fishes" to come and spend on me, i have other sources of income (passive or active), i splitcam, i have somebody in my life providing for me (husband, bf, whatever) so i can afford waiting for my money, i look very good so i cater to all types of customer, that's what it'll be nice for people to post.
Also, a warning like: please adjust ur prices to ur OWN REALITY and if u see is not working FOR YOU then charge what is doing you good, dont put urself in a situation where u'll get all frustrated, dissapointed and sad because u not doing as good as expected.
What works for one performer might not work for others, we are unique individuals with different capabilities and talents. I dont want to create a drama here, i want to help people make their ways with prices/ fees so they benefit off their work and feel content/ happy with their income. Is a big difference between a performer offering anal, big toys, DP, gag, squirt, all kind of hardcore stuff that most members enjoy and a performer offering kinda vanilla shows (max pussy play with average size dildo) or fetish shows; working a smaller niche will attract less members for sure.
Conclusion for me is, everything matters in order to be popular online, from location, nationality, looks, willingness, time u are online, own promotion and so on. Better not tell everyone "You can do it" w.o telling what it takes to get there and w.o knowing the particularities of the performer u give advice to. Have peace!
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Yes is not required to charge higher but is manipulated to believe she can succeed cause if others can why cant she?
This is the point.
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I had tried raising my rates way high before and failed miserably, but it was because I didn't realize it would mean sticking with it for at least a week and going longer between shows. It's still hard not to freak out some days when I go awhile between shows, but when I stay online it's consistently more money total. I'm here for money - the total paycheck is what I care about. I have a lot of expenses.
If you don't try it at least a couple of weeks you really can't say you've tried it.
I was just as skeptical as many of you were and had some of the same thoughts. I thought hosts did it because it was just to get guys to go to gold shows too, but they really WILL go private and exclusive at higher prices! Personally I'm glad I tried it and I doubt I'll ever go back to low prices. It still amazes me at the difference in clients who can afford the higher prices. I'd rather be camming for a man who can spend money without worrying. They are way nicer to deal with. Often men with no money are all butthurt about it.
Also because I have health problems it's nice to not be exhausted after a shift!
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I am 4.99$ and 5.99$ per minute and always have been. I do vanilla shows only with some domme stuff mix in when it is requested and I have absolutely no problem hitting my goal every week. I had a 23 min private yesterday and made about 35$ plus he tipped me 20$ at the end so I made about 43$ for 23 mins. I would be crying my eyes out if that would have been ike 20$ for the whole show.
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As I said in another thread, I recently upped my rates significantly. From $4.99/$5.99 to $5.99/$9.99. I am actually intending to get my limit raised and move myself to $12.99 in a couple weeks.
I haven't worked much since then - had a normal day yesterday, but my computer kept freezing today, so I decided it was fuck-this-shit-o-clock and had a nap.
So far, no one has commented on the rate. At all. Not even the guys who used to get shows with me, and were used to paying nearly half. I was expecting a bunch of "you raised your rate/are too expensive now/aren't worth that" but I didn't get one. Also, as I said in the other thread, I found that I was getting less shows, but making the same amount on money in the same amount of time. I still averaged $50+ an hour yesterday, but I found it SO much easier to keep going, because I wasn't totally drained after the first hour of fucking myself silly. So far, I love it! We'll just see if it keeps steady, because if it isn't working after a couple of weeks, I will consider going back down.
As for the gold show thing, I actually HATE doing gold shows - I much prefer exclusive, and "getting to know you" type shows - I hate shilling and working to a crowd. I haven't needed to do gold shows to up my earnings, and I would never raise my rate and then raise the number of shows to balance it, but that is personal preference. I hate feeling like I am selling my bits like a pound of bananas at the market!
