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Camming and Escorting...Would You?
I'm a little worried I may get stoned for this but...here goes?
I’ve tried escorting before had horrible experiences because I didn‘t research,didn’t treat it like a business, got lazy with screening etc. I’ve learned a lot since then and now considering doing it again. I’m leaning towards keeping this separate from camming but I can’t decide. Part of me thinks, if a guy seriously wants to book an escort he wouldn’t peruse through camsites like MFC, SM, ImLive, etc hoping to find one who’s open to it. I can somewhat understand if it’s AW.
On the other hand, I suppose it could be possible, that hiring a cam girl instead of your average escort (for lack of a better term) would seem like a good idea to the custie. No chance of bait & switch. (Well, in my case that’s not true but I digress) I could see this as an opportunity to have even higher rates too.
My main questions are :
1. If you do both. Do you ever get legit bookings from cam custies or is it best to just keep them separate and make no mention of the other?
2. By openly doing both, in your opinion, does this makes it hard on other cam girls and escorts?
Your thoughts? I'm trying to consider all the possibilities good and bad.
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I know camgirls who also escort, and cam helps them get to know potential customers, likewise the custie gets to ask any questions beforehand. Most girls I know are at the very top end of high class and would not meet just any guy. They go through many cam sessions before meeting, so yes the two can be beneficial for one another.
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I think it would be the best way to do it if you're gonna do it. At least this way you will already know something about the person. It's much better then just going with anyone who calls you IMHO.
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My opinion is one ruins the fantasy of the other - vice versa. It wouldn't make it hard on other cam girls or escorts, but it could be harder for you.
I wouldn't faint if a client found out I was a cam-girl - as long as they don't know where to find me; this is only because they know me by my escort name and escort identity. Now if a cam client found out about the escorting that would be a problem. I'm open about camming, not about escorting, but if you're open about both, then you should try.
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Originally Posted by
Kalypso
I'm a little worried I may get stoned for this but...here goes?
See guys, this is why we need to be nicer, even a veteran member like Kalypso is worried about posting something. Admittedly, it's a hot button topic, but when veterans and valued members are worried that they'll get ripped to shreds? We can disagree and talk about disagreeing without being horrible to each other, right? :D I appreciate that it's been up over an hour now and the thread hasn't turned into a flame war.
To answer the question tho. I've met two guys from cam. One, because he seemed (after knowing him for six months on cam and him pretty much paying my rent and bills with all the regular cam sessions) like a total sweetie. He asked if I'd ever come visit. I said, pulling from things I've learned in Other Work, "Oh sweetie, I wish I could but I've got to make money." On cue he asked how much I'd have to make a day. I told him and he promised no physical contact over what we'd already done would happen. I knew I was asking for it by going up there but I went anyway.
He was a sweetie. Different than what I'd met on cam, of course you would be. I'm sure I was different than what he'd met on cam too. It was a nice little visit, obviously he did try to have sex with me. I said that I thought we'd agreed on no sex. He pretended like he was mortified with himself and he did seem chagrinned. He didn't try again and on the agreed date I went home. I didn't see him again because I knew that he'd try for more next time and I just didn't think I could do it.
The other guy was a regular I found attractive. After a few months of the usual length sessions he let something slip about the college we both went to. My dumb ass said, "Go *sports team*!" without even thinking about it. *facepalm* Of course, he was all over that. When could we meet, how would we meet, where would we meet, when, did I mention when? Not annoying, but insistent. I figured, what the hey, he's cute, I know his cock is nice, he lasts longer than about half these guys on here, I already know his cum face isn't fucking stupid.
What was fucking stupid was meeting him. He suggested meeting at a Chipotle. Should have been a red flag, right? From everything I'd seen on cam I liked him as a person so I thought maybe I could make him a regular fuck buddy thing. He was just, an idiot. He showed up and it was clear that he was super hyped to be meeting "Isobel Wren!" and he was just beside himself with glee like a little puppy about how we were GOING to have sex. It was like trying to have a conversation with a chihuahua that's intent on humping your leg. He'd seemed so nice on cam.