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Also, I did some thinking when I raised my rates, and it made me feel far more justified in what I did. Here is my train of thought:
As a dancer, I have always charged $40 a dance, or $100 for 3 dances. It then goes up to $500+ per hour. Going on dances alone, I was charging between $13 and $11 a minute. And that was zero contact, just getting naked. No penetration, no insertion, no dirty talk...just rubbing my boobs and spanking my ass. And they weren't able to jack off, either. I would get $35 out of each $40 (or thereabout, depending on the club), which is still around $10 per minute.
According to various statistics and articles, the average for an hour with an escort is $300. This actually holds up with what I know of mid-range escorting. Usually, that is just for your basic suck n fuck, without fetishes, anal, costumes, etc. That works out at around $5 per minute. As most escorts these days are independent, they are getting all of that.
Whereas as a camgirl, if you are charging $5 per minute, and only getting 35% of that, you are getting $1.75 a minute. And from reading profiles, it seems pretty normal to assume that camgirls are not just doing suck n fuck basics, but deepthroating, anal, dp, roleplay, costumes, fetishes, food shows, oil shows, shower shows.....
So why is it that the girls that "do" the most, are willing to take the LEAST amount of money??? We are underselling ourselves compared to the rest of the industry on a cost per minute basis!! I don't have enough experience with porn to work out the per-minute price of a scene, but I'm betting it's more that $1.75!!
If dancers and escorts can charge more - SO CAN YOU!!!
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But what about Adult Work??? I so wanna jump on this bandwagon with you ladies, and I raised mine about .30p to 2.50 recently and it has worked out fine, but honestly the ceiling is maybe 3.00 unless you are a pornstar or escort, and even a few of the Glam Models only charge around 2.50. I wanna play too!!!!!
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BlondebombGA
But what about Adult Work??? I so wanna jump on this bandwagon with you ladies, and I raised mine about .30p to 2.50 recently and it has worked out fine, but honestly the ceiling is maybe 3.00 unless you are a pornstar or escort, and even a few of the Glam Models only charge around 2.50. I wanna play too!!!!!
Yeah, I was highly annoyed when a guy from MFC visited me in AW group chat (or private?) and complained that my rates were expensive. Um...no, I think my AW rates at that time were like $1.49/$1.99 or something. That sure as hell ain't expensive. The only reason he complained is that MFC has him spoiled, and guys on MFC are used to watching public cum shows for free where they will MAYBE chip in 10 or 20 tokens...lol. So when they visit us on private chat-based sites (ImLive, AdultWork, Webcams, etc.) and realize they have to pay $20/$30+ for a private show, they complain "Damn, you're expensive." LMAO.
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ManyRoses
So why is it that the girls that "do" the most, are willing to take the LEAST amount of money??? We are underselling ourselves compared to the rest of the industry on a cost per minute basis!! I don't have enough experience with porn to work out the per-minute price of a scene, but I'm betting it's more that $1.75!!
great post manyroses!
someone and i forget who (but thank you!!) said something like this earlier in this thread. ( i think it was this thread..lol)
and that is what really motivated me to raise my prices.
months ago..i was charging 4-5 dollars a min for pvt. but my price now is almost double that (i raised by a dollar every month) because i realized for everything we are doing 1.50 or something a minute is very cheap.
I still say do what works best for you..but!..for me the best thing was getting almost angry about how little I was actually getting per min and being determined to make a higher rate work better for me.
also, i think we tend to price ourselves lower because we think too much about how much the guy is actually paying.
imagine we had no way to know the actual price that customers were going to pay and all you were choosing from was your cut.
so instead of choosing between .99-14.99
imagine choosing between .34- $5.24 a minute
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You are so right! Being realistic is so important, as is seeing what the other girls are doing on the site.
Gold shows make sense if you are popular and on a lot. If not, the guys get impatient waiting too long.
I guess we all have our niche.