Fortunately I'd had my best friend do the escape call thing and "wouldn't-cha-know-it?! I just have to go HELP herrrr!" I think he knew it was a ruse, he got all quiet and said, "it was nice to meet you, anyway." (then he kissed the back of my hand, ICK!)
I avoided his, "it was me, wasn't it? I came on too strong." emails for a few weeks, never ran into him on cam again and that was that.
So. That's my personal experience.
I think that it could be a good thing but you'd have to vet guys really well and only go after the big, long time regular spenders. I wouldn't mention it on cam otherwise. LOL, maybe I'd say to the guys who are like, "let's meet" something funny like, "Oh you couldn't afford me" and see what they say. Like you said, I don't think the guys who go on cam (and complain about the cost) are likely to be the guys who would pay for an escort but there's got to be some overlap.
Someone is going to say, "but you're making it less safe for the rest of us!" That may be, but I've found that no matter what I do or say there are guys who ask for shit I don't do anyway. If you're discreet about it you'll get only the best clients for you and make sure that nobody realistically thinks they can get a blowjob for the price of a 3 minute camshow from you or anyone else.
TL: DR I met some ppl off cam. Mixed results. I think it could be done if delicately balanced.
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I don't do it but I can see how it can work out well, especially if you do well in camming and have a big fan base with devoted regulars. I know a few regs of mine who easily throw down at least a thousand or two a week just in senseless tips when im on cam, if they had the opportunity to actually meet and fuck why wouldn't they pay a little more for that. You'll be able to charge inflated prices since you're like a mini-pornstar, the more popular you are on cam, the more you can charge irl.
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The problems I could see arising from this would simply be a slew of time-wasters. If guys on cam know you escort also, most are going to want to meet up - and when you tell them you need to have multiple cam sessions with them first, a lot will whine... I can also foresee a lot of the guys who do go through with the multiple cam sessions trying to be cheap and saying that the money they spent on the cam sessions should count for their IRL meeting... Plus then you have think about how many guys who go to camsites and want to meet the models can get pretty delusional about what a meetup with a cam model really is, and thinking there's some sort of special connection... I dunno, I guess I just feel that the majority of dumbasses and time-wasters on camsites is a different demographic from the guys who would specifically seek escorts and be willing to provide proper information for screening. IMHO, I personally think it would just be less of a headache to keep a cam persona and escort persona separate.
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In response to the second part of your question, no, I don't think one cam-chica escorting makes things difficult for other cam-chicas who don't escort. Camming differs from stripping (which is an environment where chicas providing 'extras' act in direct competition to other strippers) because in camming no one customer has any idea what's going on in another cam-room. As well, camming and escorting are different acts which exist in different contexts, the two aren't mutually exclusive, and geography plays a huge role here as well-not every cam customer will be able to partake of your escort services, even if he wanted to.
In regards to the first part, I worry about any major blending of camming and escorting, only because the 'high profile' nature of camming makes you vulnerable to asshole escort customers who have access to your 'legit' employer. They know who you work for, and where to find you...that gives the guys a hell of alot of power considering that escorting is technically illegal.
Maybe long-time regs who you've you've really grown to know would be a different situation, but in general, I'd think you'd be much safer keeping the two jobs seperate. Having a potential escort client as a cam-customer doesn't mean you wouldn't have to screen him properly anyway, so I can't really see any benefit to you in blending together a cam and escort customer base.
Good luck and be safe :)
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Porn stars do it, and a cam girl is practically an internet porn star... so you should do it if you want to. Just have them pay a deposit up front or something via CCbill or Amazon e-giftcard? Or maybe guys who have spend good money on you several times? And charge an amount that makes it worth it to you.
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Originally Posted by
Kalypso
I'm a little worried I may get stoned for this but...here goes?
I’ve tried escorting before had horrible experiences because I didn‘t research,didn’t treat it like a business, got lazy with screening etc. I’ve learned a lot since then and now considering doing it again. I’m leaning towards keeping this separate from camming but I can’t decide. Part of me thinks, if a guy seriously wants to book an escort he wouldn’t peruse through camsites like MFC, SM, ImLive, etc hoping to find one who’s open to it. I can somewhat understand if it’s AW.
On the other hand, I suppose it could be possible, that hiring a cam girl instead of your average escort (for lack of a better term) would seem like a good idea to the custie. No chance of bait & switch. (Well, in my case that’s not true but I digress) I could see this as an opportunity to have even higher rates too.
My main questions are :
1. If you do both. Do you ever get legit bookings from cam custies or is it best to just keep them separate and make no mention of the other?
2. By openly doing both, in your opinion, does this makes it hard on other cam girls and escorts?
Your thoughts? I'm trying to consider all the possibilities good and bad.
I don't do both, but I'd never be judgmental of someone who did.
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I can imagine you would have to be extremely up-front that you are meeting off-cam specifically for escorting and not "just for fun". A lot of guys think they're meeting you because you hit it off and not because its a job.
And it would probably work best on a site like AW that actually has an escort directory. I can't imagine trying to book clients somewhere like MFC. *shudder*
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I would go for it... gives you a chance to see his personality a little.... see if he is pushy or cheap. I would definitely
screen and get deposits I would also only discuss meeting in private cam sessions....where no sexy stuff was going on
so the chance of the service you work for recording and releasing the show is less likely (i would think so anyway
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Originally Posted by
Aurora_Sunset
The problems I could see arising from this would simply be a slew of time-wasters. If guys on cam know you escort also, most are going to want to meet up - and when you tell them you need to have multiple cam sessions with them first, a lot will whine... I can also foresee a lot of the guys who do go through with the multiple cam sessions trying to be cheap and saying that the money they spent on the cam sessions should count for their IRL meeting... Plus then you have think about how many guys who go to camsites and want to meet the models can get pretty delusional about what a meetup with a cam model really is, and thinking there's some sort of special connection... I dunno, I guess I just feel that the majority of dumbasses and time-wasters on camsites is a different demographic from the guys who would specifically seek escorts and be willing to provide proper information for screening. IMHO, I personally think it would just be less of a headache to keep a cam persona and escort persona separate.
All excellent points! LOL, I was like "AMEN!" reading this.
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Thank you so much for your input everyone! I think I'll just leave it alone. It could get me kicked off some of the sites I'd imagine. If there was a site like AW with US traffic I'd probably be all for it. And I think you're right Aurora, some of these guys on the other sites already think we'd hit it off so great because [they think] they're oh so funny, good looking, well endowed, blah blah blah. Talking about everything but the one thing that matters- HOW MUCH THEY SPEND. Plus, what some of my cam customers think would turn me on is very scary. Giving them access to me physically is actually a nightmare when I think about it lol. Whew, glad you guys help me think that one through lol!
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When I lived in Dallas and was familiar with the SC scene there, at the beginning of my camming career, I would meet select cam customers for drinks or a date in a high end VIP section as their guest. I didn't do anything more than kiss them on the cheek, though. I let them know that camming was for sex and dates were not for sex. I don't know this area very well and nowhere quite compares to Dallas for a good safe paid date IMHO so I stopped once I moved.
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I don't see it as an issue. Don't worry about being "stoned" lol. Related note: I really hate it when sex workers (and we are all sex workers in one form or another) judge other sex workers.
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If you are looking for more information on escorting and camming, make sure you use the search function in Other Work as well! A lot of girls forget that's where cam girls used to post so there is still a TON of useful information over there as well, plus escorting info as well :)
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I think it works fine as long as you keep escorting on the down low. It's not about your safety or the misplaced wrath of other camgirls ... it's about your sanity as a camgirl! Save the offer for good regulars you like, preferably offsite. Don't discuss escorting in a public or group room.
So if camming is like opening yourself up to anyone with a credit card (but in a small, safe, virtual way), escorting is like the exact opposite: huge intimate amounts of access, but only for a select few people YOU choose. If everyone on cam felt entitled and invited to purchase sex from me, in the same way I want them to feel invited and entitled to purchase a show from me, I'd feel so icky! It's weird but that's the best way I can think to say it.