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So this week I am trying out gold shows and having a higher priv than excl. 6.99priv/5.69excl Only 1 person who took me private 1 time when I very first started camming has said something about the raised rates (asking me to lower them - Which I did not do). I'm having a slow week and wondering if these prices are why. I will keep them for another week and then lower them if I need to. Haven't made even 50% of a gold show goal yet :(
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I just got approved for gold shows too, and I'm thinking I'm going to just raise my rates again, I'm currently at 5.99pvt/6.99excl, I haven't tried out a gold show yet, and I'm a little nervous to do so, but I figure it's a good way to get traffic to your room & so for the first couple ones I'll probably only do like $3 for 6 minutes or something, then gradually raise those up to 1$/min after I've got some more of a following. I'm scared to try a gold show!! LOL.
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Sexy Shana
You are so right! Being realistic is so important, as is seeing what the other girls are doing on the site.
Gold shows make sense if you are popular and on a lot. If not, the guys get impatient waiting too long.
I guess we all have our niche.
NOOOOOOOOO!!! Don't base your rates on what "other girls" are doing...that is the way to .99 a minute camshows for all!! Always base your rate on what YOU are worth, not what someone else is willing to charge!! Trust me, there are girls that are charging the bare minimum, and girls that are charging $20 per minute+. There are girls doing $1 gold shows, and then there are girls who are doing $20 buy ins. Charge more, even if everyone else is charging less - you will STILL get the money from guys.
There are even some guys that intentionally go for the more expensive girls, assuming that they are better!! Or just because they prefer a woman who knows her worth, or are into findom.
Again, going back to my dancer days (I talk about them a lot, because I was a better dancer than I am a camgirl - still getting there with camming!!), the official "rate" at the first club I worked was $20 a dance. No one did them. Some would do $30, but the majority of girls took $40. It was the first time that I realized that being the cheapest was not necessarily the way to get customers. I also started to realize that guys aren't carefully comparison shopping when the blood isn't in their upstairs brain! I went from charging the stated rate of $250 an hour for VIP up to the point that I was demanding $600 PLUS tips for an hour..and I wanted tips for EVERYTHING. Guys still paid.
Guys will ALWAYS pay. Don't lower yourself because you want to fit in with the "market rate".
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volatileghost
I just got approved for gold shows too, and I'm thinking I'm going to just raise my rates again, I'm currently at 5.99pvt/6.99excl, I haven't tried out a gold show yet, and I'm a little nervous to do so, but I figure it's a good way to get traffic to your room & so for the first couple ones I'll probably only do like $3 for 6 minutes or something, then gradually raise those up to 1$/min after I've got some more of a following. I'm scared to try a gold show!! LOL.
Don't be scared! I don't like it as much as plain ol MFC. All I've tried are the $1/min type dunno... maybe that's my downfall. I just feel gross for doing any less than that but then maybe that's how top models make their goals so often. Another thing I didn't try is starting the show even though I didn't make the goal - this is something most models would never do on MFC so it boggles my mind a little hahaha!
Sometimes I just throw a gold show up when my room is dead without having any intentions of doing a show (just to get some traffic) and someone will ask for private. It's funny to me how many guys came into my room before I could do gold just begging for it and now they don't even come in/won't pledge.
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Well most of the guys that like gold shows are the cheaper ones, so I figure charging $5 for 5 minutes isnt bad, but if they're newer to me, to give them a taste the first couple times, I'll just say I'm trying out gold shows to see if I want to do them etc etc. But we'll see!
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talking of gold shows - I seem to FAIL at getting to my goal so far. But I have only done low buy-ins and low goals.
I'm thinking of doing a Fridays-inspired experiment - doing a 30-45min gold show with a MUCH higher buy in, and seeing if I can get it....I'll let you guys know if rate-raising also works for me in gold shows!!
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TheBrownFox
YES! They changed it to $5.99: exclusive and $9.99: premium for me. :)
So whenever you decide to raise your rate, you have to e-mail them, huh? You can't just use the drag-down menu and have higher options available? I can live with that. I'll just see how these rates work for me for now.
Good to know about SM allow to offer premium higher price from exclusive. I thought SM didn't allow to set premium higher from the exclusive price. How are you doing with the switch from premium higher and exclusive lower ?
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