I never got called out on cam for my Eros ad or website, and I used the same name! So unless you're like super famous, stealth should be easy. Should.
I will say it's brutal getting back into camming. Escort clients are, on the whole, awesome and kind. Free chat losers would probably tell Aria Giovanni that she would make more money if she lost a couple pounds and also why won't she pee, the other girls all do it for him? I didn't come back because the money or the sex was bad, or because I hated all the champagne and designer lingerie ... oh god I'm going to go cry now.
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I started camming, did a bit of a internet porn, stripping, massage parlor, attempted phone sex on niteflirt, and escorting now I escort and cam. I keep things very seperate as much as possible on my end but the men that is a different story.
Camming customers are little differnet then escorting clients, very few of them overlap. I did have an incident of an idiot in my room claiming how he saw me as an escort and went off talking about and etc but I just blocked him and tried to ignore him. There is only other camgirl/escort/fetish girl I know who has everything on her website and she said she wished she kept everything seperate. I have kept everything seperate from doing webcamming, internet porn, escorting and the guys who post reviews on those annoying escort boards still talk about my porn site like it was yesterday. it use to annoy me because of the guys couldn't get it through their heads of what happens on a porn set is not what happens with me as an escort it took some time to get them to get it but it seems to get the message through.
having your webcamming and escorting on one website does make things a little easier for getting those affiliate sales. and it can make for interesting conversation with some escort clients. but at the end of the day it comes down to you making money and you having multiple sources of income look now at how many well named porn stars who litterally do it all.
When your escorting it comes down to how you screen before you see a client, and with webcamming there isn't really screening because they are contacting you via the website your on and you keep your webcam chat conversation based on getting private shows and what they want to see in that private show. while for being an escort you create a different indentity even if they may see you as a webcam model they probably won't talk about it with you because they have another fantasy of you to keep wanting to see you.
I don't think it makes it harder on other girls cam or escorts because each girl operates the way they want to. So it really boils down to how you want to operate your business and what keep you safe and happy at night.
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I would guess that the average cam customer, even some of the "good" ones wouldn't be able to afford escort prices. Handjobs from crackheads maybe, but not an hour with a beautiful and classy woman. I mean, even my best customers don't spend more than a few hundred on me over the course of a month (admittedly, I don't have any really big spenders).
Mila Milan (love her!) is open about being an escort but she pretty much says up front, "You probably couldn't afford me."
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I keep it seperate...well as one lady said above, I keep my escorting private from cam, but I dont keep my cam private from escorting.. On my local board, Ive mentioned a few times that i do cam, and its come up in general discussion, but not a single guy is interested in seeing me on cam, they can see me in person. And vice versa, guys who see me on cam would not want to see me in person...okay, they think they do, but they dont. Meaning..cam is about the fantasy...I can be any and everything for the 5, 10, 30m they are paying me, and once Im done, I shut my feed off and hes gone *whew!* but if I met the guy, the fantasy that has been created is broken and I would not be nearly as interesting.
Anyway, I personally just prefer it that cam guys dont know I escort. But I wouldnt hold it against someone who did combine the two... I would just be interested to know how one helps the other though, because like I said, the guys who are into escorts, are less than interested in watching her on cam. There are a handful of us who are cam girls on my local board, and the guys truly could care less about that aspect of what we do. Cam guys would be the most interested Im sure, since it opens up the whole fantasy of being able to meet and shag a cam girl, but most of what makes that so exciting to them is knowing most cam girls would never actually meet them..its the wanting what they cant have mentality. Once they have it...the whole fantasty and fun in it is gone.
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I spend some time in Other Work. The other threads I skimmed through seemed to focus on branding but didn't really talk about first hand experience with customer overlap or the effect on other camgirls. To be fair, I could have missed it. I'll try not to be so lazy with my search next time:)
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Charlotteslut
I don't see it as an issue. Don't worry about being "stoned" lol. Related note: I really hate it when sex workers (and we are all sex workers in one form or another) judge other sex workers.
I agree 100% We should stick together but I do see snarky comments sometimes.
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